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« Reply #420 on: April 20, 2008, 09:47:41 PM »

The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?
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« Reply #421 on: April 20, 2008, 10:10:20 PM »

The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?

I am not so sure that Shango called the name sloot or meant the goat as other than a goat.  There has been so many trying to translate the shango sayings they left some of their own in there.  j/b
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« Reply #422 on: April 20, 2008, 10:12:55 PM »

The lamb is scared
The fires are lit
But now the lamb is a (scape)goat


Shango:
who heeded his call? who switched places?

I am not so sure that Shango called the name sloot or meant the goat as other than a goat.  There has been so many trying to translate the shango sayings they left some of their own in there.  j/b


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
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« Reply #423 on: April 20, 2008, 10:26:02 PM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat? 

If anyone has been a sacrifice here it seems NH is.  She has been the scapegoat of their smear campaign and of the disinformation campaign. 
Lamb der sloot would mean lamb of sloot (if in fact this was said by the real shango.  Could there have been a ritualistic "mirrage" and the lamb was now a goat (or deflowered?)  Just a thought.  jackb.
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« Reply #424 on: April 20, 2008, 10:34:24 PM »

CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg








Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.


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« Reply #425 on: April 20, 2008, 10:50:57 PM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat? 

If anyone has been a sacrifice here it seems NH is.  She has been the scapegoat of their smear campaign and of the disinformation campaign. 
Lamb der sloot would mean lamb of sloot (if in fact this was said by the real shango.  Could there have been a ritualistic "mirrage" and the lamb was now a goat (or deflowered?)  Just a thought.  jackb.

The above was just a thought.  Most likely PVs switched places with Joran and did the final disposal with help from connections, etc.  This is such a mess and like I said before.  If they were 100 percent certain and had ( and did possibly have) the evidence.  They would not prosecute because Pvs has so much dirt on the ones covering this up.  Jackb
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« Reply #426 on: April 20, 2008, 11:00:44 PM »

CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg



Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
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SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
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« Reply #427 on: April 20, 2008, 11:17:37 PM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat? 




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Thank you for the Shango quote.  I think I'm off track with Satish.  Joran still does not seem like a bleating lamb....he's too hard core.  But maybe one of Joran's brothers..
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« Reply #428 on: April 20, 2008, 11:50:01 PM »

I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.

An interesting concept, indeed...

I have mentioned many times in the past that this entire scandal reminds me of the the Tom Cruise movie, "Eyes Wide Shut" in fact -- In fact it is very eerie if real... Perhaps someone should check to see if the movie's Direcctor/Producer has ever had any ties to Aruba -- perhaps the movie is inspired by the reality of an underworld in Aruba...
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« Reply #430 on: April 21, 2008, 12:40:38 AM »

Pita,

Is that information for the Apartment or the hotel?


Caps,

how does the Atlantis apartments fit into the witness?

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« Reply #431 on: April 21, 2008, 04:40:13 AM »


Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

again: context/context/context

sim's "oh my god" was no biggie/was in reference to:

Jake on June 23rd, 2005 2:49 pm
Greta is on Fox news, and she is saying that just because he was taken in DOES NOT mean he is being charged. It might just be for more questioning. Any thoughts?


and followed by:

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???


sim's "oh my god" was said in disgust re Greta's reporting skills,
not in amazement/whatever re latest developments that day

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digging in my heels on this one:

there were at least two factions inside ALE,
one corrupt/one ethical

one faction said: yup, SGs are the perps ...
the other faction said: bah! J/K2 are FOS/SGs are patsies

so, depending on which faction was "feeding" simian ...
the SGs were never truly considered to be suspects
and therefore shouldn't be among those counted

the count begins w/ J/K2

also, depending on which ALE faction was feeding sim:
"unofficial" suspects" may never have reached "official" detainment status

they set off hinky meters among some in ALE/they were viewed as suspects
but they may not have been detained/arrested




Finngirl…Some of us are at an extreme disadvantage as we weren’t around the forums in the early days. Makes for a lot of catching up. But I do agree with you and Lala’s ‘in context’!

Thanks for digging in the heels.

Thanks
everyone for some really great posts the last few days and really good insight into Shango, Simian and Mirian by our veteran posters.

I guess I had always thought that Simian was legit when he/she was posting early and something happened and changed the entire context of the posts. Now I will have to look at the posts in a whole new light.

I am curious as to the two posts on 6/17 by Simian. Now, what to think of Mirian’s posts? The famous pic? Mirian’s posts about this were mid-July, was there discussion about these posts at the time? Where did Mirian post? Are any of these posts, in context, still around? Did anyone here post with Mirian?

Where does this leave me with Freddy? Not sure? But for sure he was inserted into this case big time, in all the PVs. (If you want to know that, you will have to ask Freddy!)

And then there is Guido – the intern? We know he was an intern at the Racquet Club, is this the same Guido at 19 was an intern at the Holiday Inn? Did Simian ‘know’ he was a suspect early on? Something a little wrong with his arrest almost a year later, and the rumors that surrounded it. No scratches for Guido, a supposed other arrest in the Netherlands that didn’t happen! What about the 24 year old croupier?

GVC’s press statement in early May that he and his Dad threatened to sue Aruba for false detainment? He was still in Aruba in April, looks like that family made a quick exit! He was supposedly questioned earlier, along with his Dad.The arrest of 6/11, that didn’t happen? Lorenzo and Max Arendz on 6/16? Was Freddy a suspect?

Lots to think about. Thanks again everyone, some really great thought provoking posts!






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« Reply #432 on: April 21, 2008, 05:36:51 AM »

I've always believed Paulus was the fifth suspect. Not because Colombo says so, because that is my own belief and has been for almost three years. This whole case is about Paulus.

I also believe Grande is 100% correct and Clyde Burke is Simian. He got pinged by Grande and he had to know at some point his identity would be discovered. I also believe this one area was a mistake by Simian. After-all, Shango said he was an Australopithecus (IIRC) meaning he was a lower form of primate and one not as evolved as Shango.

I believe Simain was mistaken, and got it wrong. I also find the motivation to insulate Paulus motivates Simian. There was no need to have a Simian until Paulus got placed on the radar. No Simian for Joran on 6-9-2005, no Simian for the Kalpoes on 6-10-2005...

When Paulus gets hauled in - magic, supernatural powers and illusions.

Simian may not have had it wrong after-all (now thinking about it) but simply shaped shifted Paulus' true identity to insulate him further.

all just my opinion.

interesting observation.....to that point-who's he talking to?  :

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:05 pm
If you were asleep who answered your phone?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Valentijn??? and that was why Paulus had to begin a new line of alibi. He could have had to bring the kids in because he was on the record stating he slept through the nite. He had to say someone answered the phone. Could this be what is on the missing pages from his PV?

"the next day your son was picked up"

does this refer to the day after the disappearance?


COLUMBO…The picture becomes a lot clearer when you post this way…LOL

For Rob…6/18 -  Zeollas? 6/23 – Charles Croes…IMO

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

Paulus 6/18 PV
The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...

PAGE OR PAGES MISSING

...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of  “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.

Paulus 6/23 PV
A woman with long black hair was continuously talking on her mobile phone. I understood that she was informing the news media in the US to the fact that a girl had gone missing. I briefly talked to Charles CROES who had been driving the mother of the missing girl. He said that he didn't need to know anything more from Joran. He said that he had looked into Joran's eyes and understood from that

HERE THERE IS A SECTION MISSING

moment we got into the police car after I had shook every ones hands, all except the long black haired woman who was still on the phone. WILLIAMS told me that I should count on the fact they they would want to talk to Joran again. The mother of the girl by that time had already left. At least I did not see her anymore. We were dropped off home by the officers. It was starting to get light.

From Deepak PV…6/13
To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.

I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following.

Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

Satish 6/30
On your question if Joran can drive a car, I can explain to you the following:
I am certain that Joran can drive a car. Joran has in the month of March 2005, driven my mother’s car. Joran drove the car on that day from the parking place at the Marriott hotel to my house in Hooiberg. Then Joran was the only one in the car and he was drunk. (see note below)

On your question if Joran drove the car of its parents, I can explain to you the following:
I have never seen Joran drive the cars of his parents. You must ask Freddy if Joran drove the cars of his parents. The parents of Joran have two cars and they are a dark blue "Hyundai" jeep and a red car of which I now no longer remember what kind.


On your question if I know the name of Joran’s second brother, I can only give you the following answers:
Joran has two (2) younger brothers but I don’t know their names.  I think that Joran’s brother is fifteen (15) years old.

On your question if the fifteen-year-old brother of Joran can drive a car, I cannot answer that question.

On your question who can tell the truth to you, with the exception of Joran, Deepak and I, I can tell you the following:
Freddy is the person Joran confides in and he can tell you the truth.

On your question how often Joran has driven my mother’s car, I will explain the following:
Joran has only driven my mother’s car (1) time. I can say to you that I saw he did it well. I’m not aware of how Joran learned to drive a car.


http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm

Joran’s 6/10/2005 PV
To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euros from my father, and also took money from my mother. And I used my brother's mobile phone without asking for permission, and after that I broke the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is 15 years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to. 
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« Reply #433 on: April 21, 2008, 05:40:44 AM »

This was posted on NAH last night and I noticed how closely this mimicked something I am all to familiar with after 3 years.  I don't know when the articles were posted in the newspapers, but it did catch my eye.  I will just leave it for everyone to decide for themselves what they think. Thanks to VMS for posting this!



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Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch




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June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.
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Lala’s……this post appears to be from June 10th., which is very interesting. Also on the same FP one from Gabe Leo. Hmmmm!!!
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« Reply #434 on: April 21, 2008, 06:06:17 AM »

I think that CAPS was trying to show us that there is a group of people who have poker parties with pornography at three places - Brickell Bay, White House, and Matty's Apartments.  Steve Croes seemed to be the organizer and the person in charge of invitations.  Guido was the dealer of the cards.  Julia is involved and so is Paulus.  They played poker and there were videos made in the next room where the adult men had their fun with prostitutes, young girls, or tourists.  I think from what we found, this is still going on in some of those locations.  I don't think CAPS was describing a big party.  I think he was describing something fairly small and quiet because it's illegal.  With Steve Croes in charge, he had an alibi because others were there with him at his poker party.  Rudy Croes and ALE weren't going to challenge his alibi because....
a. Steve is somehow related to Rudy
b. Julia, Briezen, Paulus, and a few others were there as well as young Sloot and friends.
c. Rudy and ALE know about the porn/poker parties, but they don't do anything.
d. I think it sounds like ALE passed it all off as a private poker party where Steve Croes had an alibi.
e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


SS….Thanks...Enjoyed your post, but it appears we are on opposite sides of the fence on this one!

JMHO

1.Caps has yet to explain how he switched to the Matty Apartments, after he clearly posted and mapped a different apartment complex in an earlier post. When I asked about the Lion’s Den before, Caps told me NO! Hmmm!

2.Still have not seen anything to prove that Steve is related to Rudy, and IIRC in Caps’ last post on Rudy and Hendrick he did not even have them as brothers! That being said…everyone on Aruba is related somewhere down the line.  I do not see Steve as an organizer here…and if he was one of ‘the Croes’ I can’t see them throwing him under the bus and him spending time in jail

3.Guido…see my earlier post to Finngirl.

4.Julia – Still haven’t worked out where Caps came up with The News waaaayyy back in the first thread, but I don’t believe she was there. Have some thoughts on Julia and her letter from Mos, but need to think it through a little more.

5.Not sure how Caps came up with Briezon, would not be surprised after the pics we’ve seen, but just not sure he was there that night.

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e. Supposedly these parties have gone on like this for a long time.  Boys bring the girls to the older men.


This would take us back to the Loesge and Aristotle posts, which I think are a definite possibility.



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« Reply #435 on: April 21, 2008, 06:30:57 AM »

CAPS,

TELL US ABOUT
Atlantis Apartment complex 1/2 mile from Racquet Club





Atlantis Apartments
Drielstraat 6-8, Willemstad
Curaçao, Netherlands Antilles
Tel: (5999) – 465 8288
Mob: (5999) – 510 3099
Fax: (5999) – 461 2535
http://www.atlantisapartments.net/images/detailmap-app-web.jpg



Valentijn went to school with Jimmy Rock. Michael Rock is Jimmy Rocks dad. He was the manager
of the Marriott Hotel who transferred to Mexico right after Natalee went missing.




ATLANTIS HOTEL 
 
Business address SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ARUBA ENTIDAD DE VIVIENDA N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  15 AUGUST 1979 
     
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
DUARTE VICTORIA, SERGIO HUGO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 19 APRIL 1953 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE BARRIOS, LUCILA; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 215, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  COLOMBIA, BUCARAMANGA on 18 OCTOBER 1948 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
DUARTE ESPINOLA, CARLOS LORENZO; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 51, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  VENEZUELA, CARACAS on 17 JUNE 1964 
Nationality  VENEZUELAN 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SJAK-SHIE, ERROL LIONEL; 
Residing in  SAN BARBOLA 177, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  NETHERLANDS ANTILLES, CURACAO on 24 MAY 1952 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  19 APRIL 1993 
   



Kermit keeps leading me back to the Racquet Club....

I could not find anything on Michael Rock at the Marriott?

http://www.amararesort.com/about-amara/general-manager/
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« Reply #436 on: April 21, 2008, 06:45:17 AM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot
I'm just going to throw this out there...Colombo are You meaning Sabastian Van Der Sloot was the lamb and Joran is the goat? 




quoting Puzzler:
"Interesting thought that Joran is NOT the "lamb".  I don't see him as a lamb either.  But it's so easy to assume he's the lamb.  Joran is seriously psychologically changelled...it doesn't seem like his personality is the type to run bleating...and "whatever" Paulus has on others, it's kept both Joran and Paulus out of jail, even after all this time.  Could it have been Satish?"


quoting Shango:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Prepare the fires.
We need a sacrifice
A babylonian beast. Young Lamb der Sloot


Thank you for the Shango quote.  I think I'm off track with Satish.  Joran still does not seem like a bleating lamb....he's too hard core.  But maybe one of Joran's brothers..




Hi Puzzler…Val is the one I am suspicious of as Paulus mainly mentions Sebastian, and IIRC, the cell phone that was found just recently belonged to Val, according to Anita. I wonder just when Joran broke the chip in Val’s phone. Paulus and Anita shipped both Val and Sebastian of to the States around June 15th, the day of the search and as I understand it, before the search.

I have been meaning to post this for a while, and I need to find the post…LOL…I saved it, so it is on my computer somewhere!

Not sure if it was Scuba, Glenda/Bondia that replied to a post about ‘pimps’ of all ages in a certain pic. Whom ever it was, replied that it was normal for peeps from young teens to men of 28 to 30 to hang out together.

My immediate thoughts on the post, at the time, were Val, Sander and the likes of Max Arendz and Lorenzo.
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« Reply #437 on: April 21, 2008, 07:24:18 AM »

Pita,

Is that information for the Apartment or the hotel?


Caps,

how does the Atlantis apartments fit into the witness?



Kermit, the hotel in Aruba located in Noord.  I just noticed you were asking for info on the apartments in Curacao.   
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« Reply #438 on: April 21, 2008, 07:29:58 AM »

Hi Mum,

Thanks for the quotes above. Ya know, it's probably true that Valentijn and Sebastian were on Aruba then and Widget the Midget had it wrong. It really makes me shake my head and wonder what the heck Anita was thinking leaving her kids on Aruba alone if Paulus was in fact with her. It's probable that Sebastian was at the Zeolla's, but where was Valentijn? I have seen no accounts of where he stayed and cringe at the fact that the Sloots could have left Joran and Valentijn alone. That's a frightening thought. I would image that JQK and the KLPD have certainly ascertained the exact whereabouts of Paulus and Valentijn. So, the ALE / KLPD must consider Valentijn a possible candidate to have driven the car or they would not have asked about him. He must have passed the test to established him actually being on Aruba.

From the above quotes, it's apparent why the Sloot's cars were confiscated. But at this time I have no idea and apparently either do they, who drove one or both of the cars. Could have been Paulus, Joran or Valentijn. Anyone drive a car. We all were kids once and saw our parents go through the steps to drive a car. Now, a kid might not have the experience to drive the car well, but knows the steps to get it all going.

My grandfather was driving at age 11 in a model something or other that had a "K" shift. He used to love to tell that story. Back in those days I don't think you needed a driver's license, just a car.

I guess it's also possible that the Sloots put the maid in charge even though she worked part time. Just seems irresponsible, but that's the Sloots for ya, so it "could" make sense.

With Valentijn's questioning at the end of last year, I would say he would NOW be a suspicious character, but not necessarily a suspect. His whereabouts need to be clarified in my opinion. Anyone else?

So, someone drove one or both of the car judging by the line of questioning, but who? Instead of two potentials, you would now have three and adding another player just makes the water more murky.

Just to note, we would now have another Sloot without any time-line. Paulus and Valentijn.

I wonder what happens to the Shango riddle when you insert Valentijn in areas overlooked before?
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« Reply #439 on: April 21, 2008, 07:33:12 AM »

Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland
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