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« Reply #440 on: April 21, 2008, 08:52:38 AM »

Atlantis Apartments N.V.
Drielstraat 8 
Curaçao
Netherlands Antilles

Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

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Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Good Morning Pita...I am not sure what Kermit was asking about as he said a half mile from the Racquet Club and I assumed Aruba...maybe I need more coffee!
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« Reply #441 on: April 21, 2008, 09:14:58 AM »

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Date of incorporation June 3, 2005

Directors

Ingrid Anastasia Van Den Bosch
Jan Gerard Moerland


Good Morning Pita...I am not sure what Kermit was asking about as he said a half mile from the Racquet Club and I assumed Aruba...maybe I need more coffee!

Me neither, that's why I originally posted the info for the Atlantis Hotel in Noord.  That one is near the Racquet Club.   
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« Reply #442 on: April 21, 2008, 09:39:55 AM »

Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.

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« Reply #443 on: April 21, 2008, 09:53:49 AM »

The idea to call in Deep Sea Divers was suggested to Aruba's PM by Mr. Miller of the Texas Equusearch.

There's a container that seems to be holding what looks like a body that was detected by the sonar equipment.

Besides that, did you know that the persons who abducted and killed Mr. Miller's daughter were never found, never brought to justice?
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 08:54 AM



mc:

Prostitution is regulated and controlled by the Government. Girls are checked every week by doctors and need to test every week. They are only allowed to practice for 3 months. They are always free to leave before those 3 months and are guaranteed that right.

Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Arubans are also disgusted with drugs being sold on the beaches. However, half of the problem is that tourists demand it. Regretfuly, if there is a demand than someone will provide.

Suspected corruption. By whom?

Money laundering. There are all sorts of treaties and special task forces and joint efforts with US and The Netherlands to fight that. All of it being paid Aruban taxes. Any Aruban who makes a deposit of a little more than AWG. 20,000.00 (a little more than US$ 10,000.00 needs to fill out a form declaring the source of funds. That is standard procedure in all banks. All this information is than gathered and shared with oiur nice partners in the US and Europe when they need it.

Underage drinking? There is no underage drinking. At 16 you can buy a beer and cigarettes. It is not underage! Those are OUR laws. If someone were to be 15 in Aruba and order a beer, THAT would be underage. A bar/café/restaurant/nightclub can decide on their own if they are going to have a minimum age or not as long as it is not under 15. They might decide to make it 18.

If you are 18 you can vote and you are obligated to enlist for the Dutch Marines. If you can decide the fate of your country and be asked to die for it...you should be able to order a beer and smoke a cigarette.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM



Jen:

I completely agree.

Although it is very sad that someone is missed by their loved ones. It is still very true that the Dutch, European and Caribbean, are questioning whether the same will be done for their children.

There's a certain tone of ingratitude from the part of the victims. That is what Arubans feel. They also question the investigation and what not. What they do not question is that the island has done all that it can and has allowed all American agencies to assist.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 10:23 AM



Hopefloats:

Is has to be about money. That is why FOX and CNN are exploiting this. That is why Greta is doing her show from Aruba. It is not a public service. They are selling ads. They test audiences. Would you rather hear the story about the war in Iraq or the story of a mystery in an island Paradise?

To make it more interesting the news networks will strectch the truth as far as it can go. It is not that Arubans do not know that. Community and business leaders in Aruba are educated in the US and Europe, so it is not that we do not know how things fucntion in other societies. All of them are in awe of the twisting of truths that cable news is giving to not only the case, but also the island's reputation. On the other hand the NBC, CBS and ABC have been reporting in a completely different tone.

If Aruba were so low and dirty. How come so many American multi-nationals are established on the island? How come the US Immigration and Customs has one of the largest pre-clearance installations outside of the US borders? How come the US is building a major Forward Operating Location for their miliraty operations?

There is no anti-American sentiment on the island. Americans have been investing and have been part of Aruba fabric of society since 1929. The one person who shouted "Americans go home!" during the protest was an American lady herself who has been living on the island for many years.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 10:36 AM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/tn_search_team_.html
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« Reply #444 on: April 21, 2008, 09:57:17 AM »

Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Good Morning vms...Thanks...I will try and find some threads here first!

Found this and just had to post, even if it is not what Kermit wanted...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1454903/posts

To: Froufrou
There is a common element between the "Old Hotel", The Atlantis that Equusearch searched yesterday: it's Owner
and the Owner of the"old Hilton" Wyndham:*Alfonso Riverol*

Appears that Riverol might be bankrolling the Atlantis' Owner,
among other things:

Also Beth, Jug & Equusearch were all staying at the Wyndham (FWIW)

EquuSearch; Dog Teams & Searchers Go To the Atlantis
August 1st, 2005
EquuSearch was notified this morning of a potential place of interest located in the area known as ****the old Atlantis Hotel****. The Atlantis is basically an old run down hotel and abandoned for at least 15 years. Three dog teams searched the many buildings and underground pool areas of the area.
Other camera equipment was brought in as well to search the more difficult to get to places.After about two hours of dealing with the dangerous environment, wasps and bats the searchonly found a plastic bag with a dead animal in it.



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Diario Diamars, 12 Juli, 2005
(Jossy Mansuers Newspaper)
FRODIGAL SON. Sergio Duarte is back on the island. Fifteen years ago when ****Atlantis Hotel*** was conceived and built by the Duarte family Sergio lived here and had a good time, chasing chicks, waterskiing, night-clubbing. Later the project got into trouble, fell into a state of despair, and was quagmired in the courts. Over the years a number of personal and business losses – Sergio’s beautiful sister lost her life in a tragic car accident at the then dangerous airport junction – humbled and quieted the man. He is today happily married raising two beautiful boys and hoping to return to Aruba and revive Atlantis. The trouble, he says is over, the government has been paid and most issues settled. I bumped into Sergio at Lounge Rouge, Texas de Brazil, accompanying business man ****Alfonso Riverol**** and a pair of glamorous women. Some things don’t change . . .

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COMPANY: ARUBA HOTEL ENTERPRISES N.V. ****WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT
CONTACT:
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Alfonso Riverol
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TITLE: President
PHONE: 297-586-4466 ext:3800
FAX: +297-586-4987
EMAIL: alrivest@aol.com
WEBSITE:
ADDRESS: J.E. Irausquin Blvd. #77 Palm Beach ARUBA



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« Reply #445 on: April 21, 2008, 10:03:00 AM »

Natalee was an adult. She can serve in the militay, she can vote. She should be able to have a drink. She is responsible for her own actions. Mother's will love their children, but at some point they have to let them into the world.

I resent the comment that Aruba has some sort of legal system that is beneath the American one. That is just ignorance.

Aruba like any other nightclub in Miami caters to the needs of tourists. It is not like Aruba invented it. As a matter of fact Aruba used to cater to specifically to the Tri-State area and usually to 40 and over couples.
Posted by: Merian Ernest | Monday, July 11, 2005 at 11:07 AM

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« Reply #446 on: April 21, 2008, 10:40:31 AM »

Vms...sorry I got called away...Thank you so much...I don't think I have ever read around that time at RWV! Read the early threads and then just picked specific dates depending on what I was looking for...once again Thanks!

 
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« Reply #447 on: April 21, 2008, 12:05:21 PM »

From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


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« Reply #448 on: April 21, 2008, 01:01:16 PM »

Hi Mum,

Thanks for the quotes above. Ya know, it's probably true that Valentijn and Sebastian were on Aruba then and Widget the Midget had it wrong. It really makes me shake my head and wonder what the heck Anita was thinking leaving her kids on Aruba alone if Paulus was in fact with her. It's probable that Sebastian was at the Zeolla's, but where was Valentijn? I have seen no accounts of where he stayed and cringe at the fact that the Sloots could have left Joran and Valentijn alone. That's a frightening thought. I would image that JQK and the KLPD have certainly ascertained the exact whereabouts of Paulus and Valentijn. So, the ALE / KLPD must consider Valentijn a possible candidate to have driven the car or they would not have asked about him. He must have passed the test to established him actually being on Aruba.

From the above quotes, it's apparent why the Sloot's cars were confiscated. But at this time I have no idea and apparently either do they, who drove one or both of the cars. Could have been Paulus, Joran or Valentijn. Anyone drive a car. We all were kids once and saw our parents go through the steps to drive a car. Now, a kid might not have the experience to drive the car well, but knows the steps to get it all going.

My grandfather was driving at age 11 in a model something or other that had a "K" shift. He used to love to tell that story. Back in those days I don't think you needed a driver's license, just a car.

I guess it's also possible that the Sloots put the maid in charge even though she worked part time. Just seems irresponsible, but that's the Sloots for ya, so it "could" make sense.

With Valentijn's questioning at the end of last year, I would say he would NOW be a suspicious character, but not necessarily a suspect. His whereabouts need to be clarified in my opinion. Anyone else?

So, someone drove one or both of the car judging by the line of questioning, but who? Instead of two potentials, you would now have three and adding another player just makes the water more murky.

Just to note, we would now have another Sloot without any time-line. Paulus and Valentijn.

I wonder what happens to the Shango riddle when you insert Valentijn in areas overlooked before?


Lots of questions about this Rob….Here’s some of mine…LOL…may want to take some Tylenol!

I don’t know if Anita would have pulled the kids out of school. Joran said the entire family went to the Netherlands every other summer. If they all went the year before, then it would make sense for Anita to go alone.

And I mean alone…Paulus had just got back from there. I don’t believe he went.

The maid…Joran said in one of the PVs that she was there I think on the Monday after school when he got home. Well whatever day it was, it was not a day she put down as working the afternoon in her PV. So either Joran didn’t go to school and saw her in the morning that day, or she was there all day, or at least until Paulus got home.

Interesting that she was interviewed for the third time on August 11th. and that is around the time the ‘sleepover’ alibi story was beginning to be posted about. First it was little Max(Arends) and then Freddy Zedan-Arambatzis (aka Arends)!

And then…there is the ‘other car’ … the grey one (Toyota?) at the back of Freddy’s house, that doesn’t even have to be Freddy’s just because a pic was taken with it there – that looks a lot like the one that Paulus? was driving in the Arubabay videos. Early rumors when Freddy was arrested were that it was because of  the car! Coincidently Freddy was questioned the same day as a woman about a grey Toyota and she showed a location.

Lots of questions…sorry answers in the PVs about who drove what type of vehicle…never did see what Freddy drove!

Got to go back and read a whole lot with a different perspective, take a look at Val and a good look at His Lordship!
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« Reply #449 on: April 21, 2008, 01:06:35 PM »

From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
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Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf
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« Reply #450 on: April 21, 2008, 01:49:24 PM »

From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
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Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Thanks Hotping...had some of that saved in my notes that he was the money laundering expert! Will have to check later and see if it the same document and read it all.
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« Reply #451 on: April 21, 2008, 01:57:16 PM »

Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA
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« Reply #452 on: April 21, 2008, 01:58:39 PM »

From what vms just posted above from Mirian….Do we know anything about this special agency….I would like to know just who those regulators are….Had never thought about this before.


Posted by: Merian Ernest | Friday, July 08, 2005 at 09:58 AM
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Gambling is regulated by a special agency and most Casinos are operated by US companies. Not any different than Las Vegas or Atlantic City. Tourists demand for gambling as part of their vacationing. We host just under a million tourist a year. Most of our infrastructure is based to accomodate what American multi-national hotel chains ask for.

Very Interesting Article at this link about Casino Gambling regulation Rick Smid is involved

http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf


Thanks Hotping...had some of that saved in my notes that he was the money laundering expert! Will have to check later and see if it the same document and read it all.

Such a convenient way to circumvent the law. 
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« Reply #453 on: April 21, 2008, 02:18:13 PM »

Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.
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« Reply #454 on: April 21, 2008, 02:36:51 PM »

Those posts are from RWV.  Both Klaas and I have been trying to find even one post that is here on this forum, archives or FP for a while now.
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« Reply #455 on: April 21, 2008, 02:40:35 PM »

Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.

IIRC, Merian began posting here, in the forum, in July, '05. The first post I remember was posted in the thread some front pagers created. Not on the front page of SM but in a thread some members created just after SM opend the forum for us. I can't remember exactly what the name of that thread was named now > Front page something. Merian then moved to the codetalker's area of the forum...

Not sure if I am making sense at all. 

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« Reply #456 on: April 21, 2008, 02:52:35 PM »

Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

JE posted some of Merian's from July, 13, 2005 here back in March:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.60

Those archives are not available, as far as I can tell, but I cannot be certain.  Not sure if Merian posted on the FP at this point.  VMS may know better.

IIRC, Merian began posting here, in the forum, in July, '05. The first post I remember was posted in the thread some front pagers created. Not on the front page of SM but in a thread some members created just after SM opend the forum for us. I can't remember exactly what the name of that thread was named now > Front page something. Merian then moved to the codetalker's area of the forum...

Not sure if I am making sense at all. 



Archives from July, 05 until sometime in 2006 are gone....that's what I was trying to say, earlier.  I know some comments are also missing on the FP, because at one point on this new format, I asked Dugga (don't remember the specifics, now) and he confirmed that was the case. 
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« Reply #457 on: April 21, 2008, 03:00:46 PM »

Good morning Mum,

Merian posted here at SM and a few times at RWV also.



Do you know what dates Merian posted here at SM? Do you have those posts? Klaas said that as far as she could determine Merian never posted here.  That would be nice to find those posts so Klaas could determine if they were indeed from the same IP as Simian and end a lot of speculation on everyone's part.  TIA

Klass has some posted here.
I don't know Anything about them.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=223.0
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« Reply #458 on: April 21, 2008, 03:08:56 PM »

The Merian posts everyone has are the same ones from RWV.  Klaas has told me that she can not find any that were posted originally here on Scared Monkeys.  All she has found are from RWV and she does not have the ability to check the IP addy on any of those posts.  The only thing she can check would be the email addresses.  That is why it's important to find those that were posted here if any were at all. I have looked all over trying to find just one post from Merian Ernest in this forum...I have never found one..that is why it caught my attention.
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« Reply #459 on: April 21, 2008, 03:13:11 PM »

That last post may not have made any sense...sorry.  What I am trying to say is what is needed is a post made for the first time by Merian at SM.  The code talkers brought those posts over as I have been told...doesn't mean it's correct..was told that by someone that was there at the time.  The only posts we have that were made are from what was posted by Merian at RWV and moved here when they created the code talkers thread.  I too, always thought that I had read posts by Merian that were original to this forum..but I have been told that is not the case.
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