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« Reply #540 on: April 22, 2008, 08:06:08 AM »

Lala's...was this the one?

« Reply #663 on: January 01, 2008, 07:15:39 PM » 

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This post has been bothering me ever since I started reading here and when Rembrandt was mentioned this week on the other thread, I decided to revisit it.
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Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.
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If you search Rembrandt and florin and coin, you'll get lots of hits, but I don't think this one has anything to do with Lorenzo. On the back of all the coins I looked at I found the coat of arms.

From Wiki:

The Coat of Arms of Aruba was originally designed in Amsterdam in 1955. Since then it has been in use as the national symbol of Aruba. There are seven main elements to the symbol:

The lion at the top of the crest symbolizes power.
A white cross on the crest that also serves to divide the crest into four quadrants is representative of devotion to faith.
Below the crest is a pair of laurel leaves, traditional symbols of peace.
The upper right quadrant of the crest depicts Hooiberg, the most recognizable hill of Aruba, and the second highest hill as well.
Below it, in the lower right quadrant a wheel represents industry.
In the upper left quadrant is an aloe plant, aloe being a source of income for the island, and its first important export.

Finally, the lower left quadrant depicts hands shaking, symbolic of Aruba's good relations with the world.


So who runs the show? The lions, the industry-tourism, hotels or the owner of the aloe plant.( I thought I read a long time ago that this was a relative of Posner).

OK...I know now that is a different Posner....


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« Reply #541 on: April 22, 2008, 08:10:44 AM »



Good Morning Pita....I am always suspicious of any interviews that Jacobs did!
That is the statement I was referring to in my post to Rob. Thanks!

Now...back to page 25, again to try and work out what all the posts through this page mean!...Maybe vms will ve up early and put it in really simple terms for me...



Good morning, Mum.

I'm trying to connect dots.  Laughing



If you go here and click on Merian Ernest's name, you will see his email address.


Then I found this:





Which led to Armin Solognier & Samir Daou.

Does that make sense?





Good morning vms...Thanks...yes...and now a little help with the obit, if you don't mind!...LOL

 
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« Reply #542 on: April 22, 2008, 08:18:48 AM »

Ok, I'm not sure how or if it fits, just throwing it all out there...

Go here and check the listing (address) for Solognier Armindo E.

Then go here and compare to SOLOGNIER ARMIN EMORY.

When I found the variation on the name, I searched it and found the obit which included the Rufo Solognier name.
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« Reply #543 on: April 22, 2008, 08:27:08 AM »

Not sure how it fits because I found something here (pdf file, page 46) for Sr. Armindo Solognier.
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« Reply #544 on: April 22, 2008, 08:58:32 AM »



So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 
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« Reply #545 on: April 22, 2008, 09:01:36 AM »

LOL...not sure how that all will help as I think Steve's aunt was Rufo's wife and she was the sister to Steve's mom!

Think I'll make more coffee...
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« Reply #546 on: April 22, 2008, 09:22:36 AM »


which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  Wink



Could it be that he changed his name?

 Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .


http://tinyurl.com/4dugq7
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« Reply #547 on: April 22, 2008, 09:37:28 AM »

Gordo Enmisión and Merian both referred to the god with the misspelled name.
IMO, it meant Shango.
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« Reply #548 on: April 22, 2008, 09:38:41 AM »


I'll go so far as to say that
Satish may not be part of the "official" suspect count

he was part of the lineup that night
but may have been viewed by the ethical ALE faction
as nothing more than a tag-along

perhaps the count begins w/ J/K2 = 2 (rather than 3)




And this we agree...the 'official' suspect that is...I am not even convinced he was there - in the same car at least...no way long legged Joran sat in the back with Satish in the front.

If Satish was never there, where would that put all the computer messages that night...he would be the one on the computer...just thinking out loud!
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« Reply #549 on: April 22, 2008, 09:58:53 AM »

Kermit...of course...two Michael rocks...LOL

Found this...

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/backissues/newsletter22.html

News Briefs for March 1-31, 1999
Aruba news snippets
·   The Dutch Marines will be holding their "Enemy Quest 1999" training sessions from April 12-16. On the evening of April 12/13 a training session will be held on the beach areas covering Hadicurari, and surroundings, and Arashi and surroundings. On April 14 combat simulations will be held at the Atlantis Apartment Complex and the following day, April 15 at the Arikok National Park. Last day practices will be held on the coast along Coastal refinery and the area around the Reina Beatrix International Airport.
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« Reply #550 on: April 22, 2008, 10:36:01 AM »



So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 

This dude smiles just like Steve Gregory Croes.  He has listed there a Gregory Croes as one of his children.  I believe it would be his children it is listed after his spouse. He could be a grandparent or something, but Steve may come from a large family.   Jackb

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« Reply #551 on: April 22, 2008, 11:01:02 AM »



So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 

This dude smiles just like Steve Gregory Croes.  He has listed there a Gregory Croes as one of his children.  I believe it would be his children it is listed after his spouse. He could be a grandparent or something, but Steve may come from a large family.   Jackb




Hi jackb...I have been trying to work out what the relationships are...the list that Rufo is on...omo...is uncle...not much luck with the rest through the translator...worked out the spouse...LOL
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« Reply #552 on: April 22, 2008, 12:13:48 PM »


which codetalker mentioned the god w/ the misspelled name?
and what was the context?

long ago, I thought that the misspelled god was Ben (Voc)King
but now I can't remember why

TIA  Wink



Could it be that he changed his name?

 Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King .


http://tinyurl.com/4dugq7

That seems to be what has been known about the name change for not too long after the case started.  Ben King was Ben Vocking.       jackb
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« Reply #553 on: April 22, 2008, 12:16:38 PM »



So this fellow that died is the uncle of all on the list with Rufo....and his name is Croes...so by finding the brother or sister we can find one of Rufo's parents...I think!

 

This croes man is so much like Steve Gregory Croes that he would have to be very close kin.  He has the ears, as well.  I believe that grin says it all   jackb
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« Reply #554 on: April 22, 2008, 12:33:47 PM »

I guess he knew Jossy?


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Den nomber di mi mama stimá Sra.Vda. Elsa Croes-Solognier y mi rumannan, Gregory, Judessa & Rosy,
mi ta gradicí tur esnan cu den un forma of otro a apoyá nos incondicionalmente durante enfermedad, fayecimiento, entiero, misanan y rezamento di mi tata

Sr. Juan Emiliano “Mechy” Croes

Hopi danki ta bay pa tur su rumannan, swa- y cuñanan y demas famia, enfermeranan Marietje, Marlene y Sonia di Foundation Edmund Harms, Dr. Lili Beke, Joisey, Dr. Karina Kelly, Geraldine, Jeannette, Dr. Ike Posner, Maritza, Manuel Chacon, Pader Toti, Johnny Martes, Elton Wilson, Neil Thijsen, Rochi Gomez, Gino Croes, Jossy M. Mansur, Freddy Barreto, Nicomeda Albertsz, tur esnan cu a comunica via telegram, tarheta y aviso. Papi drumi dushi den braza di Señor.
Bo Primogénito Dionisio Emiliano “Dino” Croes.

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« Reply #555 on: April 22, 2008, 12:38:33 PM »

Good Morning Monkeys

Today I need all thinking heads.

I want all to look at this morese code carefully. It contain a secret message.

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

all the "E" are spaces. all the rest of the letters, are the first letter of a word or a name.

The names are found in this table.

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/alphabet.html

Now lets rewrite the code and you will get the real code to be decipher.

E LPADR E SOONAN E WTRUTHWILLB E UNV E IL E D

Now rewite the code from top down

End

Lorenzo
Papa
A?
D?
Robert

End
Steve ---> other word
O ------> Order
O
Nellie
Attack
Natalie

End

We
Took
Robert
Uncle
To
Hotel
Where
I
Left
Lorenzo
Bleeding

End

Uncle
Nefu
Video

End

I
Left

End

Done



I want all to look at this and tried to think some words that fit this code using the phonetic table above.

Phonetic means sound like. 

I have allmost all the rest of the Merian code decifer.

Question

Who Phone was this code in?

back to decoding now Shango

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« Reply #556 on: April 22, 2008, 12:45:13 PM »

There's a secret message in the secret message? 
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« Reply #557 on: April 22, 2008, 12:59:29 PM »

There's a secret message in the secret message? 


Mirian must have really been a genius...

Is Caps gone...Kermit has a question...I have many?
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« Reply #558 on: April 22, 2008, 01:13:59 PM »

Good Morning Monkeys

Today I need all thinking heads.

I want all to look at this morese code carefully. It contain a secret message.

ELPADRESOONANEWTRUTHWILLBEUNVEILED

all the "E" are spaces. all the rest of the letters, are the first letter of a word or a name.

The names are found in this table.

http://morsecode.scphillips.com/alphabet.html

Now lets rewrite the code and you will get the real code to be decipher.

E LPADR E SOONAN E WTRUTHWILLB E UNV E IL E D

Now rewite the code from top down

End

Lorenzo
Papa
A?
D?
Robert

End
Steve ---> other word
O ------> Order
O
Nellie
Attack
Natalie

End

We
Took
Robert
Uncle
To
Hotel
Where
I
Left
Lorenzo
Bleeding

End

Uncle
Nefu
Video

End

I
Left

End

Done



I want all to look at this and tried to think some words that fit this code using the phonetic table above.

Phonetic means sound like. 

I have allmost all the rest of the Merian code decifer.

Question

Who Phone was this code in?back to decoding now Shango

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My guess is...the one ALE was asking about, but we have lost phones, found phones, broken phones, phones with no credit and throw-a-way phones!
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« Reply #559 on: April 22, 2008, 01:24:38 PM »

Sorry vms...logged out without complimenting you on your great sluething skills...

 
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