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« Reply #920 on: April 25, 2008, 02:29:55 PM »

So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   Rolling Eyes

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?





Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...

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« Reply #921 on: April 25, 2008, 02:31:48 PM »



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« Reply #922 on: April 25, 2008, 02:35:33 PM »

So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   Rolling Eyes

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?



Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Hello VMS Smile He also identified Vocking in the pic we posted here...I believe he did work at the prosecuters office as well as the Justice Dept or was it the Public Ministry? He is a great candidate for dirty hands as well as Van Der Straten,,I noticed several Dutch coming to this guys defense at RWV and I think he is dirty as hell,not only with the search of the VDS home but also involved in that DNA testing they errored so bad,all the tests and what they were comparing it to was never revealed.

He most likely was returning the favor for PVDS helping him destroy and cover up evidence in the Matthews case..What a pal..
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« Reply #923 on: April 25, 2008, 02:37:37 PM »

So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   Rolling Eyes

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?





Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Thanks vms...I agree. Would still like to find where I recall the 'lawyer' from. It may have just been asked and no follow-up.
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« Reply #924 on: April 25, 2008, 02:40:17 PM »





And your point? Lost here..help me out.
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« Reply #925 on: April 25, 2008, 02:41:45 PM »

*******, great point on the DNA. Beth gave her DNA on 6-12-2005. And when looking at that transcript it said exculpatory for Deepak and Satish - meaning they were not matched. No such statement for Joran. I can only conclude something matched Joran and (Beth) Natalee.

this is the package from the Hague in my opinion. Interesting that Jansen got the DNA without a judges order, or so she later claimed, and it could have been a ruse to eliminate the conclusive and damaging match to Joran or Paulus.

in a sense, once it was known that one or more of the suspects were matched, they need to say there was a judicial / prosecutorial mistake.
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« Reply #926 on: April 25, 2008, 02:42:34 PM »

So do we have a correct photo of Ben Vocking or not?   Rolling Eyes

I have no idea? I will go back and revisit the discussions from February and see what I can find, also if there is anything on him being a lawyer. He was apparently working in the Prosecutors office, I think?



Peter de Vries had to get the "younger" pic from somewhere so I would assume he has correctly identified Vocking...


Hello VMS Smile He also identified Vocking in the pic we posted here...I believe he did work at the prosecuters office as well as the Justice Dept or was it the Public Ministry? He is a great candidate for dirty hands as well as Van Der Straten,,I noticed several Dutch coming to this guys defense at RWV and I think he is dirty as hell,not only with the search of the VDS home but also involved in that DNA testing they errored so bad,all the tests and what they were comparing it to was never revealed.

He most likely was returning the favor for PVDS helping him destroy and cover up evidence in the Matthews case..What a pal..

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I agree.

I do find it strange, if that is him in the video, that he would be speaking on camera about Joran's condition in jail. A very good candidate for Dirtyhand, IMO, also...
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« Reply #927 on: April 25, 2008, 02:47:49 PM »

funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.
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« Reply #928 on: April 25, 2008, 02:52:27 PM »

So far, this is what I have on Virginia Page:
Virginia O'Neal Page is attending Vanderbilt College which is located in Nashville, Tennessee
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« Reply #929 on: April 25, 2008, 02:56:10 PM »

So far, this is what I have on Virginia Page:
Virginia O'Neal Page is attending Vanderbilt College which is located in Nashville, Tennessee


Same University her father graduated from.
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« Reply #930 on: April 25, 2008, 03:04:29 PM »

funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 
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« Reply #931 on: April 25, 2008, 03:07:26 PM »

*******, great point on the DNA. Beth gave her DNA on 6-12-2005. And when looking at that transcript it said exculpatory for Deepak and Satish - meaning they were not matched. No such statement for Joran. I can only conclude something matched Joran and (Beth) Natalee.

this is the package from the Hague in my opinion. Interesting that Jansen got the DNA without a judges order, or so she later claimed, and it could have been a ruse to eliminate the conclusive and damaging match to Joran or Paulus.

in a sense, once it was known that one or more of the suspects were matched, they need to say there was a judicial / prosecutorial mistake.

Was the date on the results the same as June 12 or was it later? 
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« Reply #932 on: April 25, 2008, 03:09:46 PM »

Virginia Page is in college last I heard and had nightmares about what could have happened to Natalee. IIRC she did not speak on the record for more than two years after the fact.

Virginia Page was very very distraught about Natalee and cried every nite for a long time.

I think we are looking at wrong, If it is about a political murder, then the Yellowhammer is this


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« Reply #933 on: April 25, 2008, 03:10:13 PM »

Rethinking my questioning of if any purpose is served to know who Shango and Simian were.

If we know who they are and can connect relationships, then we may understand what motivations they had to post what they did.

I think Rob already said that. I'm slow...  Laughing
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« Reply #934 on: April 25, 2008, 03:10:48 PM »





And your point? Lost here..help me out.

 I'm lost with you
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« Reply #935 on: April 25, 2008, 03:15:58 PM »

funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 


Jailhouse....Courthouse....Sloot's house....
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« Reply #936 on: April 25, 2008, 03:22:24 PM »

Virginia Page is in college last I heard and had nightmares about what could have happened to Natalee. IIRC she did not speak on the record for more than two years after the fact.

Virginia Page was very very distraught about Natalee and cried every nite for a long time.

I think we are looking at wrong, If it is about a political murder, then the Yellowhammer is this





Okay, I am banging my head against a brick wall but here goes.....Yellowhammer is a reference to Natalee Holloway.  It is not another girl.  I too, am going to have to disagree with you Caps...I live in the Yellowhammer state...I know this.  I don't think too many of us have seen your info about this political murder you are talking about here...do you still have that info? TIA
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« Reply #937 on: April 25, 2008, 03:23:09 PM »





And your point? Lost here..help me out.

IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th
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« Reply #938 on: April 25, 2008, 03:25:09 PM »

Rethinking my questioning of if any purpose is served to know who Shango and Simian were.

If we know who they are and can connect relationships, then we may understand what motivations they had to post what they did.

I think Rob already said that. I'm slow...  Laughing

Yes, you are right and therein may lie the motivation for Shango to tell us about the underbelly and illegal workings of Aruba.
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« Reply #939 on: April 25, 2008, 03:26:47 PM »

Does anyone remember where this photo originated?  Was it from a tickle site? 
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