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« Reply #940 on: April 25, 2008, 03:32:45 PM »

I remember something about Tony providing pictures to the media.
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« Reply #941 on: April 25, 2008, 03:32:45 PM »

Does anyone remember where this photo originated?  Was it from a tickle site? 



Not sure...I tried to check a little while bac, and never finished. No-one heard of Freddy until late August, but the pic was around and cropped as he was not supposed to be involved...I recall Klaas saying that.
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« Reply #942 on: April 25, 2008, 03:35:48 PM »

*******, great point on the DNA. Beth gave her DNA on 6-12-2005. And when looking at that transcript it said exculpatory for Deepak and Satish - meaning they were not matched. No such statement for Joran. I can only conclude something matched Joran and (Beth) Natalee.

this is the package from the Hague in my opinion. Interesting that Jansen got the DNA without a judges order, or so she later claimed, and it could have been a ruse to eliminate the conclusive and damaging match to Joran or Paulus.

in a sense, once it was known that one or more of the suspects were matched, they need to say there was a judicial / prosecutorial mistake.

Was the date on the results the same as June 12 or was it later? 

Lalas, I just know she was tested on 6-12-2005. I do not know of the results because they were quashed when it was revealed that Jansen ordered the tests without a judge's order. Beth was called and asked to provide a BLOOD sample, not a swab. They were comparing something to something and must have felt blood was more precise. They had to have something if a DNA request was made of Beth. Remember they are after mitrochondrial DNA passed from mom to child. And also remember Dave was there and was not asked for a DNA test.

maybe a smarter monks knows better than I.
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« Reply #943 on: April 25, 2008, 03:37:14 PM »

funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.
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« Reply #944 on: April 25, 2008, 03:41:31 PM »





And your point? Lost here..help me out.

IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th

I understand now. They used lines in a parallel fashion to line it all up and avoid detection. Now it makes sense.

Thanks Caps, got it!!
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« Reply #945 on: April 25, 2008, 03:45:32 PM »

Does anyone remember where this photo originated?  Was it from a tickle site? 



Not sure...I tried to check a little while bac, and never finished. No-one heard of Freddy until late August, but the pic was around and cropped as he was not supposed to be involved...I recall Klaas saying that.

We knew him as Locoman. We may have known the first name too, I can't remember but we definitely found the pic and knew who Merian was pointing out...
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« Reply #946 on: April 25, 2008, 03:52:06 PM »

Klaas

Where did that photo originate?  I know the media had it first so do you have nay idea who provided that photo? TIA
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« Reply #947 on: April 25, 2008, 03:52:26 PM »

VMs see what you can find about a group called the Unwanted, they play at CAfe Chaos

Also check this out...the dupe of Joran??

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32317146


This is not the best place and time probably to put this....but I thought I had better before I forgot to.  j/b

Paulus Van der Sloot
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June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

Could this count as switching places?
  When Palus let Joran sit in the tournament for him that seems to be switching places.  j/b
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« Reply #948 on: April 25, 2008, 03:53:04 PM »

funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.



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« Reply #949 on: April 25, 2008, 03:59:29 PM »

funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.

Caps there are 5 Dirty Hands
Dirty Hand
DirtyHand
Dirty hand
dirty hand
dirtyhand
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« Reply #950 on: April 25, 2008, 04:01:12 PM »

quote Caps-
He is the one we cal the behavior specialist.

is there a video? I'll capture the guy and post him.
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« Reply #951 on: April 25, 2008, 04:01:21 PM »





And your point? Lost here..help me out.

IT is almost impossible that you can take a head alling in certain angle and insert it in the same angle over someone else face and it fits perfectly. this only happend when the foto was dockter up or forged.
Now Meriam ask about who swith placed and give explicit direction to look at the famous photo from C&C.

And this is what I tried to prove using the Parallel theory of Lines and Art from analysys.

Now if you tool a line across over the eyes and bring it in parallel, The lines with vertical lines and the lines across the eyes, will  give you an angle. if this ange is the same in both foto after just removeing one head placing it over the other without and angle change, then you have a foto that was forged.



Well the whole picture show 4 people, 2 brother that do not need to be swith, knowing that Joran is the scapegoat, th

I understand now. They used lines in a parallel fashion to line it all up and avoid detection. Now it makes sense.

Thanks Caps, got it!!

Who is the dude behind Freddy, may he was there and Freddy got substituted and the reason he is not cut out is the "photoshop" would be more obvious.  jackb
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« Reply #952 on: April 25, 2008, 04:06:51 PM »

There is only one problem with the parallel lines and photochopping Freddy and Joran. How can anyone not say those are Joran's chewbacca arms? He gets those from Paulus. He has the same gawd-awful hairy arms. Those are Joran's arms.

Maybe Freddy is not in the photo??? and chopped in?

just guessing ovah here!!! LOL

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« Reply #953 on: April 25, 2008, 04:09:03 PM »

funny (NOT) how Vocking didn't care one iota about Mathews' condition in jail which was 1000% more deplorable that Joran's. No cell phone smuggled in by daddy, no soccer, no nothing. Just two plus years of solitary confinement. 

I would say Vocking walked in all houses. He's a very likely candidate.

One of our monkeys...Ferljepper...thought King qualified as dirty hand also.  He walked with the elder...he knows who provided the escort..he walks in all houses...he was at the Sloots when they came to search. 

it does look very obvious.

VocKing is a dirty hand but he is not the top dirty hand.

The Top Dirtyhand is in the public prosecuter office. seek a list of these and you will not find him there. I know, The AircoMan knows. On the day that Hendrick was in trouble, he let his face seen for 5 min on the news behind MOS, where MOS was giving the speach in front of the police station. He was on TV and many people have asked who he is but most do not know him. He is the one we cal the behavior specialist. Still waiting on a photo of him. hard to get becuase where he is no cell or camara allowed. THE OM OFFICE.





Are you referring to the guy whose name I can't spell correctly...Duektohm...Duektohm...oh I give up...but is it this person?
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« Reply #954 on: April 25, 2008, 04:16:53 PM »

quote Caps-
He is the one we cal the behavior specialist.

is there a video? I'll capture the guy and post him.

Rob, it was on www.telearuba.aw and on the night that they arrested Hendrick Croes, I think it was on a sunday. I do  not remember the dates. at the end of MOS speech, he and MOS walk in the Police station.

Yes, there is 5 stories in Shango and thats why it is 50 pages now. The Ritz, Natalee, Drug, Money laudring,The corruption
all mixed in one big story.
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« Reply #955 on: April 25, 2008, 04:17:37 PM »

Vms...I found this post from Tony...more here if you would like to check...I have to run...Mill Resort...again!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=270;sa=showPosts

We need one more person to tell all. In Aruba one cannot incriminate themselves, the thought we had Joran Deepak and Satish being questioned was misleading, in fact after the first arrest they all said NOTHING to questions asked of them and used their right to do so.
 Paulus is loosing weight daily from all this stress, I predict a heart attack or some other medical ailment soon.

I posted this in 2006:
on: July 03, 2006, 01:39:16 PM
I remember the locoman pimp (Freddy A) from tickle site and all the connections to K2 and of course as we know, Joran. The silence from him is stifling. He was at jorans apartment the night before Nat disappeared. He might have been there when she arrived after leaving Carlos and Charlies.
I always thought he was involved and I provided the Daily News with his picture last year when he was questioned. He, like Steve C and GVC declined to answer questions and were susuquently released. They love doing the activities partners as mentioned on their sites. It is a well rehearsed (by practice ) series of events, 1st the bar, then the Mill Resort and then the dropoff at the hotel in the wee hours. Filming, sharing and token taking all all part of the GAME; get it?
We need Queen Beatrix to intervene!


PS: To Maria M. from Greta postings, Go to hell for your ignorance, the taxi company in South Africa does just fine when the government can't enforce their laws.
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« Reply #956 on: April 25, 2008, 04:19:55 PM »

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I thought that Deutkohm guy was a judge? Is that the same as OM?  I didn't think it was, but I may be wrong.  How do you spell that name anyway?
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« Reply #957 on: April 25, 2008, 04:23:11 PM »

Vms...I found this post from Tony...more here if you would like to check...I have to run...Mill Resort...again!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=270;sa=showPosts

We need one more person to tell all. In Aruba one cannot incriminate themselves, the thought we had Joran Deepak and Satish being questioned was misleading, in fact after the first arrest they all said NOTHING to questions asked of them and used their right to do so.
 Paulus is loosing weight daily from all this stress, I predict a heart attack or some other medical ailment soon.

I posted this in 2006:
on: July 03, 2006, 01:39:16 PM
I remember the locoman pimp (Freddy A) from tickle site and all the connections to K2 and of course as we know, Joran. The silence from him is stifling. He was at jorans apartment the night before Nat disappeared. He might have been there when she arrived after leaving Carlos and Charlies.
I always thought he was involved and I provided the Daily News with his picture last year when he was questioned. He, like Steve C and GVC declined to answer questions and were susuquently released. They love doing the activities partners as mentioned on their sites. It is a well rehearsed (by practice ) series of events, 1st the bar, then the Mill Resort and then the dropoff at the hotel in the wee hours. Filming, sharing and token taking all all part of the GAME; get it?
We need Queen Beatrix to intervene!


PS: To Maria M. from Greta postings, Go to hell for your ignorance, the taxi company in South Africa does just fine when the government can't enforce their laws.

Thank you, Mum.
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« Reply #958 on: April 25, 2008, 04:23:50 PM »

This could be it...

The talker will be the 4th person of interest, he/she will tie in inconsistincies in the timeline and ever changing stories by J and K2. Then pressure builds and Deepak breaks first. He is the weak link, just read the van transcripts when they were secretly taped. Look over my previous posts by clicking my name on top. I provided the pictres of FA and Croes to the Daily news in NYC in the beginning, I brought up the bibba leker gang from their webpostings(depak, satish. joran and freddy) and their 'alternative' activities (getting into drunk or passed out tourist' pants). They will crumble.
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« Reply #959 on: April 25, 2008, 04:29:23 PM »

There is only one problem with the parallel lines and photochopping Freddy and Joran. How can anyone not say those are Joran's chewbacca arms? He gets those from Paulus. He has the same gawd-awful hairy arms. Those are Joran's arms.

Maybe Freddy is not in the photo??? and chopped in?

just guessing ovah here!!! LOL



Rob,

I agree that those look like Joran's arms so he probably was not shopped, just used to fix the other (Freddy) in place.  But that is not Freddy's hand. IMO.  It looks like it would belong to Guido or more likely to Max, the photo guy.  Kinda effeminate ... delicate. 

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