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Topic: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3 (Read 795107 times)
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COLOMBO
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
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April 29, 2008, 08:42:09 PM »
Quote from: vms on April 29, 2008, 08:32:39 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on April 29, 2008, 08:29:57 PM
Quote from: vms on April 29, 2008, 08:08:05 PM
Quote from: COLOMBO on April 29, 2008, 06:38:10 PM
Quote from: vms on April 29, 2008, 06:22:53 PM
Quote from: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 06:17:49 PM
Hi Everyone,
Deepak is
scared
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359
his sister is
disappointed
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184
Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....
MOO
OS
Hi
OS
. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?
SS
,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.
What is the date of birth for Jossy's brother?
COLOMBO
,
Sorry, I don't have it and can't get to the chamber to try and look it up. He was 63 when arrested, IIRC.
OS
and
tx
,
that might do......what was the year of the arrest?
September, 2007
Simian Says:
June 28th, 2005
at 1:43 am
The Simian has a handicap of 12.
wonder whether he turned 61 after June 28 2005?
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Lala'sMom
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April 29, 2008, 10:37:55 PM »
No I think Simian is about 36 right now.
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April 29, 2008, 11:28:15 PM »
Maybe he knows Anita...
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
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April 30, 2008, 05:54:45 AM »
Quote from: Blonde on April 29, 2008, 05:23:35 PM
Lets see we can make our own timeline
Joran leaves his shoes behind because he does not want to deal with Natalee any more (OTR)
Joran tells Satish what happened on the beach and Satish repeats "f*** that bitch". Joran tells Satish that he will go to school in the morning and then look for his shoes after he goes to the Raquet Club. When they arrive at Joran's home Satish says not to worry, he will go and pick up Joran's shoes. Joran tells Satish where he left them, and Satish drives off (DZNH).
3:00-4:00 am: Lee goes to sleep (Broughton 302)
3:07 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer (CRD)
3:10 am: Same young woman resembling Natalee seen on tape at 2:38, is seen at HI front desk with girl resembling Natalee's classmate Frances Ellen Byrd (Renfro e-mail).
3:11 am: Joran text messages something sweet to Florencia (DZNH)
3:13 am: Joran sends Deepak a text message saying: "Hey Swa, thanks, I am home now, I will see you tomorrow" (J 6/14, DZNH)
Joran goes into his kitchen to get something to eat and to drink (OTR)
When Deepak returns from bathroom he sees that Joran had messaged him that he was home and would see him tomorrow. Deepak replies "OK" (D 6/11, J 6/14)
3:22 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)
3:25 am: Deepak sends message to
Joran.
Valentijn
Message says: Are you there? (CRD)
3:25 am: Deepak sends message to
Joran
Valentijn.
Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed (CRD)
3:25 am: Deepak sends message to
Joran
Valentijn.
Message says: Take care (CRD)
3:33 am:
Joran sends IM to Deepak
.
Valentijn on Van der Sloot computer Message says: Hey swa (CRD)
3:35 am:
Joran
Valentijn
sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Topa pimp heehehe (CRD)
3:35 am:
Joran
Valentijn
visits hotmail (CRD)
3:36 am: Keycard for Natalee's room used (OTR 4/4/06)
3:40-3:45 am:
Joran
Valentijn
visits four soccer-related sites (CRD)
3:46 am:
Joran
Valentijn
visits porn site (CRD)
3:56 pm:
Joran
Valentijn
visits porn site (CRD)
Then we have the one thing that cements a timeline in place and that being
Paulus' denial for compensation based on his being seen at 4 AM in the morning near the McDonalds.
In actuality we only have a window of around 3 to 4 hours to work with before Paulus is seen picking up Joran.
4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail (CRD)
5:45 am: Paul van der Sloot awakens, when his alarm goes off at the usual time (P 6/23)
This would work if Valentijn was on covering Joran ass. this is the most simple way IMO
Remember Joran said Valentijn was the one he trusted the most,
Great work Blonde
….Is this the comment from Joran that you are referring to, or is there another?
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran610.htm
And I used my brother's mobile phone without asking for permission, and after that I broke the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is 15 years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.
Do we have enough proof to add the 1.40AM stop at the van der Sloot’s house in there?
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
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April 30, 2008, 06:03:38 AM »
Quote from: vms on April 29, 2008, 06:22:53 PM
Quote from: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 06:17:49 PM
Hi Everyone,
Deepak is
scared
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359
his sister is
disappointed
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184
Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....
MOO
OS
Hi
OS
. Great to see you posting.
Wonder what's up with the Kalpoes?
SS
,
Remember when Jossy's brother was arrested?
The initials were not in reverse order. He was listed as L.E.M.
I was looking for Luis Mansur last night when this was posted and I found four???
I found Jossy’s brother, his cousin – Eric’s brother, his son and young Luis, the one that Pita posted the pic of a few pages back!
One graduated from Castleheights, where I believe Jug went in 1984. I was presuming this was Jossy’s son.
Can anyone help set me straight on this, please? TIA
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
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Reply #1205 on:
April 30, 2008, 06:06:30 AM »
Quote from: ospainter on April 29, 2008, 06:17:49 PM
Hi Everyone,
Deepak is
scared
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=131637359
his sister is
disappointed
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=279423184
Doesn't look like dim Kalpoes are too happy right now...hummmmmmmmmm....
MOO
OS
Hi OS...Nice to see you here....Big people lie!...LOL....Did see Aruba here a little while after this was posted, but they were on page 55....
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
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April 30, 2008, 06:19:59 AM »
Found this from when Freddy was arrested, but couldn’t find anything other than S.G.C. or Steve’s name from his arrest. Only did a quick check…
Here is the ‘explanation’ from Bondia on Freddy A. regarding the initials….Thanks Finngirl…
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2768.0
5:44 pm
bondia:
Freddy Z.
Freddy's middle name is Alexander and it is customary to never use somebody’s last name in Aruba until they have been charged.
The rules were obviously broken in Natalee's case as it has been a free for all of accusations since the Beginning
6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.
If the initials were reversed, I guess we would have been looking for A.F. and not Freddy Zedan!
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
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April 30, 2008, 06:26:05 AM »
Quote from: vms on April 29, 2008, 11:28:15 PM
Maybe he knows Anita...
Nice find vms
...motorcycles...didn't Robert Benson work for the Harley dealer?
Wonder if he knows Julia...
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April 30, 2008, 06:35:52 AM »
Good morning, Mum.
I found these in my photobucket last night. I didn't know if you had seen them before or not.
MSN Profile:
Tickle Profile:
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April 30, 2008, 06:52:41 AM »
Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 06:35:52 AM
Good morning, Mum.
I found these in my photobucket last night. I didn't know if you had seen them before or not.
MSN Profile:
Tickle Profile:
Good Morning vms
...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...
Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL
I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..
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April 30, 2008, 07:00:30 AM »
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:52:41 AM
Good Morning vms
...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...
Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL
I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..
I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...
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Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:00:30 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:52:41 AM
Good Morning vms
...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...
Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL
I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..
I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...
I think we have a few more dots...LOL
I tried the Registry to find something on Luis Mansur and it was still down a little while ago. IIRC this has happened before, hasn't it?
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April 30, 2008, 07:13:59 AM »
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:10:50 AM
Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:00:30 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:52:41 AM
Good Morning vms
...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...
Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL
I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..
I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...
I think we have a few more dots...LOL
I tried the Registry to find something on Luis Mansur and it was still down a little while ago. IIRC this has happened before, hasn't it?
I was going to try to look up Luis for COLUMBO last night and it was down. It has happened several times.
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Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:13:59 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:10:50 AM
Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:00:30 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 06:52:41 AM
Good Morning vms
...Thanks...I wish I had seen those tickle sites, but I didn't even know what a forum was was until the cable networks stopped their coverage, so I had no hope on Tickle...
Of course I did know about myspace and facebook...LOL
I have wondered if the pic of Freddy in the white garb was a joke and remember reading a post that said this was in a school...need to have a closer look..
I didn't know what a forum was either. I was only going to read, you know, hence my stupid nic.
I sure did not think I would still be here three years later without answers...
I think we have a few more dots...LOL
I tried the Registry to find something on Luis Mansur and it was still down a little while ago. IIRC this has happened before, hasn't it?
I was going to try to look up Luis for COLUMBO last night and it was down. It has happened several times.
Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA
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Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:17:47 AM
Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA
Per Glenda, the Luis (Miguel) listed at the Castle Heights site is Jossy's brother.
Luis Emilio is Jossy's brother.
Per Vanity Fair, Eric is his cousin.
I get them all mixed up, Mum. Someone else could probably be more help...
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Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:37:57 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:17:47 AM
Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA
Per Glenda, the Luis (Miguel) listed at the Castle Heights site is Jossy's
brother
son
.
Luis Emilio is Jossy's brother.
Per Vanity Fair, Eric is his cousin.
I get them all mixed up, Mum. Someone else could probably be more help...
Sorry! Too early, lol.
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Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:39:55 AM
Quote from: vms on April 30, 2008, 07:37:57 AM
Quote from: MumInOhio on April 30, 2008, 07:17:47 AM
Did you see my post on Luis??? Can you help any? TIA
Per Glenda, the Luis (Miguel) listed at the Castle Heights site is Jossy's
brother
son
.
Luis Emilio is Jossy's brother.
Per Vanity Fair, Eric is his cousin.
I get them all mixed up, Mum. Someone else could probably be more help...
Sorry! Too early, lol.
I will have to find it, but I thought I saw in an article that Luis and Eric were brothers...LOL...may have been something to do with a court case...I went everywhere trying to find that DOB for COLUMBO!
That is why I thought it strange that there was a brother and a cousin with the same name! I wonder who young Luis belongs to?
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Found this I saved…LOL…I didn’t know I had it last night???? Not surprising…Think I saved it for the address, as it is somewhere near the Gottenbos and I thought one of the Mansurs was in Insurance!
Luis Emilio 5/27/1944 Malmokweg 22
Have Jossy’s DOB from the Hooters Chamber Records
ARUBA on 7 JUNE 1934
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Can’t link to RU, but this is some of what I found there and at RWV…It appears that there is a L.M.M and a L.E.M…looks like I am still missing a ‘cousin’.
Still looking for the Eric/Luis are brothers thing...
AC wrote
So, is Eric, Luis's son or Alex's son.....anyone know?
Eric is Ruben's son. (sorry if it was already posted).
Luis M. Mansur
Oranjestad, ARUBA
Description: Living in Aruba. Maried for 14 years. 4 kids, oldest is a boy 12 and triplets 3years old, one boy two girls. I am currently working as the astnt. director at the islands largest newspaper (DIARIO),also own a construction company.
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/just_some_case_.html
Heli and Trix,
Wrong "Luis". You are talking about Luis Miguel (Jossy's son).
I did not have the wrong Luis; I knew the arrestee was not Luis cited
above, but rather a 63 year old man being the brother of Jossy.
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Luis Mansur - these images are from Chicago Outfit photobucket. I also see he has that old priest listed as Ben Vocking, so that's probably where that all started.
This image is listed as Luis Mansur, but I don't think this is him.... anyone know? The images says - "Luis tickle profile"
also from the Chicago Outfit bucket - Luis and Israel Posner
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===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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