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« Reply #1400 on: May 06, 2008, 10:20:57 AM »

 The biggest fraud trial in the history of the Netherlands Antilles began this past Monday.  The court is reserving the month of November to hear this case.  Based on the planned court schedule, the verdict is expected December 18th. Among the 18 suspects there is one former Minister (Ensley Bulo, FOL) and five former-commissioners (FOL-advisor Nelson Monte, FOL leader and shadow Prime Minister, Anthony Godett, PAR's David Dick and the PNP's Ramon Chong and Hendriks Abraham). In addition, two companies (De Antillen NV and the Papa Godett Institute), a few government employees (including former Post NV director Hedwig Komproe) and two contractors (Cees Lutgendorff and Eugene Middelhof) will also be prosecuted.

http://bonairereporter.com/news/2003issues/11-07-03/page2.htm

this seems to be Bonaire
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« Reply #1401 on: May 06, 2008, 10:22:43 AM »

I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.

Found the nic posting at a Mercedes site this morning...and a couple of other possibilities...will check again in a bit!

The Star...Kermits' car, the Synagogue - downtown I think, and the apartment buildings...also on the flag IIRC
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« Reply #1402 on: May 06, 2008, 10:22:46 AM »

Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14?

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..

If you are talking about the pond that has been blocked off...I think it has a drainage ditch that is fairly large...but that would be to prevent overflow into the adjacent lost such as the soccer field and that restaurant.

No American involvement...no body...no case.  I am thinking same old BS  Everyone knows that I do not trust anyone on Aruba...well maybe just a person or two..but that is it.

I don't trust anyone either... how can we? They have done nothing, in my opinion, to garner any trust.
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« Reply #1403 on: May 06, 2008, 10:24:13 AM »

star = rats

just saying
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« Reply #1404 on: May 06, 2008, 10:25:04 AM »

Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14?

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..

If you are talking about the pond that has been blocked off...I think it has a drainage ditch that is fairly large...but that would be to prevent overflow into the adjacent lost such as the soccer field and that restaurant.

No American involvement...no body...no case.  I am thinking same old BS  Everyone knows that I do not trust anyone on Aruba...well maybe just a person or two..but that is it.


Lala's...this is not Moko, is it? Is this Monserrat? thanks!
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« Reply #1405 on: May 06, 2008, 10:27:00 AM »

Could you fill a pond if you needed to build a structure on top of it?  You know, with dirt and such?

I was thinking the pond was flooded, but it could have been filled in with dirt or sand... good thinking.

The area where the Ritz was going to be situated was across the street from the Marriott pond, maybe that pond was filled in???

I have no idea and I'm just guessing.
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« Reply #1406 on: May 06, 2008, 10:27:33 AM »

Good morning Rob...nice to see you....is it a size 10 or 14?

I guess Gerold Dompig could answer that one. LOL...

I'm wondering how someone could fill the pond??? I wonder if it connects to a spill way that has a door that opens and closes?

Good Morning Mum...

I'm having some kind of problem with my modem this morning, so if I don't respond... that's why..

If you are talking about the pond that has been blocked off...I think it has a drainage ditch that is fairly large...but that would be to prevent overflow into the adjacent lost such as the soccer field and that restaurant.

No American involvement...no body...no case.  I am thinking same old BS  Everyone knows that I do not trust anyone on Aruba...well maybe just a person or two..but that is it.

I don't trust anyone either... how can we? They have done nothing, in my opinion, to garner any trust.


Thinking of the crab cage now....
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« Reply #1407 on: May 06, 2008, 10:30:38 AM »

Caps
Please don't just mention a name and not give any information that backs up what you say...the monkeys can check all this stuff out...but you have to let us help. 

WHO IS BULO?


LOL...a few hours back I found a Bulo from Arabu...but he had a Mercedes...wrong path...

SS...you have lost me as I have no clue how Caps arrived at the Matty apartments or the Indo...or even who owns the Indo anymore...I think we found Stars at two other apartments, way back in the first thread and at that time Caps said it was one of those!

 


Hi,  we had some pictures of the Indus with the star.  CAPS said that you had to drive around in the back to get to the apartments.  I think that Dave had actually been here in the very beginning of the search.  He said that the apartment was probably #6.  He also showed us a map.  These apartments are kind of located across from the pond at Manserat and the pond is behind something that looks like a shopping center.  I kept asking if anyone had access to an inflatable boat or a small fishing boat that could be launched in the dark at this pond.  Persistence did check this pond right before they left the island.  There are pictures of Tim and John in a little boat with their equipment, but the are back on the other threads.  CAPS told us that he had turned all of his information over the TES, Dave and Beth, and the FBI.

I found someone named Ensley Bulo who was a Minister of Transportation and Communication on Bonaire.
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« Reply #1408 on: May 06, 2008, 10:31:21 AM »

Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...
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« Reply #1409 on: May 06, 2008, 10:37:03 AM »

Caps
Please don't just mention a name and not give any information that backs up what you say...the monkeys can check all this stuff out...but you have to let us help. 

WHO IS BULO?


LOL...a few hours back I found a Bulo from Arabu...but he had a Mercedes...wrong path...

SS...you have lost me as I have no clue how Caps arrived at the Matty apartments or the Indo...or even who owns the Indo anymore...I think we found Stars at two other apartments, way back in the first thread and at that time Caps said it was one of those!

 


Hi,  we had some pictures of the Indus with the star.  CAPS said that you had to drive around in the back to get to the apartments.  I think that Dave had actually been here in the very beginning of the search.  He said that the apartment was probably #6.  He also showed us a map.  These apartments are kind of located across from the pond at Manserat and the pond is behind something that looks like a shopping center.  I kept asking if anyone had access to an inflatable boat or a small fishing boat that could be launched in the dark at this pond.  Persistence did check this pond right before they left the island.  There are pictures of Tim and John in a little boat with their equipment, but the are back on the other threads.  CAPS told us that he had turned all of his information over the TES, Dave and Beth, and the FBI.

I found someone named Ensley Bulo who was a Minister of Transportation and Communication on Bonaire.


I remember the pics and the pond...

I would love to know if that Synagogue is where the dead-end meet...maybe then I could put that pic of Freddy right out of my head...

Lala's...you don't think those are sunglasses on his head in that pic do you?

Just wondering after the one of him in the alb was posted the other day!
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« Reply #1410 on: May 06, 2008, 10:46:45 AM »

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 09:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.





The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door? 


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« Reply #1411 on: May 06, 2008, 10:54:30 AM »

There is a photograph of the site, from the air, on page 6 of this thread.


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The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.

 

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« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 10:59:31 AM »

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 09:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.





The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door? 


Afirmative (YES)


SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!
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« Reply #1413 on: May 06, 2008, 11:05:13 AM »

Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...

Okay.  Let me clarify this...I suppose it is free for discussion now that Caps has sort of told us all about it so here goes....the pond in question is the Monsterat pond...this is the same pond that was surveyed by the Persistence crew before they left.  It is probably not very deep...maybe 20 feet at the deep end.  Seems that Caps said the area was blocked off now and no one could get in there....wonder when they did that? A gate would have to be erected along with a fence surrounding it.  I think you can drive up to it in various locations...so it would take some work to seal it off...that is my opinion only. 

Keep in mind that just because the ALE has sealed this area off it is still near the soccer field area...yes...Mum the target area from the predator map and a very convenient location for Joran to walk back to the Mc Donalds.  If it is true, as Caps has said, that there is a forensics team in Aruba it would be interesting to know if they are going to look at anything in that area or did the owners of the Lekker restaurant that borders that area just decide they wanted to seal it off. 

What was found on the survey made by the Persistence team would have to be given to the ALE should there be any reason to search said area...so as I am skeptical that Aruba or the Dutch will do anything other than leave it sealed off for all eternity...I wait to see what they do...I have lost most all my hope for a resolution in this case.

Let's say they find something...a shoe or clothes or even human remains....how will we know?  I don't think anyone would ever know since we are still dealing with the same group of people as before.  My opinion for what it's worth...also remember this about me...I am stupid by Dutch standards so don't take anything I say as fact. 
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« Reply #1414 on: May 06, 2008, 11:06:09 AM »

Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...

Yes, would you like for me to find that map again? I think I know where it is.
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« Reply #1415 on: May 06, 2008, 11:06:42 AM »

Somewhere in the beginning of this thread there are pictures of TES in a very small boat, scanning the pond.

All these Ministers have dirty secrets.

E.G. Rudy Croes likes to go to Montana Aprt 101, not to far from Joran house and hide his USV behinde the building and so to spend the night with this Colombian Girls. He do forget sometimes how many permit does he give to these chineese business people who hire only colombians bar mate in exchange for cases of Heineken and sexual favors. There is so dirt that even after presure wash it still will not come off.

R.C Job before Minister of Justice was an Laboratory analys of feases. How in the world do you have the expertise to know the legal system of Holland and the world. his capacity is zero. he can not managed on their own and thats why they need so many advisors to help him think. it is an island with 110.000 inhabitant and not 100 million and they can not even managed the small size. go wonder.

Now for Booshi Wever. The man that falsificate his Degree to get a Job in the government and them when he was working in his position applied for government grand to go get the real degree.
The man that go to Venezuela and bought himself a strip join and where he was arrested for drug traficing, he paid his way out the problem with drug money. He forgot that as Healt Minister at least the person in charge should be a person in the medical profession and with a Valid Degree to understant the issues at hand. Watch the news these days of the big scandal comming down in the Money laundring in the Healt system. USA allready arrested Miakito Farro who is accused of money laundring in the Labroratory of the government. Today there the AZV is claiming that the laboratory still own them 7.2 million that was supposed to be paid in 2006 now is 2008 and there is no invoices passed from the Laboratory to be paid to the AZV Insurance company. As shango would say follow the music. to much to mention

TBC.
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« Reply #1416 on: May 06, 2008, 11:12:11 AM »

Thanks Lala's for the explanation on the pond. We still don't know if this was the pond that the shin bone post is referring to though. There may not even be a shin bone!

I remember the map very clearly...you don't need to fetch it!
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« Reply #1417 on: May 06, 2008, 11:16:55 AM »

Lala's...didn't we have a map of some type in the first thread...am I thinking of Rob's Predator map and it was smack in the middle?...

Yes, would you like for me to find that map again? I think I know where it is.


CAPS posted a map on page 6 of this thread.  Everything is identified including the apartments and the pond.  We were aksing CAPS about TES returning to further explore the pond.  I think it was ******* who mentioned that it was the first task on their to do list.  I'm not sure where the picture of the TES boat on the pond came from.  OceanExplorer also confirmed that the team had scanned this pond.  He said that it was hot and the work was very hard.  He commented about the boat being small and the men being very large.  To me, learning about this pond was really huge.  I guess it kind of didn't stick with everyone else.  I also tracked down that Steve Croes owns a Zodiak and Renfro's water sports company has Wave Rhinos that would deflate and fit perfectly in the back of Lorenzo's van.
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« Reply #1418 on: May 06, 2008, 11:18:22 AM »

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 15, 2008, 09:46:23 PM
The Night in question, Natalee was brought here.

The pace is called Matty Appartments. There are 6 Apratment in a long row

The Aprtments do not have a number since noboy lives there permanent. The Address is Noort 15-A

It is behind a house and accesavle form the main road, almost 150 meters The Lekker Restaurant.

The night in question, They would not have gone to the WhiteHouse Apartment since it only accept couples and notting else. no group parties. For Paprty one need to use the WhiteHouse Cocktail Lounge.


Now manage the Matty Apartments.

Heidweiller   Carlos R   4/15/1955   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lilian   12/16/1960   Paramaribo   Noord 15A
Heidweiller   Lyndon D   11/12/1964   Paramaribo   Noord 15A

All these people are from Surinam. The guy at the door / office looks like a Hindu


This is a location of where they have gone. That nght. Movie was made in this appartment. Now which Apartment did they use. I do not know. but my guess would be the last one all the way in the back.

Now if you have to make 2 hr movie and she died after that, it would be easy to get rid of the body right there in the murky pool of Monserat. It is just across the street.

and the cleaning of the appartment would have been easy since it is not in view of the street. The house was dusted.

the XTC and the DNA is just accoss from each other.

I still need a name for the escort that provided the service for the deflowering of forbidden fruits that Quido Wever  is part off and the so is Julia Renfro.

See map of the Location.





The Indo Restaurant and V.I.P. Club are next door? 


Afirmative (YES)


SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

I am still lost as to who really owns the Indo...the Kalpoes or someone else...now I am curious about Bulo...I don't think old Bulo that Rob found would be the boyfriend either...does not compute...what does compute is that there is a younger man out there that met Natalee and she was slightly infatuated with him...such as Freddy, Lorenzo, Guido, GVC, and I could go on and on...then also there is Paulus...What about Paulus?  What about the Kalpoes?  What about the Ritz-Carlton story?  We need answers...I too have asked more questions and got less answers...each answer must come in order for there to be any truth...it is demanded of me and of many others. I want to know about this lawyer that Caps said looks like Satish...is he a relative?  I want to know about the Freddy story that his name is an alias or something like that.  I have tons of questions and no answers...my frustration is showing...I need to get some food...I am hungry.   Does everyone on that island have a twin?  Does everyone have multiple names that are all the same?  How many "cool and crazy guys are there?  How many locoman pimps?  Who is Duektohm?  How many dirty hands are there?  Where was this party and other than Shango what proof?  Shango is a poster that most likely spent a great deal of time feeding false info to everyone...and now that we are almost certain who Simian was....who was his source?  Why did he feed us false info too?  Is every single person that ever posted from Aruba part of the cover up?  Can this be as big as some think?  There are so many questions and there are no answers and no one but me seems to care that there is never any clarification of the details....I give up trying to do any good...I am too frustrated to continue any longer.  I have said it would take a miracle for Natalee to be found and the guilty to be punished...maybe I should be praying harder...I don't know any more.
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« Reply #1419 on: May 06, 2008, 11:21:32 AM »

I must have missed the answer to this....WHAT IS BULO'S LAST NAME???

I'm not finding anyone with the name Bulo yet. Not first or last or even nickname.

Found the nic posting at a Mercedes site this morning...and a couple of other possibilities...will check again in a bit!

The Star...Kermits' car, the Synagogue - downtown I think, and the apartment buildings...also on the flag IIRC

Hope this isn't a duplicate, but I seem to have lost my earlier reply to the question of Bulo's name.  In a quick search, I did find this post with an obvious connection.  However, if this is Caps' Bulo, it's curious indeed that one of the security guards would be considered the "boyfriend" from "earlier in the week" and my question would be "Whose boyfriend???"  Anyway, here's the post I found:


reply posted on 14-6-2005 @ 06:25 AM by TheBandit795

Allright!!! They've freed Maka & Bulo!!! (Those are their nicknames)

www.cnn.com...

Btw... I personally haven't seen it, but I've heard that Bill O'Reilly has spread lots of blatant lies about Aruba. (Slavery for prostitution, big drug base etc...) All blatant lies. More reason to ignore Fox News...


The above post is about half-way down at this link:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread145027/pg4

Guess we'll have to wait for Caps to clear up the mystery of Bulo's identity.....

My best to all of you.

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