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« on: April 17, 2008, 08:22:47 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 12:46:21 AM »

Klaas ... any news regarding our Peaches?

Janet

No Janet but I really didn't expect to hear anything until tomorrow.  Hopefully tomorrow Mr. Peaches will drop by and give us an update. 

Just got an update from Peaches husband!!!!!  Give me a second and I'll post it in the Peaches thread.

Great news!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2788.msg374826#msg374826
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 01:38:55 AM »

Thank You Klaas for posting the update on Peaches....Wonderful News Indeed...
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008, 06:12:15 AM »

Posted on: 12:47 am, June 07, 2005

on the carlosandcharlies dot com webpage, in the Shout Only box, there is a shoutout from some detectiveghyno that states "look at the site of the old idian(sic) reservation"


The shout is clearly intended in context of the missing girl.


To be taken seriously? Maybe not, but noteworthy. Anyone familiar w/ an old indian reservation on the island?

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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2008, 07:17:08 AM »

From todays' Diario-aruba.com    Poor Babies...NOT...

Something about Aruba suffering from *negative* publicity...hope some Monkey can give us the Cliff Notes version translated...TYA  Destiny Wink

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ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Den entrevista cu nos redaccion e Abogado mr. Milko Baiz, a elabora tocante e sucedido cu e artista Colombiano Alci Acosta, ken despues cu no a haya permiso pa haci su presentacion na Aruba, a worde stroba pa e abandona nos pais for di e minister concerni cu extranheria, ken pa colmo kier a cobre impuesto.

E abogado a comenta cu berdaderamente tabata tin un concierto planea na Westin Hotel, cu e cantante Alci Acosta, pero na ultimo ora e permiso di trabao a worde nenga. Anto como cu e plannan tabata haci caba pa e bin Aruba, e cantante hunto cu su señora a keda Aruba pa pasa e fin di siman como turista y Diasabra anochi, un radioemisora local a dicidi pa organiza un evento di homenahe pa dicho cantante.

Esaki a tuma lugar sin cu a cobra entrada pa e evento y nan a duna e artista un plaquette como gradicimento pa su carera artistico. El a gradici e gesto door di a toca y canta un par di cantica di su repertorio. Esey ta locual a sosode, unda cu e no a traha, por lo tanto no a ricibi ningun pago pa loke el a haci.

E mester a sali for di Aruba Diadomingo pasa y na Imigracion di Aeropuerto nan a bise cu pa orden di e Minister di Asuntonan di Imigracion Booshi Wever, e no por sali for di Aruba pasobra e a traha y ta debe belasting. Nan no a dune nada por escrito.

Su dialuna despues mr. Baiz a encamina e proceso pa wak kico a sosode y aclareando cu ningun momento e cantante aki a traha na Aruba cu mester a debe belasting. Asina a check cu DIMAS y cu Oficina di Belasting, cual instancianan a bisa cu nan no tin nada.

E ora ey e cantante a bay aeropuerto den oranan di atardi pa e sali, nan a lague pasa pero ora e tabata bayendo pa e porta di salida di su aerolinea, Imigracion a pare y bise cu orden di minister ta cu e no mag di bay.

Abogado Baiz e splica cu locual ta hopi remarcable den e caso aki ta cu e minister cu a dune orden no tin ningun autoridad legal pa duna un orden asina, pero ta otro mandatario, entre otro Minister di Husticia, ta esun cu ta encarga cu e parti di Imigracion mientras cu e minister encarga cu asuntonan di DIMAS no tin autoridad pa esaki.

Kiermen, e orden tabata duna completamente ilegal for di un minister no autoriza y na di dos lugar, no tabata tin ningun motibo pa detene of secuesta e persona aki, pasobra esey ta locual a sosode. Baiz a splica cu ora un persona kier sali for di Aruba pa bay su pais y e ta worde retene y nenga su salida sin motibonan husto pa haci esey, e ta worde SECUESTRA.

Fuera di esey, e cantante a perde un afspraak hopi importante cu e tabata tin na Embahada Mericano pa e haya su Visa ya cu e tin contratonan pa cumpli cu nan na Merca. Abogado Baiz a señala cu tabata un acto hopi bochornoso di un minister cu a haya informacion incorecto y no a bay investiga prome cu duna un orden di tal indole, siendo cu e no tabata ni autoriza pa haci esey.

Abogado Baiz a duna di conoce cu mester a entrega un Kort Geding y net prome cu esaki a tuma lugar, a worde ricibi un yamada di Departamento Huridico bisando cu nan a reconsidera e decision y a avisa e minister y esaki a dicidi pa laga e cantante sali.

Abogado Baiz tin entendi cu tabata tin hopi publicidad negativo pa Aruba relaciona cu e asunto aki. E persona aki ta hopi popular den su pais y e tin hopi conexion, y aunke mr. Baiz no a papia cune ainda kico ta e pasonan legal cu e ta bay tuma, e sa si cu e cantante ta considerando “un ke otro”.

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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2008, 07:55:46 AM »

Posted on: 12:47 am, June 07, 2005

on the carlosandcharlies dot com webpage, in the Shout Only box, there is a shoutout from some detectiveghyno that states "look at the site of the old idian(sic) reservation"


The shout is clearly intended in context of the missing girl.


To be taken seriously? Maybe not, but noteworthy. Anyone familiar w/ an old indian reservation on the island?

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My first thought on this was Arikok National Park.  But then I found this so I'm not so sure.  I couldn't find a true reservation.  The Indianas seem to have been scattered.

Approximately 1000 years ago a different group of people established themselves on the island. These people are named Dabajurans after the "type site" Dabajuro on the mainland (West Venezuela, Falcon State). They named themselves Caquetios, which name is used most of the time. They came from Northwestern Venezuela. The period in which they inhabited the island (1000 to 1515 A.D.) we call the Ceramic Period.

The Caquetios were farmers and cultivated maize and manioc. They lived in villages (100-150 people) situated in Santa Cruz, Sabaneta, Tanki Flip, Tanki Lender and Parkietenbos. All villages were constructed near fresh water gullies (rooi) and near soil suitable for cultivation.


http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/general/musea/archeological.html
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2008, 08:22:26 AM »

Posted on: 12:47 am, June 07, 2005

on the carlosandcharlies dot com webpage, in the Shout Only box, there is a shoutout from some detectiveghyno that states "look at the site of the old idian(sic) reservation"


The shout is clearly intended in context of the missing girl.


To be taken seriously? Maybe not, but noteworthy. Anyone familiar w/ an old indian reservation on the island?

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In 1499, the Spanish explorer, Alonso de Ojeda laid claim to the territory for Spain's Queen Isabella.  Legend has it that de Ojeda named Aruba Oro Hubo, meaning there is gold there.  However, the Spanish did not find the gold they sought, and because they found the climate too arid for cultivating crops, they made little use of the island.  For the next 150 years, Aruba became a retreat for pirates and buccaneers who preyed on the ships carrying Indian treasures back to the Old World.  The ruins of an old pirate castle still remains at Bushiribana, on the northeast coast of the island.

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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 08:29:38 AM »

There was another interesting thing at the above site.  Made me think of all those that said you couldn't bury anyone, on the island and the four boys and a shovel:

The Pre-ceramic Indians buried their dead in family groups under large pieces of limestone. One such family group was found in a cave at Canashito, while many family groups (in total ca. 70 dead) were excavated at Malmok. Their well-organized burial tradition is probably a reflection of their small-scale, well-organized society.

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/general/musea/archeological.html

I would think, if you can bury a whole family, you could bury one girl.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2008, 08:54:26 AM »

http://www.galenfrysinger.com/aruba.htm

Site refers to:  Caquetios Indian and Arawak Tribe


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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2008, 09:07:25 AM »

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I agree Janet.  I have believed this from the very beginning.

Everything is staged.  Even when Joran threw the wine in De Vries' face it was planned by Joran.
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I have also been very uncomfortable with Patrick's video.  In hindsight, I think that most of us probably doubted the video or we wouldn't have continued to search for answers in this forum.  The scenario was nice and neat.  Everything was tied into a nice little package and the world was told what everyone wanted to hear.  This video was an attempt to officially close the case in the eyes of the world, with Beth sitting right there as the queen of the opposition.  Joran walked away with a slap on the wrist and rehab for his addiction problem.  Even the Kalpoes were exhonerated so that they could sue Dr. Phil.

I'm glad that we have continued our quest for the correct answers.  I am glad that if nothing else, Beth should be able to receive monetary compensation from the Sloots based on the contents of the video.  We all know that anything Beth gets won't be coming from the Sloots, but rather from the other corrupt perpetrators.  Go for it Beth, and get everything you can. These people have made your life a living hell.

I'm glad that we caught on to Patrick.  I wonder how much ATAHA paid him for his email asking us not to boycott Aruba?  I hope that we have completely ruined any possibility of success for this book of his.  I hope that nobody buys it because it's a "gold brick" (Rob- the old definition).  Patrick would not be ignoring our email responses right now if his motivation for no boycott had been a personal one. I believe that this entire charade was created when it was learned that Texas EquuSearch was headed back to Aruba.  This tells me we're probably getting close.

Right now, I have a few big questions that I am seeking answers for.
1.  What is the Peter DeVries connection?  If he's involved in the charade, I hope he     
     loses all credibility in Europe and the world. Otherwise, I hope he rips Patrick and
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2.  What is the status of Beth's civil suit? 
3.  What can we do to increase pressure for Joran to be arrested for at least involuntary
     manslaughter and illegal disposal of a body?
4.  What can we do to help TES get back to Aruba?
5.  How can we increase the boycott and put even more economic pressure on Aruba?
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2008, 09:16:11 AM »

Klaas ... any news regarding our Peaches?

Janet

No Janet but I really didn't expect to hear anything until tomorrow.  Hopefully tomorrow Mr. Peaches will drop by and give us an update. 

Just got an update from Peaches husband!!!!!  Give me a second and I'll post it in the Peaches thread.

Great news!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2788.msg374826#msg374826

Fantastic news!! I knew you could do it Peaches!!! Feel beter and hurry back to us. We are so proud of you!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2008, 09:23:42 AM »

Oh Klaaaaas....EARTH QUAKE IN ST LOUIS!!!!

You probably wouldn't even consider it a real earth quake!! lol 5.2-5.4...but it woke me up at 4:30 this morning. I though my fridge was going to blow up...loud noise coming from my kitchen. My doggie and I went to check it out...loud noise was every dish rattling in my cupboard. It was wild!!! That was my 2nd!! Had one in Ohio when I was younger.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2008, 09:36:30 AM »

Oh Klaaaaas....EARTH QUAKE IN ST LOUIS!!!!

You probably wouldn't even consider it a real earth quake!! lol 5.2-5.4...but it woke me up at 4:30 this morning. I though my fridge was going to blow up...loud noise coming from my kitchen. My doggie and I went to check it out...loud noise was every dish rattling in my cupboard. It was wild!!! That was my 2nd!! Had one in Ohio when I was younger.


morning monkeys...long time no see...just doing a quick lookee this am....thought i would jump in! lou...a 5.4 along the new madrid is about equal to a 7.0 in california if my memory serves me! something about the rocky terrain in califronia absorbs the shocks better. the soil along the new madrid magnifies the shocks!
did not wake me up but i am a lot further from the site than you are! i bet it was scary tho!!!
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 09:41:49 AM »

Oh Klaaaaas....EARTH QUAKE IN ST LOUIS!!!!

You probably wouldn't even consider it a real earth quake!! lol 5.2-5.4...but it woke me up at 4:30 this morning. I though my fridge was going to blow up...loud noise coming from my kitchen. My doggie and I went to check it out...loud noise was every dish rattling in my cupboard. It was wild!!! That was my 2nd!! Had one in Ohio when I was younger.


morning monkeys...long time no see...just doing a quick lookee this am....thought i would jump in! lou...a 5.4 along the new madrid is about equal to a 7.0 in california if my memory serves me! something about the rocky terrain in califronia absorbs the shocks better. the soil along the new madrid magnifies the shocks!
did not wake me up but i am a lot further from the site than you are! i bet it was scary tho!!!

not too bad...I had experienced one in Ohio...once I figured out it wasn't my fridge about to blow...hey it was 4:30am..lol...I guessed it was an earthquake. My little guy slept through the whole thing!!!
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 10:18:05 AM »

Oh Klaaaaas....EARTH QUAKE IN ST LOUIS!!!!

You probably wouldn't even consider it a real earth quake!! lol 5.2-5.4...but it woke me up at 4:30 this morning. I though my fridge was going to blow up...loud noise coming from my kitchen. My doggie and I went to check it out...loud noise was every dish rattling in my cupboard. It was wild!!! That was my 2nd!! Had one in Ohio when I was younger.

Quake was quite scary!  I thought the cave system (we live near Mammoth Cave) had opened up and our house was falling in.  The house twisted and shook. SCARED ME.  Now i may need to do work on my home like Klaas is.
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2008, 10:20:34 AM »

Good Morning Everyone,

Hey I just wanted to tell you all that I am working on something truly stellar and something no one has thought about yet (To my knowledge). This goes back to the 1980's and could be a reason why the US Federal Government has not interceded to our satisfaction.

It's going to take me some time to get it all together and see where it leads... but this seems like a very interesting avenue.

I started to connect a few minor dots and it began to look promising... I'm just in the very beginning stages and as I indicated it could take me some time depending on how quickly I can connect those dots.

What's nice about this, I have some names and dates of deaths. I also have a known motive.[/i]

Now I need to connect these people to others. And we all know how that sometimes goes.
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« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2008, 10:25:35 AM »

Klaas ... any news regarding our Peaches?

Janet

No Janet but I really didn't expect to hear anything until tomorrow.  Hopefully tomorrow Mr. Peaches will drop by and give us an update. 

Just got an update from Peaches husband!!!!!  Give me a second and I'll post it in the Peaches thread.

Great news!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2788.msg374826#msg374826

Thank you for posting the update Klaas.

I left the cage immediately following my posting and ... assumed there would be no news until today.  I wish I had checked in prior to settling for the night ... I would have had a better sleep.

I am so thankful ...

Janet
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« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2008, 10:40:42 AM »

Good Morning Everyone,

Hey I just wanted to tell you all that I am working on something truly stellar and something no one has thought about yet (To my knowledge). This goes back to the 1980's and could be a reason why the US Federal Government has not interceded to our satisfaction.

It's going to take me some time to get it all together and see where it leads... but this seems like a very interesting avenue.

I started to connect a few minor dots and it began to look promising... I'm just in the very beginning stages and as I indicated it could take me some time depending on how quickly I can connect those dots.

What's nice about this, I have some names and dates of deaths. I also have a known motive.[/i]

Now I need to connect these people to others. And we all know how that sometimes goes.


Go for it Rob.

Let us know what help you need in digging up the facts.
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« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2008, 10:59:04 AM »

I was thinking ... a miracle as it is only 7:30 am ... late night and ... no morning coffee to clear the cobwets yet.

Patrick receiving that boycott/protest email that was not intended for him was a very good thing in hindsight ... there was a very good lesson learn ...

Never send Patrick an email that you would not be willing to share with the world ... it may get posted in full on his site.

Also ... another good thing.  Patrick's words on his site in response to Vicki's email as well as his words in other responses ... revealed a lot about Patrick ... revealed a lot regarding where he stood on many of the issues encompassing the Natalee Holloway case.

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« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2008, 11:15:34 AM »

SS, I'm making some progress already and not even looking very hard. It all seems to be right here in front of my face.

I could do this all on my own I think, but it might be better to let everyone have a shot and enjoy where it goes.

Does anyone want to take part? It's always more fun when we do things together anyway. I can get it started with my *theory* and then everyone can jump in and do the research they all love to do?

any takers?
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