Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[Lala'sMom]

And if anyone cares to read more this page is a good place to start...conversation continues for a few pages after...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1200

[Tamikosmom]

Maybe ... just maybe ... Beth has it all figured out.

Janet

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Quote from: private eye on April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM
hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692#msg371692

[klaasend]

Maybe ... just maybe ... Beth has it all figured out.

Janet

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Quote from: private eye on April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM
hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692#msg371692

Beth is smart, my money is on her 

[Observer]

I just unregistered myself from Patricks Blog..They registered me without my approval as I was getting the notifications in my email..I really want to puke reading him and His buddy Joraks posts and not allowing ours..I hope no one spends a cent on his book as part of that money probably goes in Jorans pocket for his house in Spain. I am glad he started posting as his true colors have most certainly come out.

[AZSunny]

GBMW ... as time goes on it has been revealed that Joran's words in that video recording was one lie after another.  The three judge panel also came to that conclusion ... that is why Joran was not detained.  I wonder if Beth still has peace or ... she is beginning to reconsider.

I know I am.

Janet

I respect your opinion & I understand where it might come from. What do you think might have happened....at the moment?
But no matter what's to be believed of his confession: Joran has some loose ends in his brain

After seeing Jorans confession I knew right away he wouldn't be arrested. He stated she started shaking, thought she was dead and called a friend...he helped to bring 'the body' to the boat and walked home. The only criminal thing he did, according to his confession / the judges, was to help with the disposal of a body. You don't get a pre-arrest for that according to Dutch Law. So the judges decided he couldn't be arrested again.

Joran lies & has lied during the confession...I think he told the truth within a story.
Why? Because the story before the crucial moments was about 85 / 90 % the same as he has told in his statements + his way of talking / the body language & sitting in the car with his friend...all of that makes me believe there is some truth in that confession. And the way he showed how Natalee shaked...well no doubt in my mind he was there when this happened...I still get sick in my stomach thinking about that moment.

I believe the ALE thinks there is a lot of truth in Jorans confession as well....because they want to charge him with murder or manslaughter (because he / they didn't know for sure she was dead)...they're looking for the back up evidence for this charge.  And they need back up evidence for that charge in order to get a pre arrest. The fact that this hasn't happened yet is dissapointing but investigating takes time...but they are working on it...really they are (and that's not just an opinion ..).

And the fact that some things don't add up...well Joran might have given details to protect helpful friend(s) or didn't tell certain things to protect himself (maybe he did know why Natalee started shaking?)
I believe Joran gave the name Daury just to give a name...he felt Patrick wanted to hear a name and he gave it...so he could continue his story.
The phonecall: well might very well be he didn't make that call from the phonebooth. Didn't Freddie work at the Mariott sometime? Well maybe he had another friend working there (or at another casiono / hotel nearby)...he goes to the hotel / casino and asks his friends phone so he can call home / another friend for a lift / help etc.

I can understand why some people might get some doubts though...(they do come to my mind sometimes as well). But I don't care how many lies he might have told..at the moment I really believe he is involved; no matter what 3 judges decided on it . Of course I might be wrong & it's the wrong kind of thinking...to judge without evidence...well hey...I'm only human

I hope there will be some official information coming out soon....and maybe Patricks book will give some more interesting info.

I agree with most of your thoughts.  I know very well the deviousness the Aruban gov and ALE has brought forth, but I also do not see a lying monster behind every tree.  With all the investigations and research the monkeys have done, I think we are forgetting that there is an element of truth in some of the things we have been  hearing.  I think we should be searching for the truth of that night, not searching for more evil without an open mind that it may or may not have anything to do with Natalee. If it all ties in, so be it, but we are going in so darn many directions now, the truth just becomes more blurred, not clearer.

 I feel that Beth does believe what she saw, and who she talked to while in Holland.  Why are we second guessing her beliefs? When and if she comes forward with more info, I will be right with her in my support, yet I think that we have discovered and uncovered a lot of wrong doing in Aruba, the ABC islands and Holland, and viewing this as a sinister attack on everyone that has lived in these environments is a bit distorted in my mind. We do not know how much of all this is tied into the disappearance and death of Natalee.

JMO I will crawl back into my hole now. 

[Tamikosmom]

Maybe ... just maybe ... Beth has it all figured out.

Janet

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Quote from: private eye on April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM
hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692#msg371692

Beth is smart, my money is on her 

 

Klaas ... Beth is amazing.  She is so perceptive.  Something akin to many of us ... her initial reaction may be from the heart ... hoping against all hope that justice for her daughter will prevail but ... then common sense sets in and reveals to her ... SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!!

The deception has  been coming out of Aruba for almost three years.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! 

Janet

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Beth Twitty
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

BETH: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null

[KarmaRoundUp]

Aruba politics(for those interested):

Beau Beau, Fish first on stage in
tonight’s ‘King of Kings’ clash
PHILIPSBURG--The constitutional change process of the Netherlands Antilles is a mess, member of Aruba’s Council of State Hubert Maduro said in an interview with Dutch World Radio.

He said he believed the Netherlands was approaching the process too much from a judicial point of view, while the human aspect of it should be taken more into account.

“We entered a state of annulment. At this moment there is no hope that we will make something better out of it than the demolition we already caused. There is no vision of how things must continue,” Maduro said.

He said he believed politicians in The Hague should focus much more on finding solutions. “We should be treated as Dutch citizens and solutions should be sought, but we must deal with each other as human beings. We have to discuss the things that we can do together.”

Maduro referred to the model of the European Union as an example. Personally, he is not a supporter of the separate status model. “It doesn’t matter how you look at it. The fact is that it’s six islands that have been together for a long time. The restructuring of the Netherlands Antilles has failed.

“The intelligent people in The Hague have been taken into the process. The only thing they could have come up with is to divide the islands into two separate groups. After the reorganisation it will be a mess.”

He believes Aruba should be more actively involved in the process. “As a country within the Kingdom, Aruba has the task to be more involved. Until now it has stood on the sideline and observed what has been going on, because the island’s point of view was that its status would not be touched.”

Maduro expressed serious doubts whether St. Maarten could obtain a separate status and said he believed the Aruba government had to point this out. He said St. Maarten was a small island with not enough governmental power and Aruba was well aware of what this meant.

“There is only a small group of people in St. Maarten to pull the wagon,” he said. He said he had made his doubts known on several occasions before, but no one would listen to him.

With respect to the plea of former Dutch Minister of Interior Affairs and Kingdom Relations Johan Remkes, currently a Member of the Second Chamber for the VVD party, to create a commonwealth of nations, Maduro said it was “interesting.”

However, he does not consider the idea very serious. Remkes presented his idea last week Thursday during a debate of the Permanent Committee for Aruban and Antillean Affairs of the Dutch Second Chamber.

He said that in light of the constitutional change process being in danger of coming to a complete standstill, the VVD party had thought of alternatives. Remkes said he believed the autonomous status for Aruba, Curaçao and St. Maarten should be reconsidered, as well as the public entity for the BES islands Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba. He opts for a status of special municipality or, what he personally prefers, a variant of the commonwealth of nations model.

Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles Emily de Jongh-Elhage does not believe in Remkes’ option of a commonwealth of nations. She said changing the process in its entirety would mean putting aside the November 2, 2006, Final Accord, which could have a negative effect on the agreements made for 90 per cent debt relief by the Dutch Government.

She believes more in the option of phased implementation of the new statuses, which option Dutch State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten has asked the Council of State to investigate.

The findings of the direction group that has been assessing the constitutional change process thus far will be influential for a new phased plan that has to be decided on during the scheduled political consultation in May.

The Prime Minister lamented that the debt relief would not start in time anymore because St. Maarten wants to discuss the agreements made in January, mainly in the field of good corporate governance.

“Everyone was glad in January with the accord signed and hoped that the debt cancellation could have commenced in July, but now St. Maarten wants to go back on the agreement,” she Prime Minister said. She hopes the issue will be resolved during the political consultation planned for May.
 

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[AZSunny]

Maybe ... just maybe ... Beth has it all figured out.

Janet

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Quote from: private eye on April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM
hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692#msg371692

Beth is smart, my money is on her 

I hope you are right PE...I want some action now!!

[texasmom]

Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: texasmom on April 05, 2008, 11:53:11 AM
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 11:20:17 AM
most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX


Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.   When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????

Title: Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
Post by: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 12:19:19 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote from: texasmom on April 05, 2008, 11:53:11 AM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 05, 2008, 11:20:17 AM
most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX


Caps,
The bolded above is not true!  How could it be?  Patrick was friends with a 12 year old Joran?  I don't think so.....  Patrick was from Aruba but had not lived there for years from what I understand.   When did Patrick serve time for his drug conviction?  Patrick and Peter have both said that Poentje's revelations were not true, if you believe them to be true; write them down and look at the whole picture.  I just don't see it.  If Patrick was indeed as involved with these people, why did he ever go to prison??????


The seven got in there and was under the cursor and I already post it. it should say "friends for years. My Neuron Computer when it start assembling and processing the keys, it go so fast and my fingers can not keep up with it.
That key fits perfectly. Now I need the contracter. it is not MP but there is someone between MP and PvE

Read my post carefully and there is the answer. he will return anonymous. how can you send some one you do not know to jail.

[SS]

I just unregistered myself from Patricks Blog..They registered me without my approval as I was getting the notifications in my email..I really want to puke reading him and His buddy Joraks posts and not allowing ours..I hope no one spends a cent on his book as part of that money probably goes in Jorans pocket for his house in Spain. I am glad he started posting as his true colors have most certainly come out.

I started reading the things that Patrick was saying on his blog and it really made me angry, especially when I was aware of the information that CAPS had shown us.  I just really felt that a few things needed to be put on the table.  I am very tired of playing Aruban games.  I didn't expect to have a response from Patrick, however, because of the magnitude of my challenge, he probably felt that he had to respond in some way, even if he ignored the final sentence in my letter.  When Patrick was in Aruban there was a lot of flack from the Arubans about him only being in this for the money.  I have to feel that many in Aruban probably knew what CAPS later told us.

CAPS IS MY HERO      

[SS]

Maybe ... just maybe ... Beth has it all figured out.

Janet

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Quote from: private eye on April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM
hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692#msg371692

Beth is smart, my money is on her 

 

Klaas ... Beth is amazing.  She is so perceptive.  Something akin to many of us ... her initial reaction may be from the heart ... hoping against all hope that justice for her daughter will prevail but ... then common sense sets in and reveals to her ... SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!!

The deception has  been coming out of Aruba for almost three years.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! 

Janet

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I really believe that Beth and Dave have infromation that they absolutely can't share with us.  I have to believe that Beth knows Patrick's video is a sham.  However, the information in the video is a means by which she can at least now file civil action against the van der Sloots.  In the civil action, they will be asked many questions in court and much information will emerge.  Beth is smart to go along with the contents of this video.  It might be her only chance to get the Sloots in court and under oath.  I hope that they don't offer an out of court settlement, but I won't be surprised if they do.

[SS]

Maybe ... just maybe ... Beth has it all figured out.

Janet

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Quote from: private eye on April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM
hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692#msg371692

Beth is smart, my money is on her 

 

Klaas ... Beth is amazing.  She is so perceptive.  Something akin to many of us ... her initial reaction may be from the heart ... hoping against all hope that justice for her daughter will prevail but ... then common sense sets in and reveals to her ... SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!!

The deception has  been coming out of Aruba for almost three years.  ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! 

Janet

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I really believe that Beth and Dave have infromation that they absolutely can't share with us.  I have to believe that Beth knows Patrick's video is a sham.  However, the information in the video is a means by which she can at least now file civil action against the van der Sloots.  In the civil action, they will be asked many questions in court and much information will emerge.  Beth is smart to go along with the contents of this video.  It might be her only chance to get the Sloots in court and under oath.  I hope that they don't offer an out of court settlement, but I won't be surprised if they do.

Sorry Janet, I jumped in the middle of your post!

[Tamikosmom]

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga
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April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:

Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.
Greetings,
Jorik

PATRICK’S RESPONSE
Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.


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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

[Tamikosmom]

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga
___________

April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:

Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.
Greetings,
Jorik

PATRICK’S RESPONSE
Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.


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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

The dates (years) concern me and ... the names of the Kalpoes.

Could somebody please clarify.

Does CAP provide a source regarding the seven year long relationship with the VDS'.

Thank you.

Janet

[Kermit]

Posted on: 12:47 am, June 07, 2005

on the carlosandcharlies dot com webpage, in the Shout Only box, there is a shoutout from some detectiveghyno that states "look at the site of the old idian(sic) reservation"


The shout is clearly intended in context of the missing girl.


To be taken seriously? Maybe not, but noteworthy. Anyone familiar w/ an old indian reservation on the island?

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was this also a Shango message?

Maybe here

In 1499, the Spanish explorer, Alonso de Ojeda laid claim to the territory for Spain's Queen Isabella.  Legend has it that de Ojeda named Aruba Oro Hubo, meaning there is gold there.  However, the Spanish did not find the gold they sought, and because they found the climate too arid for cultivating crops, they made little use of the island.  For the next 150 years, Aruba became a retreat for pirates and buccaneers who preyed on the ships carrying Indian treasures back to the Old World.  The ruins of an old pirate castle still remains at Bushiribana, on the northeast coast of the island.

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Here are the ruins of the  old pirate castle  at Bushiribana,not far from Joran's place

I did some browsing through Aruban history and came up with the names Arikok Park and Tanki Flip as possible sites for old Indian villages.  I have no idea where on the island these places are located.

I found a reference to Balashi as the location where the gold was originally discovered - gold bricks?

The Archaeological Museum of Aruba

snipped...

The Pre-ceramic Indians buried their dead in family groups under large pieces of limestone. One such family group was found in a cave at Canashito, while many family groups (in total ca. 70 dead) were excavated at Malmok. Their well-organized burial tradition is probably a reflection of their small-scale, well-organized society.
   
Approximately 1000 years ago a different group of people established themselves on the island. These people are named Dabajurans after the "type site" Dabajuro on the mainland (West Venezuela, Falcon State). They named themselves Caquetios, which name is used most of the time. They came from Northwestern Venezuela. The period in which they inhabited the island (1000 to 1515 A.D.) we call the Ceramic Period.

The Caquetios were farmers and cultivated maize and manioc. They lived in villages (100-150 people) situated in Santa Cruz, Sabaneta, Tanki Flip, Tanki Lender and Parkietenbos. All villages were constructed near fresh water gullies (rooi) and near soil suitable for cultivation.

The pottery they manufactured was mainly used for cooking, storage, serving food and transportation. A large scale excavation at Tanki Flip uncovered the remains of several oval houses where extended families (mother, father, children, grandparents, uncles etc.) or multi families (more than one family) resided. Also the floor plan of smaller, round houses for one or two nuclear families (father, mother and children) were found, while also a rectangular ceremonial structure was uncovered.

The Caquetios lived on the island until 1515 when most of them were taken by the Spanish to Santo Domingo/Haiti. It is not known if it were the Caquetios or another group(s) which returned in 1526 with the Spanish. Both the Spanish and this group of Indians left around 1636 when the island was taken by the Dutch.

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/general/musea/archeological.html



 

On 7-12 stated the team searched on the “Marriott Hotel” beach, but the dogs kept getting “hits” because the area they searched was an “old Indian burial ground.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_07.html

[Puzzler]

Buckeye, I believe it is the four suspects. That's it. No Lorenzo, no Daury, no Julia. Dave believes it is Koen also, I give that alot of credibility. I am simply trying to show what could motivate the US government to do nothing.

I believe protecting the tourism was job one. It always was. But every country has a history, and Aruba's history over the last 20 years has been (I can't even find the right word)...I think you know what I mean. When you form partnerships with nefarious characters you are eternally linked to them and you always have the risk that someone will talk. So, getting rid of the people that can link you to those crimes is sometimes the easiest method.

it's not a rumor that drugs were run to the Mena airport... that's a fact...it's also a fact that Aruba is a transport trampoline for drugs. The drugs brought into Mena were delivered by the CIA... that's not a rumor either and every talk show host in the 1990's talked about it during the Clinton years to show how crooked they were when the Governor (Clinton) is powerless to stop Federal officials from carrying out operations directed by the President or Vice President. Federal law supersedes State Law. 

no, it's not all new, but a motivating factor was all I was trying to show.

I find this very interesting.  I think a potential motivating factor has been shown, especially when taken in context with Bacchus' body language and subsequent lack of action after meeting with Arubans behind closed doors.  It's obvious that something unexpected went on during that meeting.  I suspect that the Arubans being angry about the wire taps was only a "piece" of the discussion.

[SS]

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

[Sam]

Rob and Buckeye,
I have been reading your post with great interest.
I know we have some great letter writers here at Scared Monkeys. Has anyone thought about contacting the FBI and asking for some of what they have on the Natalee case under the Freedom Of Information Act?
I do not know how long that material is protected. I know you can request info they may have on yourself.
Just a thought.

[SS]

On 7-12 stated the team searched on the “Marriott Hotel” beach, but the dogs kept getting “hits” because the area they searched was an “old Indian burial ground.”
http://members.aol.com/WorldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline2005_07.html


Kermit,

This is really interesting.  I wonder if this is where the riddle says that the dogs should have been set lose?

[Lala'sMom]

Janet
What does that reference to the Casto tape mean? Do you have any idea? TIA