Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[ldstlou]

Briany wrote:

That's a good idea. Back to the beginning. There are a lot of Dutch readers these days. I also believe in a cover up, but it is also possible that this is about a baby cover up, we do not know.
So what's the story.......

The car was washed before Natalee went in the car? Is that it?

Joran said in the tape The Kalpoe brothers are not involved at all. They had nothing to do with this, Joran said.
Is that possible?

No it's not possible, IMO.  In the least, the Kalpoes were part of the kidnapping of Natalee.  Early reports were that all 3 had sex with her, if that is true then the Kalpoes are also guilty of rape.  There is no way Natalee would voluntary have sex with all thee of them let alone one.  It is possible that the Kalpoes were not present when Natalee died.

morning Klaas!!!

I think this is why we should go back to the beginning. Refresh our memories on the details and educate the new posters and readers.

[Lala'sMom]

Joran sure spent a lot of time trying to throw the Kalpoes under that bus for them to become innocent as the driven snow all of a sudden.  Many rumors and many theories some have Deepak escorting Natalee to the car and others have Satish a little more involved.  Why would Satish feel the need to ask, "How's the girl?" if nothing happened?  Why does Deepak refer to "see that chit" if nothing happened.  Regardless of what anyone says, they were there at some point and unless they are complete fools to allow to happen to them what has happened...they are involved.  As I have often said...Deepak was the person in the driver's seat and he had the opportunity to protect Natalee that night...he could have been a man and took her back to her hotel or even insisted she get out of that car.  He didn't...he allowed a young woman to be taken advantage of knowing she was not able to defend herself at the moment...that alone implicates him in this entire mess. No one gets a free pass from me.

[SS]

This is Patrick's response to my blog post this morning.  It's like talking to a six year old.

April 19th, 2008 at 4:27 am

Justice for Natalee Holloway said:


Boycott = a group’s NONVIOLENT refusal to have commerical dealings with an organization in protest against its policies.

PATRICK’S RESPONSE

A boycott is a violent instrument, which hurts the little people most, actually the people who are always the biggest victims of crime. The only non-violent protest against crime takes place in a court-of-law or in democratic institutions (with all their failings). However a focused boycott can be a good instrument, for instance against a company that makes products through child labor. Of course that also hurts the little people working in that company and that is why such a boycott should only be called for when the evidence is based on pure facts and not consipracy theories, judged by people who are trained to do so.

All this response says to me is that it's still the same mindset as we all have dealt with for almost 3 years...the 3 year anniversary is approaching fast.  My only response would be to ask this...If the boycott was so distasteful in Patrick's mouth why did he not say so when he had the opportunity while giving interviews and such?  This boycott thing seems to be the sole reason for doing what he did...oops! I forgot, and to obtain money...so it appears to me that there is much fence straddling here on his part.  Funny, he didn't realize that a simple confession of an accident on Joran's part and the unknown Daury disposal would put this all behind Aruba and actually make him a hero in their eyes. I never trusted him and still don't.  W

I agree Mom.  The primary thing that led me to the video as a probable sham was the use of the name Daury Rodriguez.  That name came out of nowhere on the video and within a few weeks either way of the video release, Daury Rodriguez and his family ended up in NJ and NY jails for the exact amount (8 kilos) of heroin.  There is an 8 kilo connection here.  When Patrick was arrested, how much was in his possession?  Was Daury part of a drug deal that went bad and resulted in Patrick's arrest?  This is why I have felt that Joran could have been prepped for the video.  First he said that he could never reveal the name and then suddenly, Daury Rodriguez is on every airwave.

[MumInOhio]

Briany wrote:

That's a good idea. Back to the beginning. There are a lot of Dutch readers these days. I also believe in a cover up, but it is also possible that this is about a baby cover up, we do not know.
So what's the story.......

The car was washed before Natalee went in the car? Is that it?

Joran said in the tape The Kalpoe brothers are not involved at all. They had nothing to do with this, Joran said.
Is that possible?

No it's not possible, IMO.  In the least, the Kalpoes were part of the kidnapping of Natalee.  Early reports were that all 3 had sex with her, if that is true then the Kalpoes are also guilty of rape.  There is no way Natalee would voluntary have sex with all thee of them let alone one.  It is possible that the Kalpoes were not present when Natalee died.

morning Klaas!!!

I think this is why we should go back to the beginning. Refresh our memories on the details and educate the new posters and readers.

LOL...Major migraine coming on...Tried this a while ago with the PV's, MSM-Nancy, Greta etc, and the FP posts, ROBs and then ventured to other forums. Have to tell you I only got as far as about June 11th.

Not an easy task!!

[MumInOhio]

Briany wrote:

That's a good idea. Back to the beginning. There are a lot of Dutch readers these days. I also believe in a cover up, but it is also possible that this is about a baby cover up, we do not know.
So what's the story.......

The car was washed before Natalee went in the car? Is that it?

Joran said in the tape The Kalpoe brothers are not involved at all. They had nothing to do with this, Joran said.
Is that possible?

No it's not possible, IMO.  In the least, the Kalpoes were part of the kidnapping of Natalee.  Early reports were that all 3 had sex with her, if that is true then the Kalpoes are also guilty of rape.  There is no way Natalee would voluntary have sex with all thee of them let alone one.  It is possible that the Kalpoes were not present when Natalee died.

morning Klaas!!!

I think this is why we should go back to the beginning. Refresh our memories on the details and educate the new posters and readers.

LOL...Major migraine coming on...Tried this a while ago with the PV's, MSM-Nancy, Greta etc, and the FP posts, ROBs and then ventured to other forums. Have to tell you I only got as far as about June 11th.

Not an easy task!!

Sorry...RBN - here at SM. Problem was, the more I read, the more questions I had, and then I had to post more, which led to more discussion, which lead to more searching for answers, which led to no more back reading time...LOL

[SS]

Joran sure spent a lot of time trying to throw the Kalpoes under that bus for them to become innocent as the driven snow all of a sudden.  Many rumors and many theories some have Deepak escorting Natalee to the car and others have Satish a little more involved.  Why would Satish feel the need to ask, "How's the girl?" if nothing happened?  Why does Deepak refer to "see that chit" if nothing happened.  Regardless of what anyone says, they were there at some point and unless they are complete fools to allow to happen to them what has happened...they are involved.  As I have often said...Deepak was the person in the driver's seat and he had the opportunity to protect Natalee that night...he could have been a man and took her back to her hotel or even insisted she get out of that car.  He didn't...he allowed a young woman to be taken advantage of knowing she was not able to defend herself at the moment...that alone implicates him in this entire mess. No one gets a free pass from me.

I agree that the Kalpoes were definitely involved.  They were part of the kidnapping and Deepak at least was probably part of the rape.  I think that a lot of focus was put on the Kalpoes by both the press and Paulus because they were the ones who were seen driving away with Natalee.  I have always wondered if the original gambling/video party took place at one location (Matty's Apartments?) and then Natalee was driven to the Sloot home.  At that point, the Kalpoes might have left and gone home to wash their car.  I think that the Kalpoes have been scared and rewarded by Paulus and the higher powers.  I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't part of her actual death.

[San]

This is Patrick's response to my blog post this morning.  It's like talking to a six year old.

April 19th, 2008 at 4:27 am

Justice for Natalee Holloway said:


Boycott = a group’s NONVIOLENT refusal to have commerical dealings with an organization in protest against its policies.

PATRICK’S RESPONSE

A boycott is a violent instrument, which hurts the little people most, actually the people who are always the biggest victims of crime. The only non-violent protest against crime takes place in a court-of-law or in democratic institutions (with all their failings). However a focused boycott can be a good instrument, for instance against a company that makes products through child labor. Of course that also hurts the little people working in that company and that is why such a boycott should only be called for when the evidence is based on pure facts and not consipracy theories, judged by people who are trained to do so.

All this response says to me is that it's still the same mindset as we all have dealt with for almost 3 years...the 3 year anniversary is approaching fast.  My only response would be to ask this...If the boycott was so distasteful in Patrick's mouth why did he not say so when he had the opportunity while giving interviews and such?  This boycott thing seems to be the sole reason for doing what he did...oops! I forgot, and to obtain money...so it appears to me that there is much fence straddling here on his part.  Funny, he didn't realize that a simple confession of an accident on Joran's part and the unknown Daury disposal would put this all behind Aruba and actually make him a hero in their eyes. I never trusted him and still don't.  W

I agree.

[briany]

Why did VdS prevented the search of his own house?
If your son is a suspect in a murdercase that not a very logical thing to do for a lawyer, or?

Maybe the Kalpoe brothers dropped Joran and Natalee somewere.

In the first reports I do not read anything about sex with Nathalee and the Kalpoe brothers.

Maybe they helped hiding the body the next day for money. Beth told in her book the Kalpoe brothers were sandy when she saw the Kalpoe brothers.

Just a speculation.

[Lala'sMom]

SS
The fact that Joran even mention the name Daury makes me suspicious.  You would be this way too if you had seen some of the crap spewed forth from the likes of Julia and her minions at another location I won't mention again...the vile posts on so many sites has hardened me to the point that nothing I read or hear do I take as gospel until those saying it are willing to defend it.  That is why I carry Old Fart's bag of salt with me at all times.

[Magnolia]

Why the big deal about a boycott?  Aruba says that all is fine
and the boycott has had no impact.  According to their official stats
tourism has never been better.  Only three state governors in the
US backed Beth in the boycott.  How can three states matter?

I believe that Aruba's own actions have contributed more to the
lack of tourists than anything else.

It is another case of blaming the victim

[San]

Sorry, hit post before my thoughts were complete...trying to listen to the Pope and type at the same time....what I was going to say was this...

We must be cautious and suspicious of all that remove Joran and the Kalpoes from any guilt in this case. Those identified from the beginning are still involved in some way.  Even the lower ranks in ALE seemed to want to help until the pressure was placed and they began to shut up out of fear. Too many on Aruba have been silenced into submission. We must question any and all motives until there is proof beyond doubt that what someone says is true..otherwise we are all like sheep being led over the cliff. Take RU for example.

I agree again 

Basically as soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession that was all the proof I needed.  It raised my eyebrows and I said hummm something isn't right here.  Besides Joran's actions in the car which was proof enough for me to believe this was another hatched plan by Aruba.

AND THIS YEARS RAZZIE AWARDS GO TO.

[dennisintn]

[/quote]

Welcome Briany!!!
I agree with you. I think Patrick's tapes are very legitimate. Hindsight is 20/20, it's easy to look at the tapes now and ask why he didn't say this, or ask that...he did the best he could in the moment..imho.
I think what is happening is the arrogance that Patrick shows now, is starting to cloud our good judgement on what a great deed he did with those tapes...but in all honesty, only someone as arrogant as Patrick could have jumped in that car and drove him around for 5 months trying to extract the truth. Every trait has a positive and a negative impact on people in different scenarios. Patrick is what he is, he rubbed me wrong with his comments and letter on the Boycott and protests, by I am trying to separate that from what he did with joran and the tapes, but it is that same arrogance that also caused him to become involved in the case and get joran to confess what he did. Is it the whole truth? We all know it isn't, but I think it is clearly a big chunk of the truth, eveidenced by the questions Jug and Beth were asked immediately about Natalee's medical history. I think it does bring Beth and her family and friends some peace, I think it definately brings Beth some vindication, because as she said, THAT is the joran she knew...the one in the tapes, and now the rest of the world knows.
I also firmly believe joran never had any idea he was being taped. My opinion only, all I have to do is look at the interviews he did as compared to those tapes...his true colors came out in thosed taped recordings. For that I am very thankfor to Patrick.

I thought alot about Patrick's responses to the protests and boycott...he responded to two of my e-mails...deleted another..lol...and his responses really worked me up!!! But I think that we and Patrick know two different sides of Aruba. I believe he is very sincere in his defense of Aruba because he knows the everyday people of Aruba and they are good to him. We are sincere in our dislike and distrust of Aruba, and we all know the reasons for that!! I will respect Patrick's defense of Aruba although I will never buy it and will continue to protest at travel shows. I am very dissappointed he did not show me the same respect, but I can't take away what he did to move this case again with those tapes.
[/quote]

i totally agree with you, idsltlou.  and why, if peter and patrick were in cahoots with the "save jvds" crowd, why would they have allowed him to show himself as the misogynistic sociopath we've know for almost 3 years.  if this was all planned, jvds would have shown up planning on opening a new orphans and children's home instead of planninng a marijuana plantation.  patrick got lied to a lot in those tapes, jvds is a mental case but he isn't stupid.  really, the only thing jvds didn't lie about to some extent was that he was with natalee when she died.  or was thought dead.  that's the first and only time we know of that he's admitted that to anyone other than the people who helped him dispose of natalee's body.  my own opinion is that natalee died of daterape drugs or violently by jvds' hands as she resisted his advances.  there is absolutely no other explanation for not calling 911 and leaving her on the beach for the emt's  and police to find.

as far as castro's tape is concerned, it was done with no other intention in mind than to discredit peter and patrick's work.  castro is as much a part of the aruban disinformation crowd as gielen and renfro.  anything the 3 of them say is assumed to be full of lies and totally biased against natalee and her family, and they have the complete backing of the aruban govt. and tourism organizations for their lies and disinformation.

if you read rudy croes' outburst about banning the sloot's from the island, he does not condemn jvds for what he had done to natalee.  he condemns him for reopening the wounds to the islands reputation and tourism business by not continuing to hide out and let the case die as they have all expected and worked toward. now, with the whole world knowing what kind of person jvds is, and that the island and his family have known about jvds' true nature, they cannot continue with their plans to just close every thing down.
dennisintn

[San]

Why the big deal about a boycott?  Aruba says that all is fine
and the boycott has had no impact.  According to their official stats
tourism has never been better.  Only three state governors in the
US backed Beth in the boycott.  How can three states matter?

I believe that Aruba's own actions have contributed more to the
lack of tourists than anything else.

It is another case of blaming the victim

Magnolia I agree with your entire post.

[SS]

Joran sure spent a lot of time trying to throw the Kalpoes under that bus for them to become innocent as the driven snow all of a sudden.  Many rumors and many theories some have Deepak escorting Natalee to the car and others have Satish a little more involved.  Why would Satish feel the need to ask, "How's the girl?" if nothing happened?  Why does Deepak refer to "see that chit" if nothing happened.  Regardless of what anyone says, they were there at some point and unless they are complete fools to allow to happen to them what has happened...they are involved.  As I have often said...Deepak was the person in the driver's seat and he had the opportunity to protect Natalee that night...he could have been a man and took her back to her hotel or even insisted she get out of that car.  He didn't...he allowed a young woman to be taken advantage of knowing she was not able to defend herself at the moment...that alone implicates him in this entire mess. No one gets a free pass from me.

I agree that the Kalpoes were definitely involved.  They were part of the kidnapping and Deepak at least was probably part of the rape.  I think that a lot of focus was put on the Kalpoes by both the press and Paulus because they were the ones who were seen driving away with Natalee.  I have always wondered if the original gambling/video party took place at one location (Matty's Apartments?) and then Natalee was driven to the Sloot home.  At that point, the Kalpoes might have left and gone home to wash their car.  I think that the Kalpoes have been scared and rewarded by Paulus and the higher powers.  I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't part of her actual death.

Mom,

     In addition to the name Daury Rodriguez, I started to question the simplistic way in which everything in the tragedy was resolved.  The world knows that Joran has responsibility, but the tape minimizes it and if he were to go to trial based on the contents of the tape, his only charge would probably be involuntary manslaughter and possibly illegal disposal of a body.  Based on the murder options, this wouldn't be bad.  Those involved with the bigger video/gambling parties are completely left out.  Satish and Deepak are left out and this would take care of concerns that they would sing.  Paulus and other adults are removed from the scenario.  The friends of Joran who have been arrested and interviewed are left out.  Joran has a constant joint in his mouth which gives Joe Taco a great defense for drug addiction and the poor kid didn't know what he was doing.  Look how fast he was sent to rehab, when the world had known he was involved with drugs and alcohol for years.  A drug addiction diagnosis is a whole lot milder than a personality disorder diagnosis.  The world would see that Beth had finally received an explanation for Natalee's death and to throw some icing on the cake, Daury Rodriguez was pulled in to possibly settle a score that has nothing to do with Natalee Holloway.  The video is too clean and it smacks of an Aruba coverup.  Afterall, aren't we finding that these Arubans are very experienced with video tapes?

[klaasend]

Sorry, hit post before my thoughts were complete...trying to listen to the Pope and type at the same time....what I was going to say was this...

We must be cautious and suspicious of all that remove Joran and the Kalpoes from any guilt in this case. Those identified from the beginning are still involved in some way.  Even the lower ranks in ALE seemed to want to help until the pressure was placed and they began to shut up out of fear. Too many on Aruba have been silenced into submission. We must question any and all motives until there is proof beyond doubt that what someone says is true..otherwise we are all like sheep being led over the cliff. Take RU for example.

I agree again 

Basically as soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession that was all the proof I needed.  It raised my eyebrows and I said hummm something isn't right here.  Besides Joran's actions in the car which was proof enough for me to believe this was another hatched plan by Aruba.

AND THIS YEARS RAZZIE AWARDS GO TO.

OMG San, that is priceless! 

[johan555]

Welcome Briany

Welcome Briany

[Buckeye]

Why did VdS prevented the search of his own house?
If your son is a suspect in a murdercase that not a very logical thing to do for a lawyer, or?

Maybe the Kalpoe brothers dropped Joran and Natalee somewere.

In the first reports I do not read anything about sex with Nathalee and the Kalpoe brothers.

Maybe they helped hiding the body the next day for money. Beth told in her book the Kalpoe brothers were sandy when she saw the Kalpoe brothers.

Just a speculation.

Links no longer work.



An online newspaper, AM Digital, hosted at Aruba.com has reported that the three men involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance claimed to have had sexual relations with the 18 year old Alabama high school senior at the beach prior to returning her to her hotel at approximate 2 AM. A pdf file of the publication is available on this page. Look for the AM Digital link at left.

http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

Authorities
                decided to comb the
                above mentioned area
                after interrogating
                the three young men
                that were last seen
                with Natalee. The
                three young men
                declared that the took
                Natalee to that area,
                had s*x with her, and
                then dropped her at the
                Holiday Inn Resort. The
                security cameras
                of the resort
                however do not
                show her entering
                the hotel at any
                time that evening.
                As a result of this
                the three witnesses
                who saw her last
                now become
                suspects.
                then dropped her at the
                security cameras
                of the resort
                however do not
                show her entering
                the hotel at any
                time that evening.
                As a result of this
                the three witnesses
                who saw her last
                now become
                suspects.
               


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/316295p-270617c.html


Plenty of early reports of all three involved.

If there was a beach, I have always felt it was Arashi.

[SS]

San, you are too funny.

[Tamikosmom]

Hi all,

one question to ask your self.

Why in all the interviews tapes that I review this week of Scareface (Patric), he never asked about the cops or asked Joran why did you not call the Police ?

Answer:

In 2002 Patrick brother open a water sport business in Aruba. Trough his brother in 2003 he knew Joran already and his dad and Famaly in Holland.

in holland he lives 15 min drive from the sloot town. He lives in a trailer park. He was a business and knew the sloot Famaly all the time. they allways where friends in Holland.

To find these info, you have to go and search in Dutch for info about these people. There is alot good info about Scareface.

Now one more question:

Patrick called Joran "Maton" means Killer, but if we are friends for a long time, this is welcome, and even both of them knowings that one of them did not do it. So who did it between them, Joran did not do it, he is the scapegoad. The Gesture was welkome to Joran. But Joran can not call him (Patrick) a Moton (Killer) becuase this will be exposing to much of patrick. There is a saying that the real killer will always call the one that did not do notting a killer as a Joke.

Remember there is the Sacrefice and their is the sacrefice. both are persons, one is a Person that will sit-in for the real scarefice (Killer)

To call someone a Moton is an insult. but only a friend that has killed before can use that 

Patrick's explanation ... not friendship but common nationality ... common language is the reason for the "lingo".

Caps ... is your contention that Patrick had known Joran prior to the encounter in the casino based on anything other than the Castro interview.  There are youtube videos of that interview ... What is the correct English translation in regards to what Patrick actually said?

Thank you

Janet

+++++++

Meet the Man Who Got Van Der Sloot to Talk About Holloway's Disappearance
Patrick van der Eem Gives the Inside Story to ABC News
By CHRIS CUOMO and CHRIS FRANCESCANI
Feb. 4, 2008

The entire operation began by chance in a Dutch casino. Van der Eem, a bold and emotional Dutch businessman who had never met van der Sloot before but followed the case with a passion, ran into his eventual target and claimed he decided on the spot to try and get inside the head of a man he believed had disgraced their nation.

"Getting involved is hard, you know, but I knew if I could have done something, or can do in the future, I will," he said.

"And when you saw him in the casino,'' ABC News' Chris Cuomo asked him, "you said this is your chance?"

"And I will finish him,'' van der Eem replied, explaining that he'd grown frustrated watching van der Sloot tell one news organization after another that the Aruban people are "with'' him.

"The Aruban people are good people who will give you the trust, because the justice system sometimes fails a little bit. But I knew there was something wrong in this story,'' van der Eem said.

Van der Eem adopted a strategic approach.

He walked up to van der Sloot and said without introduction, "Hey murderer'' in Papiamento, the official language of Aruba.

He said he knew that "nobody on the other table would understand what I said to him because we live here in Holland and … we talk Dutch.''

After getting van der Sloot's attention, van der Eem said, "I went, 'How are you doing? Fine?' And I walked away. I went smoking a cigarette. And two minutes later he came [over].''

Van der Eem struck up a conversation with van der Sloot and began asking him how he spent his summer. The young man replied that he played poker and smoked marijuana, van der Eem said, and the "game was started."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=1
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/Story?id=4236425&page=2

[Kermit]

This is Patrick's response to my blog post this morning.  It's like talking to a six year old.

April 19th, 2008 at 4:27 am

Justice for Natalee Holloway said:


Boycott = a group’s NONVIOLENT refusal to have commerical dealings with an organization in protest against its policies.

PATRICK’S RESPONSE

A boycott is a violent instrument, which hurts the little people most, actually the people who are always the biggest victims of crime. The only non-violent protest against crime takes place in a court-of-law or in democratic institutions (with all their failings). However a focused boycott can be a good instrument, for instance against a company that makes products through child labor. Of course that also hurts the little people working in that company and that is why such a boycott should only be called for when the evidence is based on pure facts and not consipracy theories, judged by people who are trained to do so.

All this response says to me is that it's still the same mindset as we all have dealt with for almost 3 years...the 3 year anniversary is approaching fast.  My only response would be to ask this...If the boycott was so distasteful in Patrick's mouth why did he not say so when he had the opportunity while giving interviews and such?  This boycott thing seems to be the sole reason for doing what he did...oops! I forgot, and to obtain money...so it appears to me that there is much fence straddling here on his part.  Funny, he didn't realize that a simple confession of an accident on Joran's part and the unknown Daury disposal would put this all behind Aruba and actually make him a hero in their eyes. I never trusted him and still don't.  W

May be you expect too much of Patrick. He delivered the tape. That's it. De case was closed and now it is (hopefully still) open again. He has a different opinion about boycotting Aruba than some other people. So what!

Maybe for the new posters, we should go back to the beginning and lay out the history of the cover-up, characters, etc. Heck, I could use a refresher course too. I would love to put it all together with the newer info we have now. I think the newer posters should also go through the timeline, witness statements etc. It will also show althought I believe joran told part of the story...it is not all of the truth...so they don't think we are just conspiracy nuts!!! lol

I guess we should keep them away from the 'Shango' thread then!...

lol

That's a good idea. Back to the beginning. There are a lot of Dutch readers these days. I also believe in a cover up, but it is also possible that this is about a baby cover up, we do not know.
So what's the story.......

The car was washed before Natalee went in the car? Is that it?

Joran said in the tape The Kalpoe brothers are not involved at all. They had nothing to do with this, Joran said.
Is that possible?

Welcome to SM

“In the early morning hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleaned his sliver Nissan, claiming that it had “ants” in it
(source: CIVIL SUIT filed in New York)



June 05, 2005
An online newspaper, AM Digital, hosted at Aruba.com has reported that the three men involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance claimed to have had sexual relations with the 18 year old Alabama high school senior at the beach prior to returning her to her hotel at approximate 2 AM


VAN SUSTEREN: Has the prosecutor ever said to you, Beth, I'm convinced he's guilty of committing a crime against your daughter?
TWITTY: She has said that she is convinced that this was a sex crime that involved at least two of these individuals, and she had specifically told me that.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,170558,00.html

MANSUR: they have a very solid case on sexual assault.  There have been admissions to that fact, so the police and the prosecution can move forward on that basis


"Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice," said Cohen.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/01/18/steve-cohen-two-of-the-boys-said-they-had-consensual-sex-with-her-really/
http://www.caribvoice.org/travel&tourism.html



JANUARY 19, 2006
On the website of the Task Force, Aruba Truth is an article on Cohen’s speech at a conference of the Caribbean Hotel Association (CHA) in Puerto Rico, in which he said that two of the boys had consensual sex with Holloway.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/fun-images/arubatruthcohen011806.JPG
http://www.amigoe.com/english/


Dr. Phil question to John Q. Kelly:
Dr. Phil directs his next question to John. "Your clear belief is that there is evidence already, just in the boys' own words, that constitutes enough of a confession for them to be prosecuted at least for inappropriate sexual conduct, and/or rape, true?"