Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[CapsLockWizard]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

[Lala'sMom]

Briany
What do you think happened at the Sloots and do you think the Kalpoes may have been sucked into a situation they couldn't handle at the time?  I am confused on the baby cover up...is that your way of saying it was just a small cover up by only a few?  Not sure I agree at this time, since the entire island seems to be in super silent mode as to any blame casting...but I am always open for changing my mind should the evidence support it as such.

[briany]

2:26-2:34 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone (DZNH)
2:34 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on van der Sloot computer (CRD)

2:38 am:
Deepak sends Joran a message telling him that he is waiting for him to get home and go online, and after that he will go to sleep (D 6/11)

Joran sends Deepak a message saying when he gets home he will go online (D 6/11)

2:46 am: Deepak sends Joran a message: "When you get home, miscall me" (DZNH)

Deepak goes back to chatting on the computer with Croes. He tells Croes that Joran is walking home and he is waiting up for him. (D 6/11)

Think about this. I do not mean that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this at all, but it is possible that they dropped her at the VdS's house, that's all I wanted to say. The fact that VdS did not want to have searched his house is very suspicious for a lawyer who wants to claim his son is innocent.

For your information: I think Julia Renfro, Renee Gielen and others are presenting the most silly idea's by blaming Natalee and her mother. Besides that, I do not believe in fortunetellers.

[Lala'sMom]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Hey Caps!!  I see what you are saying... it was in Holland that he lived near the Sloot family...you didn't mean in Aruba.  In Aruba he lived near the Kalpoes. Now that makes some sense. Thanks.

BTW, you know I can't read Dutch. LOL

[Observer]

Interesting post from the archives as this poster says PVDS was a liason between the Dutch and Aruban Govt's..I think back to when Anita spoke of LVR recently in the paper..She admits Joran and LVR met when they first arrived in Aruba but lies saying LVR was 2-3years older then Joran.
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RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning
« Reply #334 on: June 24, 2005, 04:16:38 AM »
Quote from: "Itawamba"
What can you tell me about this Lorenzo... so I can do some research on him. All I know is that he suppose to a son to Paulus Van Der Sloot.


He's allegedly 26-27 years old.  IF the vdSloot part of his story is true, which I still doubt highly, he would most likely have been born in Holland, possibly Arnehm, where Paulus lived when he was married to Anita and they had Joran.

(I don't know that Arnehm is Paulus's hometown, but it's a known place to start.)  We've heard that Paul was a school teacher before he got into government service in Aruba 10 years ago and did whatever legal training he is supposed to have, whether he has a law degree or not.

Paulus's job in Aruba for the past few years has been as one of the department of Liaison between The Netherlands and Aruba--and I believe, others of the Dutch Antilles.  That is KABNAA and he was appointed to a 3-year term ending in Jan 2006, except that he evidently has been let go since all this started.

So, who is Lorenzo's mother?  Could it be the Deborah vRijn in Oranjestad, perhaps a widow, or is that just too easy?

Lorenzo's "father" on Aruba is said to have been the Volkswagen dealer on the island and he committed suicide three years ago.  The VW dealership that is there now is:

R & S Automotive N.V.
Address: Barcadera 4
Phone: (297) 585-3004 / (297) 585-3008
Fax: (297) 585-9115

Note that it's on Barcadera, not sure exactly where that address is, but one of the very earliest searches for Natalee was in the Barcadera area.  I suppose someone could call them and ask questions about the former (late) owner.  He was said to be well known, obviously, since he was a car dealer who needed to have his company name out in the public.

Lorenzo is said to have two homes on far opposite sides of the island--one a mansion and one brightly painted (may be the same one).  Other vague details are that he has a basement in one of these houses, which is rare on Aruba (if not non-existent, IMO); that he gives "underground" parties, meaning *raves*, which are unruly and unsupervised;  that he is "crazy" himself, or perhaps "touched in the head" since his father's death; that he owns a speedboat; and that he was called in for questioning in Nat's disappearance, just before SG Croes was, but he was not detained.

[Lala'sMom]

2:26-2:34 am: Joran calls Deepak from his cell phone (DZNH)
2:34 am: Joran's younger brother Valentijn on van der Sloot computer (CRD)

2:38 am:
Deepak sends Joran a message telling him that he is waiting for him to get home and go online, and after that he will go to sleep (D 6/11)

Joran sends Deepak a message saying when he gets home he will go online (D 6/11)

2:46 am: Deepak sends Joran a message: "When you get home, miscall me" (DZNH)

Deepak goes back to chatting on the computer with Croes. He tells Croes that Joran is walking home and he is waiting up for him. (D 6/11)

Think about this. I do not mean that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this at all, but it is possible that they dropped her at the VdS's house, that's all I wanted to say. The fact that VdS did not want to have searched his house is very suspicious for a lawyer who wants to claim his son is innocent.

For your information: I think Julia Renfro, Renee Gielen and others are presenting the most silly idea's by blaming Natalee and her mother. Besides that, I do not believe in fortunetellers.

I think we are on the same page...just doesn't sound like it.  It is entirely possible that the Kalpoes did nothing but drop Joran and Natalee off at the Sloots...only thing is how do you explain them saying they left both of them on the beach.  Remember, the Kalpoes are the ones that after that initial lie and subsequent boondoggle by Steve Croes never wavered in their beach story again. As far as I can tell they still maintain they left Joran and Natalee on the beach by the Marriott.  The same place that Joran now says is where he last saw Natalee alive.  Also, there is cell evidence that one of Joran's calls was made near the area of the McDonald's around 2:26 AM.  Joran was not at his house and I doubt he walked all the way from his house with Natalee in tow to the beach.  Too many gaps in the timelines. Jury is still out on this one also.

[Tamikosmom]

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Thanks Caps

My youngest son's Dutch American inlaws will be coming to a family gathering tomorrow at our home.  Maybe his FIL will translation the article and ... I will post it on the forum.

Janet

[Observer]

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Thanks Caps!

   
ALMELO - The man who act on behalf of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries using a hidden camera Joran van der Sloot a "confession" has ontfutseld, is the origin of Antillean entrepreneur Patrick van der Eem.
See also:

     * No arrest warrant Joran

This 34-year-old Joran knowledge of floats since July 2003 on a franchise basis case snakes and slangkoppelingen in Almelo (under the name Pirtek), but lives in a recreatiebungalow in the Gelderse Lathum, east of Velp.

Van der Eem was born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a Water SPorts business. His brother who taught Joran van der Sloot and Patrick together. Patrick has himself last autumn when Peter R. De Vries. According to De Vries, Van der Eem a total of five months' undercoveroperatie "against Joran van der Sloot cooperated. He has a monthly expenses of Euro 5000, a total of 25,000 euros.

If home in the Netherlands, Van der Eem a bungalow in the 700-hectare recreation Rhederlaag in Lathum (Zevenaar town). On a 25-acre peninsula in the Rhedermeer lies the bungalow and villapark Riverparc with 350 Recreational. It is 15 minutes from Arnhem, the official residence of Joran van der Sloot. Last Friday he was still partying all evening in Arnhem discovered in Manhattan nightclub. Since Saturday he is hiding. From various sides was reported Saturday that he would stay in Drachten, but it turned out later to a persoonsverwisseling to go.

Van der Eem Almelose opened the establishment on July 14, 2003. Employs eight people. The company is located at the Van der Hoopweg on the industrial Turfkade A. Here yesterday was nobody in sight. Pirtek was reached at an emergency phone. The centralist did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, it was the news about the friendship between Van der Eem and Van der Sloot early penetrated. About Van der Eem were no data available.

[briany]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Hey Caps!!  I see what you are saying... it was in Holland that he lived near the Sloot family...you didn't mean in Aruba.  In Aruba he lived near the Kalpoes. Now that makes some sense. Thanks.

BTW, you know I can't read Dutch. LOL

What's wrong with the article? Nothing new.

[CapsLockWizard]

The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later

[johan555]

briany ... something akin to Julia Renfro, Rene Gielen and Angela Dilorenzo as well as others ... you attempt to create smokescreens to direct the focus off the the suspects ... onto the victim and her family.

I will not go there.

Excuses me

I have the impression that some people on the Scared Monkeys only want to concentrate on blaming Patrick and the boycot.

Why did VdS not want to have searched his own house?

Nobody answers?

I wonder if you really want this solves. If people ask reasonable questions you start blaming people. Come on.
I only want to help and am not interested in boycotting or not boycotting Aruba whatsoever.

Briany…It is not that I did not want to respond, but was posting in another thread. Ben Voking and and Judge Wit(IIRC)otherwise it was Smid, another friend, both friends of Paulus stopped the search.

I am sorry, but I cannot stay and elaborate further as I need to get ready to leave for the evening.

I will gladly discuss this you on Monday morning, around 4AM Ohio time...

JACOB WIT AND HIS FRIEND PAUL VD SLOOT 

The most remarkable and dubious role in the whole issue plays
No son Joran, but father Paul van der Sloot. After graduating rights
In Tilburg he works for a time as a lawyer in the Netherlands for citizens
In their opposition to the government, but soon after
Acquainted with his future wife leaves him to Aruba. He
Remain friends in the Netherlands, including Judge Robert Jacob
Wit. From 2003 he was deputy justice for the Antillean Court
Justice and the end of 2005, he judge in training, but then
He lawyer. During that time he learns the justice
System, and especially the personal networks continue to improve. It
Is a small world on Aruba and everybody knows everybody. If necessary
We know each other is to be found in the bar or casino.

Therefore, Paul van der Sloot Police also Jan van der Straten
Know and they are thick friends. Possibly that Paul regularly via Jan
The coal from the fire picks for zoonlief when he once again what girls
Has picked up, too much money has vergokt or something has too much marijuana
. 'We know our' and as Joran in the broadcast of Peter R. The
Vries known, "I 'have something on them'."
Very quickly, Jan van der Straten as research on the matter
Holloway put. Hoofdofficier of Justice Karin Janssen: "There is vast
Come to that already a few days after the disappearance of the father
Boy speaks of the fact that there is no case without a corpse would. "
Justice Minister Rudy Croes confirms this almost immediately and
Also that there are 'many suspicious telephone calls between Paul van der Sloot
And Jan van der Straten went back and forth during the early stages of the
Research. Van der Straten ensures that Paul van der Sloot all
Police and FBI investigations and blocks will in no way
Access for Van der Sloot to the digital scholars in the
Judicial computers. Meanwhile advises his son to palief
Silence and nothing to say. On the day that the search for a welded
Of the home of Joran and the parents, does Judge-friend
  Jacob White and gets the door open for one another in the search
Parental home, and later to silent amazement
Frustration of the PPS.

The court commissioner (that is now Jacob WIT), which deals with the matter Holloway refuses Van der
Sloot now for a third time to arrest, while there are so many new
Proof lies. The same person (Jacob White) refused then the whole house
Paul van der Sloot to investigate.

I think Joran a number of names from the publicity means, from fear
Really everything to lose and ultimately incorporated to
In the clinic, which he already by Jan van der Straten was
Recommended.

[caesu]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.
and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

in the Poentje interview Patrick was supposed to have said that he knew Joran for years.

but this was mistranslated and put out of context by Poentje and Revu weekly.

he said: "he couldn't live with himself for years if he wouldn't have tried to get him to confess after he met him the first time".

[briany]

Briany
What do you think happened at the Sloots and do you think the Kalpoes may have been sucked into a situation they couldn't handle at the time?  I am confused on the baby cover up...is that your way of saying it was just a small cover up by only a few?  Not sure I agree at this time, since the entire island seems to be in super silent mode as to any blame casting...but I am always open for changing my mind should the evidence support it as such.

I am also open for changing my mind. It is possible that there is a big cover up, for the moment I doubt it, but I also do not know of course. I do not see what big things can be discovered by the solving the disappearance of one girl. My idea is that drugdealers are not too interested in Natalee and I can not make a connection yet with the disappearance of Natalee and a big maffia.

I wonder if it was really v.d.S in the casino that night sitting not far from Natalee.
I wonder if Joran is protecting his father instead of the other way around.

The search of the house was stopped by some friends of vdS but it propably was on request of VdS.

[Lala'sMom]

The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later

Did you mean step father of the Kalpoes?  So they have shut down operations on those Matty apts.  Now, is that the same place as the VIP Lions Den place?  I am still confused on that from the Shango forum the other day.  Latin American girls...hmmmm.  That would be easier to hide I guess. I will see what I can find.

[Lala'sMom]

Briany
What do you think happened at the Sloots and do you think the Kalpoes may have been sucked into a situation they couldn't handle at the time?  I am confused on the baby cover up...is that your way of saying it was just a small cover up by only a few?  Not sure I agree at this time, since the entire island seems to be in super silent mode as to any blame casting...but I am always open for changing my mind should the evidence support it as such.

I am also open for changing my mind. It is possible that there is a big cover up, for the moment I doubt it, but I also do not know of course. I do not see what big things can be discovered by the solving the disappearance of one girl. My idea is that drugdealers are not too interested in Natalee and I can not make a connection yet with the disappearance of Natalee and a big maffia.

I wonder if it was really v.d.S in the casino that night sitting not far from Natalee.
I wonder if Joran is protecting his father instead of the other way around.

The search of the house was stopped by some friends of vdS but it propably was on request of VdS.

If that was not Paulus van der Sloot sitting next to Natalee in that casino video the entire membership of RU would have produced that person front and center by now.  That one video alone implicates Paulus more than any thing else to date.  It is his hairline and his mannerisms.  I have not changed my mind that it is him and that makes his timeline questionable as well.  Others may disagree, but I think most believe it to be Paulus.

[Observer]

The Father of Kalpoes still today own the VIP and the Indu Restaurant. THe Kalpoes still today are fighting their living and working permit to stay in Aruba.

The operation of Matty Apartments has change from night hours to day hours now. it closes now every night at 11:00 PM at ther the restaurnat and the VIP closes.

Some person in the Escord bussiness like Beto and Nino said that they are not in the bussiness of young teens, They said that there are some that are working from the beach area and advertise in the News but that they not legal as registed at the chamber of commerce. He suggest to find old 2005 News ads. They both have there own girls which are from Latin America.

Those that concentrate on the Americans are in side the Hotels self and promote this from within the Hotel chains.

More on this later

WOW and he buys the internet cafe after NH dissapears also!!!!!!!!!?? Let me guess no money was exchanged ? I think he should be added to "The Kalpoe Bunch" 

[caesu]

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Thats Caps!

   
ALMELO - The man who act on behalf of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries using a hidden camera Joran van der Sloot a "confession" has ontfutseld, is the origin of Antillean entrepreneur Patrick van der Eem.
See also:

     * No arrest warrant Joran

This 34-year-old Joran knowledge of floats since July 2003 on a franchise basis case snakes and slangkoppelingen in Almelo (under the name Pirtek), but lives in a recreatiebungalow in the Gelderse Lathum, east of Velp.

Van der Eem was born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a Water SPorts business. His brother who taught Joran van der Sloot and Patrick together. Patrick has himself last autumn when Peter R. De Vries. According to De Vries, Van der Eem a total of five months' undercoveroperatie "against Joran van der Sloot cooperated. He has a monthly expenses of Euro 5000, a total of 25,000 euros.

If home in the Netherlands, Van der Eem a bungalow in the 700-hectare recreation Rhederlaag in Lathum (Zevenaar town). On a 25-acre peninsula in the Rhedermeer lies the bungalow and villapark Riverparc with 350 Recreational. It is 15 minutes from Arnhem, the official residence of Joran van der Sloot. Last Friday he was still partying all evening in Arnhem discovered in Manhattan nightclub. Since Saturday he is hiding. From various sides was reported Saturday that he would stay in Drachten, but it turned out later to a persoonsverwisseling to go.

Van der Eem Almelose opened the establishment on July 14, 2003. Employs eight people. The company is located at the Van der Hoopweg on the industrial Turfkade A. Here yesterday was nobody in sight. Pirtek was reached at an emergency phone. The centralist did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, it was the news about the friendship between Van der Eem and Van der Sloot early penetrated. About Van der Eem were no data available.

to properly translate the bold text:

"through his brother, Patrick got to know Joran".

"the company knew about Patricks friendship with Joran already".
meaning: it was no surprise when the journalist called and asked for information.
this was the morning before the Peter R. de Vries broadcast.

[SS]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Hey Caps!!  I see what you are saying... it was in Holland that he lived near the Sloot family...you didn't mean in Aruba.  In Aruba he lived near the Kalpoes. Now that makes some sense. Thanks.

BTW, you know I can't read Dutch. LOL

Hey CAPS,

[Tamikosmom]

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.
check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Hey Caps!!  I see what you are saying... it was in Holland that he lived near the Sloot family...you didn't mean in Aruba.  In Aruba he lived near the Kalpoes. Now that makes some sense. Thanks.

BTW, you know I can't read Dutch. LOL

Patrick could live 15 minutes away from the VDS but ... not necessarily know them.  It is "the knowing them" that interests me.

I am searching for credible sources which can confirm what Patrick claimed on the Castro interview and ... later claimed something was lost in translation.

Also ... the names of the Kalpoes in the post that Caps provided ... are not the names of Deepak and Satish's parents.  Is there an explanation that clarify my confusion?

Also ... Patrick claims he was not living in Aruba in 2005.

There is so much that I am not comprehending.

Janet

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'Friend' knows who dumped Natalee
Friday 07 March 2008

Van der Eem was also heard saying he had known Van der Sloot for several years. On Peter R de Vries’ tv programme, he claimed he befriended the Dutch student in a Nijmegen casino in 2007.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/friend_knows_who_dumped_natale.php

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

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Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

PATRICK’S RESPONSE

Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments

[Lala'sMom]

Why does Caps leave every time I have questions?  I need answers!!  I need attention...I need a snack. BRB.