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« Reply #340 on: April 19, 2008, 08:35:12 PM »

Consider that the Kalpoe's stepfather is now owner of the cyber cafe ... maybe Aruba afforded him some other goodies in exchange for cooperation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Caps ... could you please provide the source of this info.  It should be public record.

Janet

Kalpoe's stepdad is no longer the owner of the Cyber Cafe last I checked.  I was of the belief that it was Kawish Misers's uncle that owned the Indo and VIP.  For Caps to be correct then Kawish's uncle would be the K2's real father.  Possible, but I need more info before I believe it.

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Thanks Klaas.  However ... I am referring to Caps contention that Deepak's stepfather is owner of the Lions Den and the Indo ...

There must be similar records to the above for confirmation.

Janet

From a prior conversation with Kawish Misier, he admits Janira, who owns the VIP, is his aunt.





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=475.160

Thank you Pita.  Who is Janira?  Deepak and Satish's mother is named Nadira.

Janet
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« Reply #341 on: April 19, 2008, 08:36:04 PM »

Not to break everyones train of thought, but I have a question.  I seem to remember that there was a private plane of someone from Saudi Arabia.  Does anyone remember this and who was it?  This could technically tie in to all kinds of political stuff.

There was talk of a prince being there on his yacht and a black helicopter.  Sorry, I don't have links.
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« Reply #342 on: April 19, 2008, 08:36:18 PM »

Some of the Simian posts sure seem to refer to palaces and black robes/garments.  Also refers to gold. 
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« Reply #343 on: April 19, 2008, 08:41:25 PM »

Some of the Simian posts sure seem to refer to palaces and black robes/garments.  Also refers to gold. 

You might want to continue that line of thinking and discussion in the Shango/Simian forum area. We find it's easier to mostly keep Shango/Simian in a separate area:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0

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« Reply #344 on: April 19, 2008, 08:42:28 PM »

Consider that the Kalpoe's stepfather is now owner of the cyber cafe ... maybe Aruba afforded him some other goodies in exchange for cooperation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Caps ... could you please provide the source of this info.  It should be public record.

Janet

Kalpoe's stepdad is no longer the owner of the Cyber Cafe last I checked.  I was of the belief that it was Kawish Misers's uncle that owned the Indo and VIP.  For Caps to be correct then Kawish's uncle would be the K2's real father.  Possible, but I need more info before I believe it.

Cancelled 3/9/2007



Thanks Klaas.  However ... I am referring to Caps contention that Deepak's stepfather is owner of the Lions Den and the Indo ...

There must be similar records to the above for confirmation.

Janet

From a prior conversation with Kawish Misier, he admits Janira, who owns the VIP, is his aunt.





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=475.160

Thank you Pita.  Who is Janira?  Deepak and Satish's mother is named Nadira.

Janet

Kawish told me, Karam, the spiritual healer Dave met with his sister at the VIP, is his uncle and Janira is his wife.
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« Reply #345 on: April 19, 2008, 08:47:32 PM »

I find the date that the Kalpoe's stepfather took possession of the Internet Cafe very suspicion.

However ... when it is considered the Deepak was assistant manager ... maybe the Ramirez would have already had a vested interest.

Janet

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CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Date of commencement 29 AUGUST 2005

OWNERS/PARTNERS
RAMIREZ, LUIS ANTONIO;
Residing in HOOIBERG 91-B, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 2 MAY 1960
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL

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http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/aruba_research.html

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« Reply #346 on: April 19, 2008, 08:48:08 PM »

Some of the Simian posts sure seem to refer to palaces and black robes/garments.  Also refers to gold. 

You might want to continue that line of thinking and discussion in the Shango/Simian forum area. We find it's easier to mostly keep Shango/Simian in a separate area:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0



What Klaas says is true...they gave us our own forum...it was to keep us "nuts" out of here...but it hasn't worked too well. LOL

Hey, come on over and look around. We are on our third Shango thread....BTW I think you may be confusing Shango and Merian Ernest for Simian...that is best discussed over there....come on over...someone is always around. Welcome aboard!
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« Reply #347 on: April 19, 2008, 08:49:44 PM »

I find the date that the Kalpoe's stepfather took possession of the Internet Cafe very suspicion.

However ... when it is considered the Deepak was assistant manager ... maybe the Ramirez would have already had a vested interest.

Janet

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CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Date of commencement 29 AUGUST 2005

OWNERS/PARTNERS
RAMIREZ, LUIS ANTONIO;
Residing in HOOIBERG 91-B, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 2 MAY 1960
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL

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http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/aruba_research.html



It is suspicious.  We had the records from before Deepak's stepfather....some Dutch guy S....?  I always thought it would be interesting to know why he got out of the business..
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« Reply #348 on: April 19, 2008, 08:50:16 PM »

Oh this is just fine and dandy....now we have entire set of Kalpoe doppelgangers...no wonder my eyes are rolling around in my skull! 
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« Reply #349 on: April 19, 2008, 08:52:15 PM »

Consider that the Kalpoe's stepfather is now owner of the cyber cafe ... maybe Aruba afforded him some other goodies in exchange for cooperation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Caps ... could you please provide the source of this info.  It should be public record.

Janet

Kalpoe's stepdad is no longer the owner of the Cyber Cafe last I checked.  I was of the belief that it was Kawish Misers's uncle that owned the Indo and VIP.  For Caps to be correct then Kawish's uncle would be the K2's real father.  Possible, but I need more info before I believe it.

Just inquire the Database on Kawish Missers ether last name of and fist name combination and there is no record. when I went there, the Philipeen girl working there explaind to me that the owner is the father of the Kalpoes that got in the with the american girl. She did not provide info.

Spoke to Giovany and told me that the place was and still is his name and Angelina. When he had Inex N.V in Dakota, he came with the idea of opening a cybercafe. for that he looked for a partner that he can trust which was luis and together they did open the Cyber.


 
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« Reply #350 on: April 19, 2008, 08:54:17 PM »

I find the date that the Kalpoe's stepfather took possession of the Internet Cafe very suspicion.

However ... when it is considered the Deepak was assistant manager ... maybe the Ramirez would have already had a vested interest.

Janet

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CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Date of commencement 29 AUGUST 2005

OWNERS/PARTNERS
RAMIREZ, LUIS ANTONIO;
Residing in HOOIBERG 91-B, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 2 MAY 1960
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL

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http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/aruba_research.html



It is suspicious.  We had the records from before Deepak's stepfather....some Dutch guy S....?  I always thought it would be interesting to know why he got out of the business..

CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ 
Date of commencement  15 DECEMBER 2004 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 29 AUGUST 2005 
   
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
HICKINSON, LLOYD SELWYN
Residing in  SEROE BLANCO 75, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 14 FEBRUARY 1964 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  15 DECEMBER 2004 
Authority  FULL 
   
PONSON-REPPAS, ANGELINA
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  15 DECEMBER 2004 
Authority  FULL 
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« Reply #351 on: April 19, 2008, 08:58:34 PM »

Consider that the Kalpoe's stepfather is now owner of the cyber cafe ... maybe Aruba afforded him some other goodies in exchange for cooperation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Caps ... could you please provide the source of this info.  It should be public record.

Janet

Kalpoe's stepdad is no longer the owner of the Cyber Cafe last I checked.  I was of the belief that it was Kawish Misers's uncle that owned the Indo and VIP.  For Caps to be correct then Kawish's uncle would be the K2's real father.  Possible, but I need more info before I believe it.

Just inquire the Database on Kawish Missers ether last name of and fist name combination and there is no record. when I went there, the Philipeen girl working there explaind to me that the owner is the father of the Kalpoes that got in the with the american girl. She did not provide info.

Spoke to Giovany and told me that the place was and still is his name and Angelina. When he had Inex N.V in Dakota, he came with the idea of opening a cybercafe. for that he looked for a partner that he can trust which was luis and together they did open the Cyber.


 

Thanks Caps - interresting about what the girl told you at the Indo/VIP.
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« Reply #352 on: April 19, 2008, 09:04:25 PM »

Now at the address

Ramirez   Luis A     5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B
Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B

Now Luis can not be the father of the Kalpoes because he is Aruba and to Confuse thing more and protect the owner, they must have just use Luis A Ramirez.

But at the address live a Surinam under the name Bouwman Martin R.



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« Reply #353 on: April 19, 2008, 09:05:49 PM »

Consider that the Kalpoe's stepfather is now owner of the cyber cafe ... maybe Aruba afforded him some other goodies in exchange for cooperation in the Natalee Holloway case.

Caps ... could you please provide the source of this info.  It should be public record.

Janet

Kalpoe's stepdad is no longer the owner of the Cyber Cafe last I checked.  I was of the belief that it was Kawish Misers's uncle that owned the Indo and VIP.  For Caps to be correct then Kawish's uncle would be the K2's real father.  Possible, but I need more info before I believe it.

Cancelled 3/9/2007



Thanks Klaas.  However ... I am referring to Caps contention that Deepak's stepfather is owner of the Lions Den and the Indo ...

There must be similar records to the above for confirmation.

Janet

From a prior conversation with Kawish Misier, he admits Janira, who owns the VIP, is his aunt.





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=475.160

Thank you Pita.  Who is Janira?  Deepak and Satish's mother is named Nadira.

Janet

Kawish told me, Karam, the spiritual healer Dave met with his sister at the VIP, is his uncle and Janira is his wife.

Pita ... has any of Kawish's words ever implied that the Kalpoe's mother or stepfather were owners of the Lion's Den or the Indo ...

I believe that this is what Caps implied.  I would appreciate some backup.

Thanks you Pita

Janet
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« Reply #354 on: April 19, 2008, 09:16:23 PM »

Now researching all from Soerabaja

van Driel, geb. Bakker   Wilhelmina IC   6/19/1925   Soerabaia   Wayaka 361
Flemming, geb. Muller   Adira E               2/23/1947   Soerabaja   Caya Frère Henricus 9
Pellegrim, geb. Enghardt   Mary E               7/31/1931   Soerabaja   Cura Cabai 57
Bouwman   Martin R                                       11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Bakker   Christianus EM                              1/5/1950   Soerabaja   Macuarina 52
Huskens, geb. Caus   Hedy L              12/19/1947   Soerabaja   Sabana Libre 273
Nierop, geb. de Koning   Catharina M   7/10/1941   Soerabaja   Savaneta 206
van Ham   Robert B                                        10/30/1948   Soerabaja   Sombre 14C

Now from all these name there is only 3 man and all the rest are women with Dutch names

Now Just got a nother tip to check. de Van Straten Kid, any one have picture of him.





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« Reply #355 on: April 19, 2008, 09:29:36 PM »

I find the date that the Kalpoe's stepfather took possession of the Internet Cafe very suspicion.

However ... when it is considered the Deepak was assistant manager ... maybe the Ramirez would have already had a vested interest.

Janet

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CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ

Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ
Date of commencement 29 AUGUST 2005

OWNERS/PARTNERS
RAMIREZ, LUIS ANTONIO;
Residing in HOOIBERG 91-B, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in ARUBA on 2 MAY 1960
Nationality DUTCH
Position OWNER
Effective 29 AUGUST 2005
Authority FULL

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http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/archive/b/carnivorous_conservative/2005/10/aruba_research.html



It is suspicious.  We had the records from before Deepak's stepfather....some Dutch guy S....?  I always thought it would be interesting to know why he got out of the business..

CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ 
 
Business address L.G. SMITH BLVD. 82, ORANJESTAD WEST 
Legal form  SOLE OWNERSHIP 
Name of the company  CYBERZONE INTERNET CAFÉ 
Date of commencement  15 DECEMBER 2004 
     
THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN CANCELLED ON 29 AUGUST 2005 
  
OWNERS/PARTNERS 
 
HICKINSON, LLOYD SELWYN
Residing in  SEROE BLANCO 75, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 14 FEBRUARY 1964 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  OWNER 
Effective  15 DECEMBER 2004 
Authority  FULL 
  
PONSON-REPPAS, ANGELINA
Residing in  RUBY 72, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, NIJMEGEN on 23 APRIL 1976 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PROXY 
Effective  15 DECEMBER 2004 
Authority  FULL 

Now there is some mistake here.

Check the date of Commencement. How can the date be diffrent

is this fake or what?
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« Reply #356 on: April 19, 2008, 09:32:52 PM »

Now at the address

Ramirez   Luis A     5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B
Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B

Now Luis can not be the father of the Kalpoes because he is Aruba and to Confuse thing more and protect the owner, they must have just use Luis A Ramirez.

But at the address live a Surinam under the name Bouwman Martin R.





I thought this Luis guy was the STEP-FATHER? 
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« Reply #357 on: April 19, 2008, 09:35:18 PM »

Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch

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« Reply #358 on: April 19, 2008, 09:55:52 PM »

Now at the address

Ramirez   Luis A     5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B
Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B

Now Luis can not be the father of the Kalpoes because he is Aruba and to Confuse thing more and protect the owner, they must have just use Luis A Ramirez.

But at the address live a Surinam under the name Bouwman Martin R.



Caps ... I believe the Luiz Antonio Ramirez is the Kalpoe's stepfather.

Deepak's address in his statement suspect statement and ... the above address for Ramirez are the same.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=213.0


PROCES -VERBAAL - DEEPAK
 
We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively officer first class and sergeant first class, with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes District II, declare the following.
 
On June 9th 2005, approximately 10:55am, we interviewed as a suspect the man named:  Deepak Sharma KALPOE, born in Paramaribo, Surinam on October 6 1983, assistant manager Cyberzone Internet Café and living on Hooiberg 91-B, Santa Cruz, Aruba.

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« Reply #359 on: April 19, 2008, 10:03:24 PM »

Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.



Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch



Now that is strange.

A bouwman??? Let me check the DATABASE...


Bouwman   Hendricus C   8/24/1954   Amsterdam   Koyari 38F
Bouwman   Brenda O               10/2/1961   Amsterdam   Piedra Plat 99C
Bouwman   Leopold I               6/22/1941   Aruba   Beatrixstraat 28
Bouwman   Lisette A               4/29/1980   Aruba   Fahrenheitstraat 18
Bouwman   Robert A               5/17/1983   Aruba   Fahrenheitstraat 18
Bouwman   Robert A              11/30/1942   Aruba   Rooi Bosal 36
Bouwman   Kenneth M   5/3/1957                Aruba   Seroe Patrishi 51
Bouwman   Walter AHB   7/19/1964   Hoogeveen   Bushiri 98
Bouwman   Martin R               11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Bouwman, geb. Helder   Domitilia P   5/12/1922   Aruba   Seroe Patrishi 51
Bouwman, geb. Lugo   Santa A                 3/7/1970   Bani   Mons Nieuwindtstraat 13

here are the names

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