Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[private eye]

I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)

[private eye]

I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)

But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.

[private eye]

I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)

But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.

And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care, and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.

[private eye]

I'll read it again in the morning and maybe it will make a little more sense to me. I'll catch up in the morning

[klaasend]

I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)

Good to see you Private Eye

[klaasend]

I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)

But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.

And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care, and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.

Yep..that about says it all.

[Tamikosmom]

I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)

But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.

 

PI ... I agree 100% with every word of your post.

Hey .. welcome back ... I have missed ya.

Janet

[Miss Scarlet]

Some of the Simian posts sure seem to refer to palaces and black robes/garments.  Also refers to gold. 

Please!!!  It is not Simian or Shango......

Shango and Simian talk about palaces...Merian about black togas. 

Shango talks about gold bricks....


Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject: Ingrown nails and bruised
toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.

Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.

The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: Know the passage...
Read with care. Forked tongues with framed reputations on their walls. Crawling in the
palace looking for trapdoors and cracks in the floor.

Do not be surprised. Only the package from The Hague holds the thin layers of answers.
Never has mail been so late.

[/i]

Never noticed that before - "forked tongues with framed reputations on their walls."

To me, that implies a fake degree.

[wreck]

PI --- we/I'm still here! This has not gone away or become stagnant!!! Please tell Beth that we are more determined than ever!!

[MumInOhio]

Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?


Birmingham News

Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.

Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.

Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.

…

Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.

Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch

Now that is strange.

A bouwman??? Let me check the DATABASE...


Bouwman   Hendricus C   8/24/1954   Amsterdam   Koyari 38F
Bouwman   Brenda O               10/2/1961   Amsterdam   Piedra Plat 99C
Bouwman   Leopold I               6/22/1941   Aruba   Beatrixstraat 28
Bouwman   Lisette A               4/29/1980   Aruba   Fahrenheitstraat 18
Bouwman   Robert A               5/17/1983   Aruba   Fahrenheitstraat 18
Bouwman   Robert A              11/30/1942   Aruba   Rooi Bosal 36
Bouwman   Kenneth M   5/3/1957                Aruba   Seroe Patrishi 51
Bouwman   Walter AHB   7/19/1964   Hoogeveen   Bushiri 98
Bouwman   Martin R               11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Bouwman, geb. Helder   Domitilia P   5/12/1922   Aruba   Seroe Patrishi 51
Bouwman, geb. Lugo   Santa A                 3/7/1970   Bani   Mons Nieuwindtstraat 13

here are the names

Caps…Please check database…

Bouwman Lisette A Dadelstraat 23 ...................................
Bouwman-Lugo Santa A Mississippistraat ................................
Bouwman Sandro G F Tanki Leendert 167 ..........................

http://www.arubayp.com/whitebook.html?PageNumber=22

[GrannyToad]

And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care, and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.

(I hope I trimmed this up right.)

OK so my thinking on 'no body no case' moved forward to current info Joran has admitted doing away with Natalee dead or alive (with a friend maybe) means that he cannot even prove that she was deceased, yes? Doesn't Geen lijk geen zaak backfire on Joran in this case? It wasn't a body he so cavalierly disposed of, he's basically admitted murder and cannot prove that he didn't?

[Silverfox]

And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care, and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.

(I hope I trimmed this up right.)

OK so my thinking on 'no body no case' moved forward to current info Joran has admitted doing away with Natalee dead or alive (with a friend maybe) means that he cannot even prove that she was deceased, yes? Doesn't Geen lijk geen zaak backfire on Joran in this case? It wasn't a body he so cavalierly disposed of, he's basically admitted murder and cannot prove that he didn't?

Thats exactly the way I see it too, Granny -- maybe that is why he is in hiding...all his legal advisors said -- Whoops!

[briany]

And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care, and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.

(I hope I trimmed this up right.)

OK so my thinking on 'no body no case' moved forward to current info Joran has admitted doing away with Natalee dead or alive (with a friend maybe) means that he cannot even prove that she was deceased, yes? Doesn't Geen lijk geen zaak backfire on Joran in this case? It wasn't a body he so cavalierly disposed of, he's basically admitted murder and cannot prove that he didn't?

Before Joran did his confession, Pa v.d.S. said: "no body no case".  Of course it was better to get rid of the body.
Maybe something unexpected happened,  "they"" decided to make up a story (Googling for drugs and alcohol) but later they decided to get rid of the body because it leaves more time to cover up. And with some luck maybe even "no body no case".

Since Jorans confessions you can't say "no body no case" anymore of course.

[Buckeye]

Caps

Vanity Fair

...Before I went to Aruba, she told me that the Kalpoe family had been embroiled in the odd death of a former maid, and that Mrs. Kalpoe had been detained; it turned out the case had involved another family...

http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm

 

[johan555]

someone send me a mail  with only this :
Cohen Izaak - Noord 3-Aruba
were is this ? is it a street ?

 

[Blonde]

Not to break everyones train of thought, but I have a question.  I seem to remember that there was a private plane of someone from Saudi Arabia.  Does anyone remember this and who was it?  This could technically tie in to all kinds of political stuff.

YES
Prince Nayef Bin Sultan Bin Fawwaz Al-Shaalan is the Saudi who had his yacht parked in the harbor off of Aruba the week Natalee vanished.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=633967&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

more here http://www.house-hunting.com/dorism/

[Blonde]

Now researching all from Soerabaja

van Driel, geb. Bakker   Wilhelmina IC   6/19/1925   Soerabaia   Wayaka 361
Flemming, geb. Muller   Adira E               2/23/1947   Soerabaja   Caya Frère Henricus 9
Pellegrim, geb. Enghardt   Mary E               7/31/1931   Soerabaja   Cura Cabai 57
Bouwman   Martin R                                       11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Bakker   Christianus EM                              1/5/1950   Soerabaja   Macuarina 52
Huskens, geb. Caus   Hedy L              12/19/1947   Soerabaja   Sabana Libre 273
Nierop, geb. de Koning   Catharina M   7/10/1941   Soerabaja   Savaneta 206
van Ham   Robert B                                        10/30/1948   Soerabaja   Sombre 14C

Now from all these name there is only 3 man and all the rest are women with Dutch names

Now Just got a nother tip to check. de Van Straten Kid, any one have picture of him.

I Think this is him Giliam van der Straaten

[Pita]

someone send me a mail  with only this :
Cohen Izaak - Noord 3-Aruba
were is this ? is it a street ?

Ike Cohen is involved with Manchebo Beach Club.  Also, more info at this link:

http://www.ikecohen.org/bio/index.html


MANCHEBO BEACH CLUB 
 
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
COHEN, IZAAK; 
Residing in  NOORD 3, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, ROTTERDAM on 2 JUNE 1911 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  PRESIDENT OF THE MANAGING BOARD 
Effective  25 NOVEMBER 1996 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
CRONA, WILLIAM DIXON; 
Residing in  2020 LEE AVENUE TALLAHASSEE, , FLORIDA, 32301, U.S.A. 
Born in  U.S.A., DIFUNIAK SPRINGS,FL. on 19 AUGUST 1948 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER 
Effective  25 NOVEMBER 1996 
   
KOLMAN, ANTONIUS (JR); 
Residing in  SEROE BIENTO 26-I, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA 
Born in  THE NETHERLANDS, ZWOLLE on 5 MAY 1955 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  3 AUGUST 2000 
Authority  RESTRICTED 

[Buckeye]

someone send me a mail  with only this :
Cohen Izaak - Noord 3-Aruba
were is this ? is it a street ?

 

There was a very prominent hotel/restaurant owner by the name of Ike Cohen.  IIRC, he owned Manchebo Resort.  I think he died a year or two ago. I could never tract a link to Steve Cohen (the media rep)...at one time, we even looked through Ike's 90th? birthday pictures, to see if we could find Steve.

The Noord3 could be an address. I am not good on addresses. LOL

[Buckeye]

Oops...sorry Pita