Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[jackb]

The signs said Natalee was partying in Brazil,Joran was innocent until proven guilty and they were clearly protesting against Beth..



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SCARBOROUGH: You know—you know, Julia, a lot of people—we've been hearing a lot of Arubans have been angry at Natalee Holloway's family, believing that they've been too aggressive in seeking the truth. What's the feeling right now? Do you believe that most Arubans are now supportive of the family or do you think that was a gross overstatement? That was just 200 people protesting?

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR IN CHIEF, “ARUBA TODAY”: It was not 200 people protesting. It was 200 people demonstrating what Aruba was about, the friendliness of the island, that Aruba was turning into a welcome mat that was just being absolutely stepped on.

No question about it. I was there at the protest demonstration. And it was all about, this is who we are. This is our justice system. We believe in our justice system. Let it prevail.

SCARBOROUGH: Do you think, though—I mean, you say it wasn't a protest. Do you—were there, though, many people there that were angry with Natalee Holloway's family and believed that the family was too aggressive?

RENFRO: No, it wasn't about that at all. Absolutely not. It was how it was being presented by different networks. That's all it was about.

Nobody was upset with Mrs. Twitty. Everyone knows that she has missed her—missing her daughter. And everyone feels for that. Arubans have—all people have been out there looking, searching, crying and praying for the return of Natalee Holloway.

- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8551823/
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Faces behind some of the evil reporting out of Aruba.

Yup, Right, Sure Thing  Julia.

     If the information that CAPS has given us is correct, and Julia was actually there that fateful night with her camera,  I think that I will go absolutely nuts.  How could she meet Beth the next day and search the island with her, knowing what had really happened?  Julia pretends to be Beth's friend after participating in Natalee's fateful night.    OMG, what a betrayal. How could a woman be part of a sick activity like the porn party where young girls are being taken advantage of?   

Yes, they are meaner than dog dirt and could have been there.  Guess they don't know they are giving the "devil" sign with the two fingers there??  Also that pic of her and her beau have quite a few interesting images in the background.  Where did that pic come from and wonder who took that.  That is, I am sure to about 93 percent that is GVC to my right in the background of that picture.  There are some strange images in the background of many pictures coming from there.   jackb

[Observer]

Jack she was only fluffing the sailors at a award ceremony and party with her friends Scubajap and Angela.

Aruba Heineken Catamaran Regatta 2007Farewell party and Award Ceremony @ Moomba 15Nov
http://tinyurl.com/6zdmv6
http://tinyurl.com/4c8xtb

[San]

BOYCOTT ARUBA

[klaasend]

Jack she was only fluffing the sailors at a award ceremony and party with her friends Scubajap and Angela.

Aruba Heineken Catamaran Regatta 2007Farewell party and Award Ceremony @ Moomba 15Nov
http://tinyurl.com/6zdmv6
http://tinyurl.com/4c8xtb

[San]

Jack she was only fluffing the sailors at a award ceremony and party with her friends Scubajap and Angela.

Aruba Heineken Catamaran Regatta 2007Farewell party and Award Ceremony @ Moomba 15Nov
http://tinyurl.com/6zdmv6
http://tinyurl.com/4c8xtb

I bet she won by a landslide 

[klaasend]

Very cool San, I like that!

[Observer]

This old blog tries to add human trafficking,drug trafficking and a saudi prince to the mix of Natalee's dissapearance.

DISAPPEARING FROM ARUBA AND THE WORLDWIDE CULT OF DEATH *PIC*

Aruba: Carribean Crossroads For Illicit Saudi Trafficking

june 10th 2005 snip

Coincidentally, Natalee Holloway disappeared at the nexus of a Saudi-Venezuela-Miami-Colombia-Geneva-Spain illicit web for trafficking -- one which at least involves illegal drugs and expensive artworks.

Aruba is also an international crossroads, one used by and for a global trafficking ring involving at least one Saudi prince and at least one Geneva-based banker. Here are some of the well publicized characters:

* Saudi Prince Nayef Bin Sultan Bin Fawwaz al-Shaalan, former classmate ( University of Miami ) and lover of Doris Mangeri Salazar.

* Former Miami realtor Doris Mangeri Salazar -- while it exists, see her homepage and photo at

http://www.house-hunting.com/dorism/

* Colombian businessman Ivan Lopez Vanegas

* Spanish and Geneva financier, Jose Maria Clemente

On May 3, 2005, Mangeri and Lopez were found guilty of conspiring with Nayef and Colombian drug lords to smuggle more than two tons of cocaine to Europe, using the prince's diplomatic immunity and a private 727. They face ten years to life in prison, and fines up to $4 million. Sentencing is expected on or about July 15.

One can imagine that at about the time that Natalee Holloway disappered, that at least Doris Mangeri, who was long accustomed to living a rather lavish lifestyle in Coral Gables, was actively cooperating with federal investigators, to try give them as much info' on Nayef as possible -- in the hopes of minimizing her sentence.

Prince Nayef is believed to be in Saudi Arabia, where he would be protected by the Royals and the Saudis lack of an extradition treaty with the United States.

Banker Clemente, who offered million dollar pieces of artwork in the deal was indicted, but interestingly, the Spanish government denied a request for his extradition to the U.S.

Various news reports are available: here is an interesting excerpt from:

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/19/State/Drug_case_is_a_royal_.shtml :

>>>At an initial meeting at a rented villa in Marbella, Spain, in September 1998, the prince offered to launder drug money through a small Geneva private bank he co-owned with his twin brother, Usuga told the jury.

Mangeri sat in on the meeting and stood to make a commission on the deal, he added. The group flew to Geneva the next day and toured the Kanz Bank, which advertised itself as "the only Islamic private bank in Geneva."

Usuga was impressed. The bank's board of directors included a former general manager of the Swiss central bank.<<<

snip

>>>The group met again in Aruba to cement the deal, prosecutors say. The prince proposed picking up the cocaine in May during an upcoming trip to Venezuela where he had official business, Usuga said.<<<
[End excerpt]

ARUBA AND THE NETHERLANDS ANTILLES ARE UNDER DUTCH LAW

Aruba is just off the coast from Venezuela, where the cocaine was to be picked up. And the well-connected conspirators met in Aruba to seal the deal, indicating that they had resources and familiarity with Aruba and likely had access to “amenable� Aruban authorities willing to look the other way when “circumstances� so dictated.

Aruba was the central link to Venezuela (and Colombia via Venezuela), to Miami, to Spain, to Geneva, and to Saudi Arabia.

All are accessible and convenient to one with a private 727 jet ( esp. with its extra fuel tanks ), unlimited funding, and unlimited diplomatic immunity.

In these undercurrents we see: continuing DEA efforts in Colombia; overlapping with diplomacy and oil energy business in Venezuela; squeezing the corrupt Saudi royal family;

and the possibility of global enforcement against child slavery trafficking rings and associated political blackmail.

In one actual conspiracy, Aruba was central to many of the above events. As pressure is applied against the shadow webs we have the disappearance of another young, beautiful, child-adult. Perhaps US investigators uncovering dirt on Venezuela ( to pressure the Chavez govt's policies ) stumbled upon a treasure trove of corruption just off-shore Venzuela, criscrossing Aruba and linking high-powered players to long protected corruption.

A body may or may not be found on or near Aruba. Was Natalee abducted and immediately removed from the island on a private craft, leaving behind a long list of possible suspects after a night of carousing to neatly cover the trail?

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=72893

[San]

Very cool San, I like that!

You taught me everything I know   

[Observer]

Klaas already posted the article but heres the pic..

Entrance harbour blocked

[Observer]

Editorial: Natalee: Details are coming out!
Jossy Mansur - DIARIO Aruba
10/05/2005

During the last two airings of Nancy Grace on Headline News, Beth and Jug Twitty revealed some details that I was not aware of, in relation to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba. Additionally, I was also able to watch an interview with Joran in Holland, in which he throws all the blame of what happened on Natalee.

As the great liar that he is, he wanted to escape blame by accusing the missing girl of all sorts of weaknesses and flaws and paints himself as a gallant movie star. Joran, according from what I could conclude from the interview, did not break (…), and did not do anything, he tried rejecting Natalee’s advances, left her on the beach, and went home. Abandoning her on the beach was, for Joran, very normal!

From a habitual liar, I didn’t expect anything else. Together with his last statement and every other statement he made, which severely contradict each other, I don’t know.

What I do know is that he hasn’t spoken one word of truth during his interview with A Current Affair. All of a sudden, he forgets his own declaration that he left Natalee at the Holiday Inn, where she tripped and then was helped by two security guards; in his other declaration where he goes with Natalee on the beach North of the Marriott, and went to sleep with her on the sand.

Now, Natalee fell asleep, he left and thought that Deepak returned near where Natalee was, raped and killed her. All the statements he made earlier, he forgot in his voluntary amnesia. Now that he is in Holland, he became a saint!
In the shows of Nancy Grace yesterday and the day before, Beth and Jug made revelations which demonstrate uncategorically that the three suspects committed sexual assault against Natalee. This is also confirmed by their own admissions during the interrogations which took place in June. How then can Joran describe Natalee’s underwear in detail, and also her most intimate parts?

With his statement in Holland, Joran has reopened the wound. People can understand if he spoke the truth, but he preferred to continue with his many lies.

At DIARIO, we always thought that Joran, Deepak and Satish never went with Natalee from Carlos and Charlies to the beach North of the Marriott, but that they went to Joran’s apartment, where the above-mentioned took place. That they went to the beach to get rid of her after is possible and even probable.

One fact that hasn’t been completely explored in the first group of fishermen, in the same early morning hours that Natalee disappeared, one or more people broken the doors 1, 2, and 3 of the fishermens’ huts and kept what was in them.
The watchman of the first crew of fishermen observed that the only things missing was a large knife and a large basket. For what do you need a large knife and a basket? They could have used the knife to open the basket to put Natalee’s body, along with some rocks, then go throw it in the sea, far off the coast with a collaborator?

This is a theory which gained more strength when a detector made by an American in Aruba detected human bones, teeth and and iron in the sea! Coincidence? Maybe, but it’s worth investigating the matter more in depth.

Natalee’s case will not disappear. Now that Joran opened his mouth in Holland, he made it again a current event. The irony of all this is that Arubians don’t have anything to do with the case.

The principal suspects is Dutch, the lead investigator was Dutch, the prosecutor is Dutch and the five judges involved are Dutch. If you think about it, an attempted boycott against Aruba is unjust, because it is misdirected and won’t achieve the desired results.

In a democracy, the executive branch cannot intervene in the judicial one. No matter how much pressure is put upon the government, it cannot give any sort of order to the prosecutor nor the judges. On the contrary, ‘trias politica’ can’t work
I have full understanding of the suffering of Natalee’s mom and the uncertainty of the rest of the family. All the want is the truth, to find their child, no matter what condition she may be in, to then put the matter behind and return to their home to resume their lives.

Try putting yourself in her place, that you have a child who has disappeared in the hands of three suspicious individuals, the principal one set free because he wants to continue his studies.

Because of that America is questioning so severely the handing down of justice in Aruba, because things have happened which make no sense, have no justification and can’t be explained legally nor rationally.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_02_archive.html

[jackb]

Jack she was only fluffing the sailors at a award ceremony and party with her friends Scubajap and Angela.

Aruba Heineken Catamaran Regatta 2007Farewell party and Award Ceremony @ Moomba 15Nov
http://tinyurl.com/6zdmv6
http://tinyurl.com/4c8xtb

The photo I am talking about is the one made with her and the younger guy in the purple shirt.   jackb

[Observer]

They knew he was corrupt and evil as hell and look where we are today 



Holland wants to see another Minister of Justice
DIARIO Aruba
10/19/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN) - Information is circulating from the political core of Holland that shows that the Dutch government wants to see another face at the head of the Ministry of Justice of Aruba. This is also what the Dutch minister Pechtold, who was recently visiting Aruba, let be known to the government of Aruba.

During the last 4 years of government there were various cases of confrontation between Aruba’s justice minister with Dutch government mandataries. There were very strong letters sent from the justice minister of Aruba and his principal advisor to the Dutch government and there were also very strong expressions from the part of the justice minister against the Dutch government.

The results of the election put the same MEP government to sit and govern for the following period and in turn, the Dutch government has put pressure and shown the government of Aruba, via Prime Minister Nel Oduber, that the Dutch government wants to see another face as minister of justice. While formator Nilo Swaen has everybody busy with meetings with unions to hear from unions what the government knows full well for some time, that in reality the government knocked heads to please the same people from the party and also has taken into account that Holland wants to see certain changes in the governing of Aruba.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005_10_16_archive.html

[SS]

Well Nel did have a bit more hair back then.. 


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June 7th 2005 Article in Papi..If you can remember they searched this Hotel after being told Natalee's body was there..But all they found was a dead dog I believe found in a bag..Two days previous to this they found a blood soaked mattress in Grapefield Beach..We were told it was soaked  in dogs blood with a dead dog found near it. Rudy was gracious enough to let the FBI search the hotel,as we all see the video feeds and coverage here in the states of the FBI helping in this search with dogs. 

This article I believe says Natalee was seen in one of the bedrooms at the occidental(Allegro)Hotel.

07 Jun 2005

oranjestad-e caso of the desaparicion of the young mericano, natalee holloway is follow without wordo resolve y although have enough tipnan cu is enter cu the young is wordo see at all caminda, till still not owing to succeed localize y if have to tell cu yet speranzanan is cabando some poco. sinembargo, saturday the caso is strike one buelta serious hour cu informacion is enter cu owing to succeed see the child muhe in one bedroom of the hotel occidental resort, ex-allegro hotel. police cu the cuerpo special cu is in the buskeda together cu funcionaronan of fbi cu owing to descend come at masa aruba after cu diabierna minister rudy croes owing to give permission for this. owing to rondona the hotel completamente already cu as is conoci the hotel is in pleno construccion y debi at this the is become one good luga at keep y sconde a. sinembargo, after of one rato they owing to stop the “search” already cu not owing to succeed achieve nothing. also t’asina cu owing to achieve one colchon turn owing to blood y the speculacionnan owing to cuminza. sinembargo, thanks at the ekiponan special cu miembronan of fbi owing to trece for help cu the buskeda owing to succeed haci one test rapido y owing to come determina cu was deal of blood of cacho.

sinembargo, yesterday two person owing to stay deteni, esakinan is two person colo dark procedente of san nicolas y esakinan owing to wordo deteni at they cas. the two personanan here is securitu guard at dicho hotel cu owing to wordo listra y they're deteni actualmente for her caso of desaparicion of the young natalee holloway. kico is the acusacionnan contra the two personanan here cu is of nacionalidad haitiano, do not conoci but if have to is good strong for her mature cu they owing to wordo deteni. but till still not have pista concreto on the paradero of natallee holloway that today is haci one week cu the is perdi. last had one vigilia at height of arashi caminda cu several person owing to go place flower y owing to reza for help at achieve know one the child natallee holloway is.

http://www.antibomessa.com/index.php?option=news&task=viewarticle&sid=933&Itemid=2

Rudy's beard is so silly looking. He should just shave it off.  He looks like the Papa Smurf figure that my son had many years ago.

[jackb]

Jack she was only fluffing the sailors at a award ceremony and party with her friends Scubajap and Angela.

Aruba Heineken Catamaran Regatta 2007Farewell party and Award Ceremony @ Moomba 15Nov
http://tinyurl.com/6zdmv6
http://tinyurl.com/4c8xtb

The photo I am talking about is the one made with her and the younger guy in the purple shirt.   jackb

Nite dudes and dudettes.  Gotta long week.   Jackb

[Observer]

Rudy's beard is so silly looking. He should just shave it off.  He looks like the Papa Smurf figure that my son had many years ago.

LOL! I agree,but that is Betico Croes who is deceased and a legend in Aruba..This is the evil one giving a speech in September 2005 about how incredible Beth's attitude is..

Reminds me of the recently departed Charlton Heston and his famous line..The Damn Dirty Apes 

[klaasend]

Jack she was only fluffing the sailors at a award ceremony and party with her friends Scubajap and Angela.

Aruba Heineken Catamaran Regatta 2007Farewell party and Award Ceremony @ Moomba 15Nov
http://tinyurl.com/6zdmv6
http://tinyurl.com/4c8xtb

The photo I am talking about is the one made with her and the younger guy in the purple shirt.   jackb

Nite dudes and dudettes.  Gotta long week.   Jackb

Nite Jackb

[SS]

Rudy's beard is so silly looking. He should just shave it off.  He looks like the Papa Smurf figure that my son had many years ago.

LOL! I agree,but that is Betico Croes who is deceased and a legend in Aruba..This is the evil one giving a speech in September 2005 about how incredible Beth's attitude is..

Reminds me of the recently departed Charlton Heston and his famous line..The Damn Dirty Apes 

Wow, Betico and Rudy really look alike - and they both look like Papa Smurf.  We should get Carpe to give each of them a red hat and paint them blue.

[klaasend]

From what I understand Betico was wonderful and Rudy is the evil one.

[SS]

From what I understand Betico was wonderful and Rudy is the evil one.

I forget what Hendrik looks like.  Does anybody have a picture?

[Observer]

From what I understand Betico was wonderful and Rudy is the evil one.

I forget what Hendrik looks like.  Does anybody have a picture?

He doesn't wear the goat beard like the other 2