Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[SS]

When we were all upset about the boycott email list getting to Patrick, I just assumed that all of you were following the Shango posters when we were talking about Patrick staging the video, etc.  I just tried to find the CAPS post about the address and the seven years, but I can't find it.  CAPS doesn't always spell things the way that we do.    A few nights ago, I was telling all of you to go to the Shango threads because CAPS was giving us even more information about where the bad stuff had taken place.  The information about Patrick was last week, I think.

The letter that I sent to Patrick was actually one that I had posted on here the other night.  I decided to wait a few days before I actually sent it to Patrick.  When I sent it today, I added the information that CAPS had given us.  I wanted to see exactly what Patrick would say and I am also shocked that he posted it on his site without a denial.

[GBMW]

GBMW ... as time goes on it has been revealed that Joran's words in that video recording was one lie after another.  The three judge panel also came to that conclusion ... that is why Joran was not detained.  I wonder if Beth still has peace or ... she is beginning to reconsider.

I know I am.

Janet

I respect your opinion & I understand where it might come from. What do you think might have happened....at the moment?
But no matter what's to be believed of his confession: Joran has some loose ends in his brain

After seeing Jorans confession I knew right away he wouldn't be arrested. He stated she started shaking, thought she was dead and called a friend...he helped to bring 'the body' to the boat and walked home. The only criminal thing he did, according to his confession / the judges, was to help with the disposal of a body. You don't get a pre-arrest for that according to Dutch Law. So the judges decided he couldn't be arrested again.

Joran lies & has lied during the confession...I think he told the truth within a story.
Why? Because the story before the crucial moments was about 85 / 90 % the same as he has told in his statements + his way of talking / the body language & sitting in the car with his friend...all of that makes me believe there is some truth in that confession. And the way he showed how Natalee shaked...well no doubt in my mind he was there when this happened...I still get sick in my stomach thinking about that moment.

I believe the ALE thinks there is a lot of truth in Jorans confession as well....because they want to charge him with murder or manslaughter (because he / they didn't know for sure she was dead)...they're looking for the back up evidence for this charge.  And they need back up evidence for that charge in order to get a pre arrest. The fact that this hasn't happened yet is dissapointing but investigating takes time...but they are working on it...really they are (and that's not just an opinion ..).

And the fact that some things don't add up...well Joran might have given details to protect helpful friend(s) or didn't tell certain things to protect himself (maybe he did know why Natalee started shaking?)
I believe Joran gave the name Daury just to give a name...he felt Patrick wanted to hear a name and he gave it...so he could continue his story.
The phonecall: well might very well be he didn't make that call from the phonebooth. Didn't Freddie work at the Mariott sometime? Well maybe he had another friend working there (or at another casiono / hotel nearby)...he goes to the hotel / casino and asks his friends phone so he can call home / another friend for a lift / help etc.

I can understand why some people might get some doubts though...(they do come to my mind sometimes as well). But I don't care how many lies he might have told..at the moment I really believe he is involved; no matter what 3 judges decided on it . Of course I might be wrong & it's the wrong kind of thinking...to judge without evidence...well hey...I'm only human

I hope there will be some official information coming out soon....and maybe Patricks book will give some more interesting info.

[MumInOhio]

When we were all upset about the boycott email list getting to Patrick, I just assumed that all of you were following the Shango posters when we were talking about Patrick staging the video, etc.  I just tried to find the CAPS post about the address and the seven years, but I can't find it.  CAPS doesn't always spell things the way that we do.    A few nights ago, I was telling all of you to go to the Shango threads because CAPS was giving us even more information about where the bad stuff had taken place.  The information about Patrick was last week, I think.

The letter that I sent to Patrick was actually one that I had posted on here the other night.  I decided to wait a few days before I actually sent it to Patrick.  When I sent it today, I added the information that CAPS had given us.  I wanted to see exactly what Patrick would say and I am also shocked that he posted it on his site without a denial.

SS…there was some confusion? Not sure where it went!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1780


« Reply #1793 on: April 10, 2008, 03:43:05 PM »

[SS]

Janet, do I understand this right? Patrick was confronted with the fact that he has known the Van Der Sloots (I'm assuming this is an interpersonal relationship and not just knowing of them) for seven years and he didn't deny it?

That is my post and my confrontation.  You are correct and he did not deny knowing the Sloots or being former neighbors of the Kalpoes.  He focused instead on crime in the US v. Aruba, and I feel that he referred to us as racist because we would not have concern for a missing African-American girl.

Thank you SS, I thought it was your post and his reply. I wasn't sure who's post it was connected to. Thanks for clearing that all up.

One last question, ok? in the post that he refers to "Soph", does he address that 7 year relationship?

This is a huge issue in my opinion, and not to over dramatize it, but if Patrick has a 7 year relationship with the Sloots, it can only be one thing - collusion.

Rob,
     I think the Soph he is referring to is someone who posted near the top of his discussion forum.  She was suggesting that instead of fighting, we should put our energies into a memorial for Natalee.  Patrick did not deny anything in my last sentence, which was very6 carefully stated.
     You really should read some of his comments in that forum.  I don't read German, but their is one where I can very clearly see KKK.  In my letter to Patrick, I did not personally attack him in any manner.  As a matter of fact I reminded him of times when we were supportive of him and also that we appreciated all that he had done to expose Joran.  I offered empathy that his island suffers financial loses. His response to me accused us of being racist.  I have no time for that.

[klaasend]

Janet, do I understand this right? Patrick was confronted with the fact that he has known the Van Der Sloots (I'm assuming this is an interpersonal relationship and not just knowing of them) for seven years and he didn't deny it?

That is my post and my confrontation.  You are correct and he did not deny knowing the Sloots or being former neighbors of the Kalpoes.  He focused instead on crime in the US v. Aruba, and I feel that he referred to us as racist because we would not have concern for a missing African-American girl.

Thank you SS, I thought it was your post and his reply. I wasn't sure who's post it was connected to. Thanks for clearing that all up.

One last question, ok? in the post that he refers to "Soph", does he address that 7 year relationship?

This is a huge issue in my opinion, and not to over dramatize it, but if Patrick has a 7 year relationship with the Sloots, it can only be one thing - collusion.

Rob,
     I think the Soph he is referring to is someone who posted near the top of his discussion forum.  She was suggesting that instead of fighting, we should put our energies into a memorial for Natalee.  Patrick did not deny anything in my last sentence, which was very6 carefully stated.
     You really should read some of his comments in that forum.  I don't read German, but their is one where I can very clearly see KKK.  In my letter to Patrick, I did not personally attack him in any manner.  As a matter of fact I reminded him of times when we were supportive of him and also that we appreciated all that he had done to expose Joran.  I offered empathy that his island suffers financial loses. His response to me accused us of being racist.  I have no time for that.

Just because I'm a stickler for details  ...Patrick does not have a forum, it is a BLOG with comments allowed.  Also I doubt anything would be posted in German at his site but rather in Dutch.  You can translate pretty well any Dutch postings using Google Translate.

[Tamikosmom]

GBMW ... thank you for your heartfelt post.  However ... you are right ... we will have to agree to disagree on several aspects of your post.

I believe that the only part of the "confession" that rings true is the "shaking".  That the the only part of the "confession" that can be backed up.

Jug and Beth were questioned by the Dennis Jacobs on June 1, 2005 in regards to Natalee and seizures.  Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was destroyed ... WHY?

EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A LIE!

How can Joran be charged with "disposing of a body".  A seventeen year old young man does not have theexpertise/  qualifications to determine death.

Also ... if it is believed that Joran acted alone ... then the gardeners observation/testimony is negated.  Freddy's witness statements regarding both the shaking and the involvement of Deepak and Satish are negated.  The Superior Court's ruling that Paulus did declare to the Twitty Group that he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

GBMW ... I believe that the video recording "confession" is all an elaborate scheme ... all about implicating "only" Joran and ... distancing the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus ... distancing the Pimps who can implicate Paulus ... distancing those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body on the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... distancing those in the Dutch/Aruban administration/judiciary who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

I will spare you the backup quotes unless you want me to post them.  I would be more than happy to do that.

Janet

[SS]

Thanks Mum, I couldn't find it anywhere.
I'm not very good at bringing posts from other threads, but at least this is the raw data. 

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 01:41:04 AM
Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.


The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...

[Rob]

I watched as much of the tapes as anyone else... all the stuff that was in English or was translated. As the Dutch posters said, 'we didn't get it all and the inflictions in the voice'... There was only one area that really stuck out for me... it was when Patrick said he saw Joran in the casino and he called him maton* = murderer. Strange way to greet someone you have never met before.

just my 'o'

[Tamikosmom]

Hi ******* ...

Whadda ya think friend.

Janet

[SS]

Janet, do I understand this right? Patrick was confronted with the fact that he has known the Van Der Sloots (I'm assuming this is an interpersonal relationship and not just knowing of them) for seven years and he didn't deny it?

That is my post and my confrontation.  You are correct and he did not deny knowing the Sloots or being former neighbors of the Kalpoes.  He focused instead on crime in the US v. Aruba, and I feel that he referred to us as racist because we would not have concern for a missing African-American girl.

Thank you SS, I thought it was your post and his reply. I wasn't sure who's post it was connected to. Thanks for clearing that all up.

One last question, ok? in the post that he refers to "Soph", does he address that 7 year relationship?

This is a huge issue in my opinion, and not to over dramatize it, but if Patrick has a 7 year relationship with the Sloots, it can only be one thing - collusion.

Rob,
     I think the Soph he is referring to is someone who posted near the top of his discussion forum.  She was suggesting that instead of fighting, we should put our energies into a memorial for Natalee.  Patrick did not deny anything in my last sentence, which was very6 carefully stated.
     You really should read some of his comments in that forum.  I don't read German, but their is one where I can very clearly see KKK.  In my letter to Patrick, I did not personally attack him in any manner.  As a matter of fact I reminded him of times when we were supportive of him and also that we appreciated all that he had done to expose Joran.  I offered empathy that his island suffers financial loses. His response to me accused us of being racist.  I have no time for that.

Just because I'm a stickler for details  ...Patrick does not have a forum, it is a BLOG with comments allowed.  Also I doubt anything would be posted in German at his site but rather in Dutch.  You can translate pretty well any Dutch postings using Google Translate.

Sorry Klaas, you're absolutely right.  It probably is Dutch and he does have a blog. 

[Observer]

Hi ******* ...

Whadda ya think friend.

Janet

Hi Janet I am sooo Happy about Peaches!!!! 

I am thouroughly disgusted and holding back a lenghthy post..The more Patrick speaks the more angrier I get.. No doubt in my mind the confession was rigged and Patrick is FOS!! Some people will do anything for money

[KarmaRoundUp]

Patricks Blog

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Is all this BS for real?
I've been reading Patrick's responses and feel like I took a bad trip over to skanks-r-us!
WE have a KKK mentality????
WTH is going on here with Patrick.......sounds to me that Patrick is against the boycott(understandable I guess,his opinion and all that good caca)but he leaves me with the impression that he would really like for all of us Natalee supporters to 1)concentrate on ALL of our own crimes and 2)realize that he and Peter(or Patrick alone)solved this case with the so called joran tapes and could we all just skip along with the butterflies and rainbows and sing praises of forgiveness for aruba.What a bunch of bull caca.....I feel dirty.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Janet, do I understand this right? Patrick was confronted with the fact that he has known the Van Der Sloots (I'm assuming this is an interpersonal relationship and not just knowing of them) for seven years and he didn't deny it?

That is my post and my confrontation.  You are correct and he did not deny knowing the Sloots or being former neighbors of the Kalpoes.  He focused instead on crime in the US v. Aruba, and I feel that he referred to us as racist because we would not have concern for a missing African-American girl.

Yup,I read that on his blog just now.Where is the info about hyim knowing the sloots for 7 years(and kalpoe neighbor)coming from?

[SS]

GBMW ... thank you for your heartfelt post.  However ... you are right ... we will have to agree to disagree on several aspects of your post.

I believe that the only part of the "confession" that rings true is the "shaking".  That the the only part of the "confession" that can be backed up.

Jug and Beth were questioned by the Dennis Jacobs on June 1, 2005 in regards to Natalee and seizures.  Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was destroyed ... WHY?

EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A LIE!

How can Joran be charged with "disposing of a body".  A seventeen year old young man does not have theexpertise/  qualifications to determine death.

Also ... if it is believed that Joran acted alone ... then the gardeners observation/testimony is negated.  Freddy's witness statements regarding both the shaking and the involvement of Deepak and Satish are negated.  The Superior Court's ruling that Paulus did declare to the Twitty Group that he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

GBMW ... I believe that the video recording "confession" is all an elaborate scheme ... all about implicating "only" Joran and ... distancing the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus ... distancing the Pimps who can implicate Paulus ... distancing those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body on the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... distancing those in the Dutch/Aruban administration/judiciary who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

I will spare you the backup quotes unless you want me to post them.  I would be more than happy to do that.

Janet

Janet,

     I agree with you completely that the entire video is a sham.  I think it was an attempt to tie up all lose ends into a nice package where everyone would win including Joran, the Alpo brothers, Papa Ditch, Joe Taco, but not Natalee.  I have also wondered if Patrick is earning rewards from AHATA for things like his no boycott letter to us.  I am convinced that the video has brought lots and lots of money to Patrick.  I have another theory and all of you might think that I am crazy, but I posted on the last page of today's Shango thread.  I could be wrong, but I feel a connection.

[hotping]

Patrick...I don't know if You read here or not but if so this is for You......You need to remember that We Monkeys are not only Monkeys We are People and We have Children and Loved Ones just like You do....We are not trying to hurt the people of Aruba who are innocent in this case....We are trying to protect Our own and any others that go to Aruba thinking that it is safe to go there...It is Not Safe to go there. Have You any idea of all the people that have suspiciously died on the Island of Aruba since Natalee's Disappearance...Don't even try to tell Us that Boycotting Aruba is wrong....because Your words are falling on Deaf Ears....Until You Educate Yourself more about this case You need to refrain from telling Us what to do in regards to it.....

How would You feel if You came to the USA with Your Family and something happened to one of Your Children or Your Wife and nothing was done to help You....or what was done was Very Little and Alot of Nothing....Sure The ALE and Everyone of official compacity in Aruba said that They did all They could do to find Natalee...But Come on Patrick do You really believe that.....You are not Really Ever going to Convince Any of Us that They did....because You know better. We will continue to do what We think is best and that is to Boycott Aruba....until Beth and Dave get Real Answers as to what happened to Natalee.... By Your comments on Your Blog...It really makes Me wonder if You are getting paid to say some of the things that You are saying.....You also need to remember that The Scared Monkeys on this site are here out of Love and Caring for a Young Lady who went to Aruba in May of 2005 for a short Visit and never returned due to the Aruban People that Do Not have Love in Their Hearts Enough to do the Right Thing..

We Stand With the Girl...Natalee Holloway

If The People of Aruba will Ever at Some Point in Time Clean Up the Dirty Little Island....They will Probably Someday See More Prosperity than They have Ever Know not only Monetarily but Spiritually As Well! God Bless The People of Aruba who need to tell the Truth!

Sincerely PC

       

[Tamikosmom]

GBMW ... thank you for your heartfelt post.  However ... you are right ... we will have to agree to disagree on several aspects of your post.

I believe that the only part of the "confession" that rings true is the "shaking".  That the the only part of the "confession" that can be backed up.

Jug and Beth were questioned by the Dennis Jacobs on June 1, 2005 in regards to Natalee and seizures.  Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was destroyed ... WHY?

EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A LIE!

How can Joran be charged with "disposing of a body".  A seventeen year old young man does not have theexpertise/  qualifications to determine death.

Also ... if it is believed that Joran acted alone ... then the gardeners observation/testimony is negated.  Freddy's witness statements regarding both the shaking and the involvement of Deepak and Satish are negated.  The Superior Court's ruling that Paulus did declare to the Twitty Group that he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

GBMW ... I believe that the video recording "confession" is all an elaborate scheme ... all about implicating "only" Joran and ... distancing the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus ... distancing the Pimps who can implicate Paulus ... distancing those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body on the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... distancing those in the Dutch/Aruban administration/judiciary who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

I will spare you the backup quotes unless you want me to post them.  I would be more than happy to do that.

Janet

Janet,

     I agree with you completely that the entire video is a sham.  I think it was an attempt to tie up all lose ends into a nice package where everyone would win including Joran, the Alpo brothers, Papa Ditch, Joe Taco, but not Natalee.  I have also wondered if Patrick is earning rewards from AHATA for things like his no boycott letter to us.  I am convinced that the video has brought lots and lots of money to Patrick.  I have another theory and all of you might think that I am crazy, but I posted on the last page of today's Shango thread.  I could be wrong, but I feel a connection.

OK ... I will very quietly tip toe over to THAT thread.  However ... do not tell the other Monkeys. I have emphatically declared since way back that I do not adhere to the Shango riddles.

 

Janet

[Rob]

I said it before...

the only thing that happened was the crime scene was moved.

[KarmaRoundUp]

GBMW ... thank you for your heartfelt post.  However ... you are right ... we will have to agree to disagree on several aspects of your post.

I believe that the only part of the "confession" that rings true is the "shaking".  That the the only part of the "confession" that can be backed up.

Jug and Beth were questioned by the Dennis Jacobs on June 1, 2005 in regards to Natalee and seizures.  Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was destroyed ... WHY?

EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A LIE!

How can Joran be charged with "disposing of a body".  A seventeen year old young man does not have theexpertise/  qualifications to determine death.

Also ... if it is believed that Joran acted alone ... then the gardeners observation/testimony is negated.  Freddy's witness statements regarding both the shaking and the involvement of Deepak and Satish are negated.  The Superior Court's ruling that Paulus did declare to the Twitty Group that he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

GBMW ... I believe that the video recording "confession" is all an elaborate scheme ... all about implicating "only" Joran and ... distancing the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus ... distancing the Pimps who can implicate Paulus ... distancing those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body on the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... distancing those in the Dutch/Aruban administration/judiciary who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

I will spare you the backup quotes unless you want me to post them.  I would be more than happy to do that.

Janet

I totally agree with you Janet.

[Lala'sMom]

For those of you that don't venture to the Shango forum...he is a synopsis of Caps interpretation of Shango that includes Patrick:

CapsLockWizard

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #1216 on: April 05, 2008, 11:08:27 AM »
   
Now let examine the word  "a sacrifice" , "the sacrifice"
 

"the sacrifice" is a person and after deed is done will return to the procecuter.

Remeber shongo uses coding to hide the person and you have to change on or two letter to find the person.

Now this person is know and I belive they must call hin

S c a r e f a c e
S a c r i f i c e

Now Patric van Emm was there to doe the deed, he was contracted by Joran to do his dirty laundry.

Exambple.:

the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods (THE USA NEWS MEDIA) and cowboys (Holloway’s)

But the sacrifice PATRICK VAN EEM)  will be offered before dirty hand (STEVE CROES) sings
He will return to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS), broken but anonymous.

He will go back to babylon (PUBLIC PROSECUTERS)  broken, after the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) is eaten (make believe by the Media)

The young Lamb (JORAN) der Sloot shall be the sacrifice (PATRICK VAN EEM) for the Arawaks (MICHEAL POSNER) and the cowboys (???? DIRTY FBI).
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat (JORAN)
The gods (ATTORNEY GENERAL THERESA CROES–FERNANDEZ PEDRA)  are talking
DirtyHand (DTKM) is alive and well

CAPS LOCK WIZRD

[Lala'sMom]

Since I have been accused of not listening to Caps...just wanted to prove that I do indeed pay attention.  More about Patrick here:


CapsLockWizard

Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #1218 on: April 05, 2008, 11:13:56 AM »
   
Check what Patrick van eem said.. and compre it with the post

Monkeys research it..its all there.



most perps think that they have foul the readers and then when the smoke clear after 2.5 years, thinking that the case is now dead, lets go make some money, and forgot that their acction will link them exactly to the riddle.

Good friends for 7 years, I know Joran from the Casino, I talk to him in our lingo. BUT I DID NOT KNOW HIM BEFORE.

in CAPSLINGO we have a PARADOX