Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[klaasend]

Posted by Marco at RU:

I believe Joran is totally out of control, and is playing games where ever he can, to the limit and above.

I believe he's been caught (on tape) and feels he has nothing to loose.

He's playing a very dangerous game (not a poker game).

He has stories all over the place.
Laughing at the fact that people believe he was in a mental hospital.
I also believe his parents have totally have released them self from Joran.
They where there to support Joran on P & W.
Anita was defending him.
Then he threw the wine on De Vries.
After that the tapes of De Vries where shown on tv, no one ever heard of Anita and Paul after that.
I think they have it with their son.

[jackb]

Joran stal 6000 van eenzame loser

Joran van der Sloot zit niet in een gekkengesticht, zoals zijn ouders ons willen doen geloven, hij is aan het feesten in Thailand. "hij schijnt zich te vermaken met Amerikaanse toeristen, ze willen zelfs met hem op de foto", aldus een Thaise tipgevert. En zojuist deed ene Martin Bakx in RTLBoulevard zijn verhaal over zijn 'speciale relatie' met Joran via internet. Joran heeft deze Bakx voor enkele duizenden euro's geld afhandig gemaakt, door een relatie met de oude zielepoot op te bouwen. Hij maakte de chatter wijs dat hij in Thailand met drugs was betrapt. Daarom had hij gewoon even duizend euro nodig om een agent om te kopen teneinde tien jaar cel te voorkomen. "He swa, ik sweer het je, je krijgt het gelijk direct meteen weer terug man. We zijn toch brothas" Allemaal gelul natuurlijk, maar Bakx gaf Joran zijn login van een een of andere internetbank, die vervolgens door laatstgenoemde geplunderd werd totdat er opeens 6000 euro weg was. Ook op zoek naar gratis geld? Neem contact op met Martin Bakx. Ben je meer van het partytype en op zoek naar een leuk feestje, wat wijven en gratis bier? Joran heb je ook zo gevonden, daar in Bangkok...

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/1274931.html

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The follow link is to an English translation of the above.  I cannot seem to copy it.

Janet

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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/1274931.html&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Martin%2BBakx%2522%2Bjoran%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG

Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)
oran did not steal 6000 of solitary loser
 joranfuik.jpg Joran of of the ditch sits in a crazy person hospice, such as its parents our want believe do, he is for celebrating in Thailand. he seems amuse itself with American tourists, they want even with him on the photograph, thus Thai tipgevert. And zojuist one Martin Bakx in RTLBoulevard did be tale concerning its special relation with Joran by means of Internet. Joran these Bakx for some thousands of euro money has made afhandig, by building a relation with the old zielepoot. He made the chatter wise that he had been caught in Thailand with drugs. For this reason he had to simply even thousand buy euro necessary for an agent in order to prevent cell ten years. He swa, I sweer you, you recover the right direct immediately man. We zijn toch brothas" Allemaal gelul natuurlijk, maar Bakx gaf Joran zijn login van een een of andere internetbank, die vervolgens door laatstgenoemde geplunderd werd totdat er opeens 6000 euro weg was. Ook op zoek naar gratis geld? Neem contact op met Martin Bakx. Ben je meer van het partytype en op zoek naar een leuk feestje, wat wijven en gratis bier? Joran heb je ook zo gevonden, daar in Bangkok...
Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)

[jackb]

Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)
oran did not steal 6000 of solitary loser
 joranfuik.jpg Joran of of the ditch sits in a crazy person hospice, such as its parents our want believe do, he is for celebrating in Thailand. he seems amuse itself with American tourists, they want even with him on the photograph, thus Thai tipgevert. And zojuist one Martin Bakx in RTLBoulevard did be tale concerning its special relation with Joran by means of Internet. Joran these Bakx for some thousands of euro money has made afhandig, by building a relation with the old zielepoot. He made the chatter wise that he had been caught in Thailand with drugs. For this reason he had to simply even thousand buy euro necessary for an agent in order to prevent cell ten years. He swa, I sweer you, you recover the right direct immediately man. We zijn toch brothas" Allemaal gelul natuurlijk, maar Bakx gaf Joran zijn login van een een of andere internetbank, die vervolgens door laatstgenoemde geplunderd werd totdat er opeens 6000 euro weg was. Ook op zoek naar gratis geld? Neem contact op met Martin Bakx. Ben je meer van het partytype en op zoek naar een leuk feestje, wat wijven en gratis bier? Joran heb je ook zo gevonden, daar in Bangkok...
Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)

That is not much, but maybe we can get the gist of it.  jackb

[Observer]

it is a paradise there for child molesters.
he wouldn't be doing volunteer work for some charity organistation helping the people in need i think.
i hope he hasn't caused much harm there.

Yes I know..Thailand is legendary for child predators..I haven't heard a peep from this guy in a long time..I really want to know if he has any connection with Joran and where Joran was in Thailand? Who did he visit in that country and why? This may lay some credence from that American tourist we heard about that saw the VDS family in Thailand or was that Hong Kong?

After a while the Authorities crack down on this and they have in recent years..Many of the sickos now vacation in places like Cambodia and Costa rica..I noticed even Margarita Island cracked down big time to the "Adult Vacations" resorts off the coast of Venezuela and they were forced to relocate to places like the D.R.

[Buckeye]

Can anyone see a date on the chat log??

Remember this??

NativeLingo  PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:32 pm         

Joran under arrest???
Just on Canal 90:

Apparently Joran under arrest again...

MF? Julia? Charlie? Glenda?

[Buckeye]

it is a paradise there for child molesters.
he wouldn't be doing volunteer work for some charity organistation helping the people in need i think.
i hope he hasn't caused much harm there.

Yes I know..Thailand is legendary for child predators..I haven't heard a peep from this guy in a long time..I really want to know if he has any connection with Joran and where Joran was in Thailand? Who did he visit in that country and why? This may lay some credence from that American tourist we heard about that saw the VDS family in Thailand or was that Hong Kong?

After a while the Authorities crack down on this and they have in recent years..Many of the sickos now vacation in places like Cambodia and Costa rica..I noticed even Margarita Island cracked down big time to the "Adult Vacations" resorts off the coast of Venezuela and they were forced to relocate to places like the D.R.

Fancy hotel in Seoul Korea.

[Observer]

Posted by Marco at RU:

I believe Joran is totally out of control, and is playing games where ever he can, to the limit and above.

I believe he's been caught (on tape) and feels he has nothing to loose.

He's playing a very dangerous game (not a poker game).

He has stories all over the place.
Laughing at the fact that people believe he was in a mental hospital.
I also believe his parents have totally have released them self from Joran.
They where there to support Joran on P & W.
Anita was defending him.
Then he threw the wine on De Vries.
After that the tapes of De Vries where shown on tv, no one ever heard of Anita and Paul after that.
I think they have it with their son.

Well Shit!! You would think they would have put there foot down after he drugged,raped and threatened people even before Natalee arrived. Killed his own dog,smashed windows,beat his brother up,stole from his parents and vandalized..If that wasn't bad enough he became involved in the drugging,rape and murder of Natalee Holloway and still they covered up and protected him..He thinks more then ever that he is invincible and it's there fault for creating the Monster.

[bleachedblack]

it is a paradise there for child molesters.
he wouldn't be doing volunteer work for some charity organistation helping the people in need i think.
i hope he hasn't caused much harm there.

Yes I know..Thailand is legendary for child predators..I haven't heard a peep from this guy in a long time..I really want to know if he has any connection with Joran and where Joran was in Thailand? Who did he visit in that country and why? This may lay some credence from that American tourist we heard about that saw the VDS family in Thailand or was that Hong Kong?

After a while the Authorities crack down on this and they have in recent years..Many of the sickos now vacation in places like Cambodia and Costa rica..I noticed even Margarita Island cracked down big time to the "Adult Vacations" resorts off the coast of Venezuela and they were forced to relocate to places like the D.R.

I recall reading that Marten van den berg married (after much blatant advertising I might add) a 27 year old Thai woman in December 2006.

[Observer]

Can anyone see a date on the chat log??

Remember this??

NativeLingo  PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:32 pm         

Joran under arrest???
Just on Canal 90:

Apparently Joran under arrest again...

MF? Julia? Charlie? Glenda?

Yup!!Did they leak something? Did someone else buy his freedom and he needed some party money and scammed a doofus joran follower? Thanks for reminding me that it was South Korea..Which makes no sense,because it's not near Thailand and it's a strange time to pull kids and a school teacher out of school for a holiday in Asia.

[Observer]

I recall reading that Marten van den berg married (after much blatant advertising I might add) a 27 year old Thai woman in December 2006.

I remember that and he even posted pictures of him and his new bride..He ran some pool place and was active on several of his own sites about meeting people in Thailand which I think he abandoned in the last year.

[WhiskeyGirl]

The other Marten connections - I'd almost forgotten about these ~

An Aruban cop
A porn industry person

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/search/label/Truth%20for%20Natalee

There are also some interesting comments elsewhere.

[jackb]

Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)
oran did not steal 6000 of solitary loser
 joranfuik.jpg Joran of of the ditch sits in a crazy person hospice, such as its parents our want believe do, he is for celebrating in Thailand. he seems amuse itself with American tourists, they want even with him on the photograph, thus Thai tipgevert. And zojuist one Martin Bakx in RTLBoulevard did be tale concerning its special relation with Joran by means of Internet. Joran these Bakx for some thousands of euro money has made afhandig, by building a relation with the old zielepoot. He made the chatter wise that he had been caught in Thailand with drugs. For this reason he had to simply even thousand buy euro necessary for an agent in order to prevent cell ten years. He swa, I sweer you, you recover the right direct immediately man. We zijn toch brothas" Allemaal gelul natuurlijk, maar Bakx gaf Joran zijn login van een een of andere internetbank, die vervolgens door laatstgenoemde geplunderd werd totdat er opeens 6000 euro weg was. Ook op zoek naar gratis geld? Neem contact op met Martin Bakx. Ben je meer van het partytype en op zoek naar een leuk feestje, wat wijven en gratis bier? Joran heb je ook zo gevonden, daar in Bangkok...
Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)

That is not much, but maybe we can get the gist of it.  jackb

Here is the rest of it.  Hope it helps.  Jackb

Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)
oran did not steal 6000 of solitary loser
 joranfuik.jpg Joran of of the ditch sits in a crazy person hospice, such as its parents our want believe do, he is for celebrating in Thailand. he seems amuse itself with American tourists, they want even with him on the photograph, thus Thai tipgevert. And zojuist one Martin Bakx in RTLBoulevard did be tale concerning its special relation with Joran by means of Internet. Joran these Bakx for some thousands of euro money has made afhandig, by building a relation with the old zielepoot. He made the chatter wise that he had been caught in Thailand with drugs. For this reason he had to simply even thousand buy euro necessary for an agent in order to prevent cell ten years. He swa, I sweer you, you recover the right direct immediately man. We zijn toch brothas" Allemaal gelul natuurlijk, maar Bakx gaf Joran zijn login van een een of andere internetbank, die vervolgens door laatstgenoemde geplunderd werd totdat er opeens 6000 euro weg was. Ook op zoek naar gratis geld? Neem contact op met Martin Bakx. Ben je meer van het partytype en op zoek naar een leuk feestje, wat wijven en gratis bier? Joran heb je ook zo gevonden, daar in Bangkok...

[Observer]

Chiang Mai Thailand - Chiang Mai
Caucasian with Blond hair 58 years old

Looking for Female
Age between 18 and 25
Live in Thailand
Must not be looking for Hang Out

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member304603.htm

www.MeetingThaiPeople.com

[klaasend]

Thanks Jackb

[Tamikosmom]

I believe that JVDS remains the key to solving this case.  I believe he knows what happened to Natalee, and who was involved.

As long as he continues to breath, I believe he has the opportunity for redemption and confessing his involvement in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The truth hurts for a little while, lies hurt forever.

I agree 100%.

WhiskeyGirl ... I believe that Joran is the one who is going to bring down the Aruban house of cards which Art Wood refers to.

I pray that when this young man ... who is obviously spinning out of control ... comes to the point when the load he is carrying is too great ... he will bow and reach up ... plead forgiveness from God and those he has wronged.  On the glorious day ... the truth the family of Natalee Holloway have been striving for ... will be revealed and ... Joran's changed heart will imply that he will willingly accept the consequences for all his wrongdoings. 

Janet

<snipped>

He Touched Me

Words and Music: William J. Gaither

Shackled by a heavy burden,
'Neath a load of guilt and shame.
Then the hand of Jesus touched me,
And now I am no longer the same.

He touched me, Oh He touched me,
And oh the joy that floods my soul!
Something happened and now I know,
He touched me and made me whole.

Since I met this blessed Savior,
Since He cleansed and made me whole,
I will never cease to praise Him,
I'll shout it while eternity rolls.

He touched me, Oh He touched me,
And oh the joy that floods my soul!
Something happened and now I know
He touched me and made me whole.

[jackb]

Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)
oran did not steal 6000 of solitary loser
 joranfuik.jpg Joran of of the ditch sits in a crazy person hospice, such as its parents our want believe do, he is for celebrating in Thailand. he seems amuse itself with American tourists, they want even with him on the photograph, thus Thai tipgevert. And zojuist one Martin Bakx in RTLBoulevard did be tale concerning its special relation with Joran by means of Internet. Joran these Bakx for some thousands of euro money has made afhandig, by building a relation with the old zielepoot. He made the chatter wise that he had been caught in Thailand with drugs. For this reason he had to simply even thousand buy euro necessary for an agent in order to prevent cell ten years. He swa, I sweer you, you recover the right direct immediately man. We zijn toch brothas" Allemaal gelul natuurlijk, maar Bakx gaf Joran zijn login van een een of andere internetbank, die vervolgens door laatstgenoemde geplunderd werd totdat er opeens 6000 euro weg was. Ook op zoek naar gratis geld? Neem contact op met Martin Bakx. Ben je meer van het partytype en op zoek naar een leuk feestje, wat wijven en gratis bier? Joran heb je ook zo gevonden, daar in Bangkok...
Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)

That is not much, but maybe we can get the gist of it.  jackb

Here is the rest of it.  Hope it helps.  Jackb

Prof. Hoxha | 22-04-08 | 19:27 | Link | Comments (474)
oran did not steal 6000 of solitary loser
 joranfuik.jpg Joran of of the ditch sits in a crazy person hospice, such as its parents our want believe do, he is for celebrating in Thailand. he seems amuse itself with American tourists, they want even with him on the photograph, thus Thai tipgevert. And zojuist one Martin Bakx in RTLBoulevard did be tale concerning its special relation with Joran by means of Internet. Joran these Bakx for some thousands of euro money has made afhandig, by building a relation with the old zielepoot. He made the chatter wise that he had been caught in Thailand with drugs. For this reason he had to simply even thousand buy euro necessary for an agent in order to prevent cell ten years. He swa, I sweer you, you recover the right direct immediately man. We are nevertheless brothas all gelul natural, but Bakx gave its login of or an other Internet bank, which vervolgens last mentioned was plundered to Joran until there were suddenly 6000 euro gone. Also in search of free money? Get in touch with Martin Bakx. Are you more of the party type and in search of a nice party, what wijven and free beer? Joran have also this way found you, there in Bangkok…

  I am trying to get it all together.  LOL  j/b

[Rob]

I just want to say the nice thing about SM is the victim is recognized. For that I am eternally thankful. We need to remember that Mart Bakx is also most likely a victim. I know that some will say he is an old man, and I also know that some will say he got what he deserved.

unfortunately, there are people out there that do not have the mental capacity to completely determine what's good for them or not. Some people are way too trusting, and for that I do thank them for reminding me of the good that some people still possess. Maybe Mr Mart needs an adviser to help him in his affairs. That would be a good idea and it would happen before he was hurt again.

[Observer]

Chiang Mai Thailand - Chiang Mai
Caucasian with Blond hair 58 years old

Looking for Female
Age between 18 and 25
Live in Thailand
Must not be looking for Hang Out

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member304603.htm

www.MeetingThaiPeople.com

I am gonna stop right now researching this Perv.. I am about to throw up at all the 60 yr old retired Americans living in and around bangkok preying on children both male and female. I think Marten got himself into a little trouble in that country and took down his sites and went low profile. He most certainly thinks he was smarter then everyone else and use to boast about his activities..Not anymore it looks like..

[klaasend]

Posted by Obscuregoddess at RU (she claims to be internet friends with Joran )

I am not even going to state my opinion or knowledge or anything... Not going to get myself involved in any arguments because I am trying to stay in a good mood. i will say, for the record, this Martin guy was very "fond" of Joran... regardless of what may have or may not have happened where this is concerned. Martin is gay or bi, period. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying...  He is kind of acting like a scorned lover. IF Joran ripped him off, (as I said-- not going to state my opinion to preserve what sanity I have left today) Martin is behaving like someone who just got dumped or hurt by their significant other... revenge mode. No one should be excused for their roles in whatever they did wrong here, whether it be Joran or this guy... But man, oh man. Okay, I am hushing now.

[LilPuma]

FWIW, I'm watching a rerun of HGTV's House Hunters International right now, as I type.  Their showing a woman looking for a home/condo in Holland; I think Amsterdam, but not sure.  This show is replayed later if anyone is curious.