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« Reply #860 on: April 23, 2008, 10:35:15 AM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 

oh really ,i was also in Den Dolder 2 weeks ago


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« Reply #861 on: April 23, 2008, 10:44:55 AM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 


our reporters ? do you work for a magazine ? tv ?

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« Reply #862 on: April 23, 2008, 10:46:17 AM »

are these pics recent and from thailand ?





these look like pics that were taken after jvds was served the papers as he arrived in new york.  the network wienie assigned to pick him up covered him up with a jacket.
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« Reply #863 on: April 23, 2008, 11:15:41 AM »

Just posted on the front page of SM:

Amsterdam 020 wrote:


http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/internet_en_gadgets/artikel/asp/artnr/202835/rss/true/index.html

http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/195265/Joran-lichtte-vriend-op-vanuit-Thailand.html

http://www.rtl.nl//actueel/rtlboulevard/video/2008_week17.xml

the last link is a video from a dutch news show yesterday. Peter de Vries is also present.

The bottom line is that apparently, Joran is partying in Thailand and was in the mean time chatting with some guy he met through Hyves. At one point, de guy asked “I thought you were admitted in a mental hospital” to which Joran replied “haha I fooled everyone”.

Joran later told this man that he was being black mailed by the Thai cops because he had some soft drugs on him. He claimed that he had to pay this cop off. So the guy transferred 1000 euro’s to Joran and later gave him his online banking data. After that Joran took another 1500 euro’s from the account of this man.

Peter de Vries says in the video that he already knew that Joran wasn’t in a hospital but in Asia.

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« Reply #864 on: April 23, 2008, 11:37:44 AM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 


our reporters ? do you work for a magazine ? tv ?


TV.
Thanks for posting the pic of de Witte BTW!
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« Reply #865 on: April 23, 2008, 11:43:07 AM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 



Joran was conning Mart.  Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.

Yeah I think so....buying off cops in Thailand for a couple of thousand Euros? I have a hard time believing that story (especially combined with the picture of those people being in his room pointing a gun at him). But then again...maybe he's in Den Dolder because he was so shocked after that experience 

Don't know what to believe anymore?
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« Reply #866 on: April 23, 2008, 11:57:05 AM »

Here are the chats we got on camera (the interview doesn't give extra info except the fact it seems Joran has another debt in a casino (Hong Kong)...)….the translations are loose because Joran uses slang a bit so I’ve interpreted the meaning sometimes because otherwise, with a literal translation, it wouldn’t make sense.

??? mean I couldn’t read it so words / sentences are missing


Joran:
Hey man how’s it going?
I will pay you back, next month, I promise



Another:
Yeah look, what I’ve done is not ok but I had no other choice and by putting it online you’ve put me in danger.
Are you on several blogs? Because I’ve heard it from several people. So you don’t keep things between us a secret. And I believed you.

Martin:

I’m really sorry & I won’t do it again. Whatever happens. You told me I was your only FRIEND and I would like to keep it that way. I want to stay your friend….that we can fix things between us…you and me.

Nooo man, I only posted a message on your Hyves..certainly not on the internet / blogs or whatever. I’ve never talked to anyone about anything. I have no….???

Joran:

I hope so man
I would like to stay friends, really, but I do have stories my friend
They were in my room with guns and everything
I felt awful
Now everybody is finally gone…I’m 100% safe now
And I’ve got my passport back

Martin:
I hope Joran, that we can stay friends….I never judged you or asked you questions about Natalee…???? I hope our problems can be solved and we can start over just like in the beginning. The whole world is angry with you and I won’t partipate in that…You know that buddy!

Joran:

Yes I know, and I believed you….I can understand you were angry with me but you’ve said some nasty things about me.

Martin:

I know and I’m really sorry. I wasn’t myself and I’m really sorry. Can you forgive me? I’m really sorry.

Joran:
Of course I can forgive you.
Can you forgive me?


Chatsession 20-04-2008

Joran:
Hey dude

Martin:
Hello

Joran:
How’s it going?

Martin:
Well, not that good, swa

Joran:
Tell me, what’s wrong

Yeah, sorry man, but had no choice…had to pay those people off otherwise I was screwed…I will pay you back as soon as I’ve got the money

Martin:
I feel used. I thought I had a good friend who I could trust for a 100%.

Really Joran? You will pay back everything? A promise made from one friend to another?

Joran:
Yes, I still look at you as a friend.

There was a gun pointed at me so I didn’t think ???

I would still like to meet you if that’s possible.
But I will understand if you don’t want to.


Good Morning GBMW

Would you please provide the source (link) pertaining to this dialogue.  Where was it exposed?

GBMW ... considering the the dialogue implies that Mart and Joran have never met ... do you think it is possible that Joran never left the Netherlands ... he was in the institution all along?  Could he have been scamming a lonely man into thinking ther could be a relationship ... friendship?

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« Reply #867 on: April 23, 2008, 12:13:04 PM »

Janet i think mart is gay

Could he have been scamming a lonely man into thinking ther could be a relationship ... friendship?

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« Reply #868 on: April 23, 2008, 12:17:47 PM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 



Joran was conning Mart.  Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.

he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.

and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.

and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.

i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.
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« Reply #869 on: April 23, 2008, 12:25:29 PM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 



Joran was conning Mart.  Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.

he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.

and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.

and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.

i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.
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Who knows caseu 
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« Reply #870 on: April 23, 2008, 12:29:16 PM »

Sounds like our Dutch monkeys are doing some great investigating.  Last week there was discussion of money and how they travel around from Aruba to Holland, maybe Korea and Thailand, and there's always that issue of who is paying for Joe Tacopina, his female sidekick (I forget her name -- Rosemarie or something?) and his crack investigative team.  So when I popped in to see what was happening and saw that Joran has been in Thailand, I checked Expedia.com: 

  from  $6586 Roundtrip   
 
12:00 pm Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
Arrive Bangkok (DMK) 2:10 pm  +1 day  Sun 27-Apr
Duration: 21hr 10mn    KLM 4103 
  Thai Air International 4786  / 1206
 Connect in Kuala Lumpur (KUL), Phuket (HKT)
 
 
 Even in Euros, that's going to be in the $4,000 to $5,000 range. 
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« Reply #871 on: April 23, 2008, 12:29:58 PM »

Janet i think mart is gay

Could he have been scamming a lonely man into thinking ther could be a relationship ... friendship?
Janet

johan ... this is why I said "relationship".

The dialogue implies that Mart indicated that Joran was his "only" friend which makes me think he was very vulnerable and ... this is why he was deceived into giving his bank informaton.

The point of my post was ... Could it be that Joran was perpetuating his scam from the Netherlands not ... Thailand?  By implying he was in Thailand was akin to dangling the carrot in front of the donkey.  In other other words ... Mart would be anticipating a connection with Joran at some point ... whether it was for a "relationship" or a friendship.

johan ... my morning coffee has yet to clear the cobwebs ... I hope I am making sense.

 

Janet
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April 18th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
RESPONSE PATRICK

I think you should go to the same psychiatric clinic as Joran. You have a brilliant cover there to get some more story from him.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

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« Reply #872 on: April 23, 2008, 12:30:32 PM »

Follow the money. 
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« Reply #873 on: April 23, 2008, 12:32:58 PM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 



Joran was conning Mart.  Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.

EXACTLY!!!
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« Reply #874 on: April 23, 2008, 12:35:49 PM »

Forgive my manners.  Good morning Monkeys! 




One of the reasons I popped in this morning is to post this story, or a link to it.  I just posted it over in Becca McEvoy's thread.  It's a story about Three Trees that reminds us that God does things his way, not our way, and sometimes His way is better.     I know some of you will understand and appreciate this, for Natalee, for yourselves and so many others.  I need to remind myself of it often and this story always helps. 

http://pushih.com/threetrees.html
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« Reply #875 on: April 23, 2008, 12:38:35 PM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 



Joran was conning Mart.  Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.

he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.

and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.

and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.

i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.

caesu ... I believe you.  However ... when did Devries confirm that the internet dialogue did not take place in the Netherlands.

Is there a transcript or video that I could be linked to?

Thank you.

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« Reply #876 on: April 23, 2008, 12:41:39 PM »

Maybe Joran earns his keep as a "mule" for drug dealers and wants to move up.  Thought Patrick was his ticket. 
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« Reply #877 on: April 23, 2008, 12:48:50 PM »

Hi everyone --

O/T --

Fox News report -- Carnival Cruise line looking for 44-year-old man on Cozumel cruise; wife reported him missing

I don't think I'll EVER go on a cruise ...
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« Reply #878 on: April 23, 2008, 12:53:50 PM »

Forgive my manners.  Good morning Monkeys! 




One of the reasons I popped in this morning is to post this story, or a link to it.  I just posted it over in Becca McEvoy's thread.  It's a story about Three Trees that reminds us that God does things his way, not our way, and sometimes His way is better.     I know some of you will understand and appreciate this, for Natalee, for yourselves and so many others.  I need to remind myself of it often and this story always helps. 

http://pushih.com/threetrees.html

LilPuma ... thank you.

I speculate (I wish I could comprehend the ways of God) that Joran will ultimately be the used by God to reveal the truth regarding the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the coverup which followed.  Joran was the  participant who knows all ...

I believe that the truth will not be revealed while Joran is drugged ... through deception or ... through force.  The truth will be revealed through "genuine" repentence ... "genuine" desire to turn it life around by make right the wrongs.

Think about the video recording.  It is so obvious Joran is spinning out of control.  I believe the breaking point is not far off.

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« Reply #879 on: April 23, 2008, 01:08:58 PM »

I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is not an official quote of course Wink

So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak Wink

Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards 

 



Joran was conning Mart.  Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.

he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.

and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.

and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.

i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.

You could be right Caesu...
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