Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[Observer]

I noticed Nelson Oduber hasn't changed much in the last 20-30 years..Any birthday wishes for Nelson?
(Betico Croes,Nelson Oduber and Juchi Croes on the far right)Photo not dated

[Tamikosmom]

Van der Eem threatens TV-presenter Castro
(Amigoe: 3/7/08)
Poentje Castro during his interview met Patrick van der Eem.

ORANJESTAD — Patrick van der Eem has threatened Poentje Castro of the programme Un Dia Den Bida, with death.  That’s what Castro said today and he wants to report this with the police.  He showed the recording he made from Van der Eem live on TV last Sunday.  Van der Eem called Castro on the phone immediately after the broadcast; he was very angry. 

The conversation with Van der Eem was recorded two weeks ago.  A second camera kept rolling after the interview, and Van der Eem evidently didn’t know this.  That movie ended up on YouTube (VIDEO I, VIDEO II, VIDEO III), and Nieuwe Revu had the interview translated into Dutch.  Van der Eem said at certain point during the interview that he had known Joran van der Sloot for years.  He also said that he knows who had thrown Natalee Holloway into the sea. 

TELEARUBA

The integral interview was going to be shown on TeleAruba yesterday evening at 21:00, after part of the interview was already showing on YouTube.  Castro says that TeleAruba management didn’t venture to do this, because they were afraid to be sued.  TeleCuracao and the Dutch current affairs Nova and De wereld draait door have indicated their interest in broadcasting the integral images.   Director Robert Kelly of TeleAruba said in a reaction that the recordings are ‘illegal’.  “The person in the recording didn’t know that he was being recorded and that can have legal consequences.” 

What’s important for Castro is that ‘the questionable image’ of Van der Eem is shown.  “Van der Eem is a dubious person with a big mouth.  His scar shows that the underworld had already made that clear; they mutilated him.  With what he told me, he confessed who he really is.  He says that he wants to help the Aruban people solve the case, but what he really wants is make money.  He wants to become a millionaire.”

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/03/08/so-the-aruban-dutch-media-think-patrick-van-der-eem-is-worse-than-joran-van-der-sloot-no-media-bias-here-or-agendas/

[Tamikosmom]

'Friend' knows who dumped Natalee
Friday 07 March 2008

Patrick van der Eem, the man who helped secretly record Joran van der Sloot confessing to being with Natalee Holloway when she died, has himself been secretly recorded by an Aruban tv company, Dutch media report on Friday.

After an interview on a local television station, Van der Eem carried on talking, thinking the cameras had been switched off.

But instead he was recorded saying that he knew who had dumped Natalee’s body at sea and that Van der Sloot had asked him for €2,000 to buy the man’s silence, the Telegraaf reports.

Van der Eem was also heard saying he had known Van der Sloot for several years. On Peter R de Vries’ tv programme, he claimed he befriended the Dutch student in a Nijmegen casino in 2007.

According to the Telegraaf, Van der Eem expects to become a millionaire because of his role in the Holloway affair. ‘And I will make sure that Joran and his entire family fall flat on their face. They had better emigrate to Africa,’ the paper quoted Van der Eem as saying.

Parts of the interview, which was recorded in Papiamento two weeks ago, have already been aired by TeleAruba. The interview was made following the news that Van der Eem has signed a US book deal.

News agency ANP reports that Van der Eem was furious after the partial broadcasts and has threatened interviewer Poentje Castro. Castro is seeking legal advice, ANP said.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/03/friend_knows_who_dumped_natale.php

[Observer]

Welcome Briany!

Janet:
Have a great weekend!!That kid is lucky to have you as a grandmom! 

[Dayhiker]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

[wreck]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Amen, brutha! The ONLY thing Patrick has done is to show the world that joran LIES.

[San]

I noticed Nelson Oduber hasn't changed much in the last 20-30 years..Any birthday wishes for Nelson?
(Betico Croes,Nelson Oduber and Juchi Croes on the far right)Photo not dated

Yeah I have a birthday wish for him.  Nelson I hope you drop dead before your next one.

[texasmom]

I noticed Nelson Oduber hasn't changed much in the last 20-30 years..Any birthday wishes for Nelson?
(Betico Croes,Nelson Oduber and Juchi Croes on the far right)Photo not dated

Yeah I have a birthday wish for him.  Nelson I hope you drop dead before your next one.

  POST OF THE DAY!!! 

[briany]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

[IBE]

Rob,

Interesting post. I read that book a few years ago. So many dots not connected, or at least not publicly connected. Thanks for posting. Should be interesting race for the Democrats and then the election. Wonder how much dirty will come out???

Monkeys, keep up the Good Work!

[CapsLockWizard]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Hi all,

one question to ask your self.

Why in all the interviews tapes that I review this week of Scareface (Patric), he never asked about the cops or asked Joran why did you not call the Police ?

Answer:


In 2002 Patrick brother open a water sport business in Aruba. Trough his brother in 2003 he knew Joran already and his dad and Famaly in Holland.

in holland he lives 15 min drive from the sloot town. He lives in a trailer park. He was a business and knew the sloot Famaly all the time. they allways where friends in Holland.

To find these info, you have to go and search in Dutch for info about these people. There is alot good info about Scareface.

Now one more question:

Patrick called Joran "Maton" means Killer, but if we are friends for a long time, this is welcome, and even both of them knowings that one of them did not do it. So who did it between them, Joran did not do it, he is the scapegoad. The Gesture was welkome to Joran. But Joran can not call him (Patrick) a Moton (Killer) becuase this will be exposing to much of patrick. There is a saying that the real killer will always call the one that did not do notting a killer as a Joke.

Remember there is the Sacrefice and their is the sacrefice. both are persons, one is a Person that will sit-in for the real scarefice (Killer)

 

To call someone a Moton is an insult. but only a friend that has killed before can use that 

[briany]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Hi all,

one question to ask your self.

Why in all the interviews tapes that I review this week of Scareface (Patric), he never asked about the cops or asked Joran why did you not call the Police ?

Answer:


In 2002 Patrick brother open a water sport business in Aruba. Trough his brother in 2003 he knew Joran already and his dad and Famaly in Holland.

in holland he lives 15 min drive from the sloot town. He lives in a trailer park. He was a business and knew the sloot Famaly all the time. they allways where friends in Holland.

To find these info, you have to go and search in Dutch for info about these people. There is alot good info about Scareface.

Now one more question:

Patrick called Joran "Maton" means Killer, but if we are friends for a long time, this is welcome, and even both of them knowings that one of them did not do it. So who did it between them, Joran did not do it, he is the scapegoad. The Gesture was welkome to Joran. But Joran can not call him (Patrick) a Moton (Killer) becuase this will be exposing to much of patrick. There is a saying that the real killer will always call the one that did not do notting a killer as a Joke.

Remember there is the Sacrefice and their is the sacrefice. both are persons, one is a Person that will sit-in for the real scarefice (Killer)

 

To call someone a Moton is an insult. but only a friend that has killed before can use that 

CapsLockWizard,

First of all: when someone gets "sick" you call an ambulance, not the police. Patrick asked several times, why did'nt you check she was alive? Why did you do this? Things like that.

Furthermore: if I live in a village or small town it is not strange that my family also lives there.
The fact that Patrick was known on the Island is the reason that he was able to get in touch with Joran.
If you want to believe all the stories about "scarface" from just everybody, you might as well believe all the stories which have been told about Natalee's mother.

The stories are similar and do not make sense.

That my opnion.

[San]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Hi all,

one question to ask your self.

Why in all the interviews tapes that I review this week of Scareface (Patric), he never asked about the cops or asked Joran why did you not call the Police ?

Answer:


In 2002 Patrick brother open a water sport business in Aruba. Trough his brother in 2003 he knew Joran already and his dad and Famaly in Holland.

in holland he lives 15 min drive from the sloot town. He lives in a trailer park. He was a business and knew the sloot Famaly all the time. they allways where friends in Holland.

To find these info, you have to go and search in Dutch for info about these people. There is alot good info about Scareface.

Now one more question:

Patrick called Joran "Maton" means Killer, but if we are friends for a long time, this is welcome, and even both of them knowings that one of them did not do it. So who did it between them, Joran did not do it, he is the scapegoad. The Gesture was welkome to Joran. But Joran can not call him (Patrick) a Moton (Killer) becuase this will be exposing to much of patrick. There is a saying that the real killer will always call the one that did not do notting a killer as a Joke.

Remember there is the Sacrefice and their is the sacrefice. both are persons, one is a Person that will sit-in for the real scarefice (Killer)

 

To call someone a Moton is an insult. but only a friend that has killed before can use that 

CapsLockWizard,

First of all: when someone gets "sick" you call an ambulance, not the police. Patrick asked several times, why did'nt you check she was alive? Why did you do this? Things like that.

Furthermore: if I live in a village or small town it is not strange that my family also lives there.
The fact that Patrick was known on the Island is the reason that he was able to get in touch with Joran.
If you want to believe all the stories about "scarface" from just everybody, you might as well believe all the stories which have been told about Natalee's mother.

The stories are similar and do not make sense.

That my opnion.

Patrick is a piece of garbage make not bones about it.  He has been exposed for what he is which in my opinion a liar who is working with the Sloots and Aruba.

The stories about Beth are not similar.  Every story that Aruba, the Sloots or Julia Renfro has told about Beth have been proven to be a lie.

[MumInOhio]

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/#comments

Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga
___________

April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:

Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.
Greetings,
Jorik

PATRICK’S RESPONSE
Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.


+++++++++++


Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

Patrick know the Kalpoes then already, Patric was living with a girl name Marta Ospina. Scarface know the Kalpoes, What odd is that Patrick know also Joran famaly for a long time.

Now for Giovanni Ponson, H used to own a bussiness called INEX N.V. then moved on the open the Cyber Cafe, Near the Seaport. He has a son form an other marrage called Diego... still a kid.

Now Angelina Reppas came in the picture when Gio was in the computer repair in INEX. The odd is that They build a new house near not to far from the Raquet club with out a mortgage...He also just setup his own contruction company

Hire a some workers and let them build the house. Where the money to build that house came from is still a mistery. It seem that it came from europe when just beside the Internet cafe Angelina opend her own boutique selling European Fashon.  They seems to be connected to the owners of Tropical Cafe N.V. mr. Everts. The trpoical cafe also was a small cafe and suddenly it also was renovated to a hgh class cafe. Where is the money come from.

Rent on the places from Gios and Mr. Everts to the De Veer or Seaport Rantal Management is in the $25,000.00 a month.

The strike is now in full swing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

The dates (years) concern me and ... the names of the Kalpoes.

Could somebody please clarify.

Does CAP provide a source regarding the seven year long relationship with the VDS'.

Thank you.

Janet

« Reply #1779 on: April 10, 2008, 07:54:06 AM » vms   

The Kalpoes lived with their mother and step-father:

Luis & (Nadira) Khentwattie Rujkumar Ramirez
Hooiberg 91-B

I believe their biological father lives in Suriname...


« Reply #1793 on: April 10, 2008, 03:43:05 PM » Caps

VMS are you sure your data is correct, at the adress lives these persons

Bouwman   Martin R   11/22/1950   Soerabaja   Hooiberg 91B
Ramirez   Luis A   5/2/1960   Aruba   Hooiberg 91B



« Reply #1794 on: April 10, 2008, 03:49:05 PM » vms

Luis Ramirez is their step-father. The address is listed in the chamber records and also, IIRC, there is a picture of their home where the address (number) is visible.

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=34963

I don't know about the Bouman person though, Caps.

« Reply #1819 on: April 11, 2008, 06:14:11 AM » MumInOhio

Caps...Can you please tell me where these districts are? Are they in Suriname?Should we be looking at De Veer and the Marriott - Renaissance?  TIA





Tamikosmom…...I posted the link and said there was some confusion. On further checking this morning I did not find any clarification on Caps’ post. I apologize for not posting this last night, but do not post regularly at night as I am an early riser and my brain and fingers are not in synch at night! (As well as the fact that DH thinks he has my undivided attention if I am not logged in...LOL). Here are the rest of the posts on this subject. On further reading of the thread, Caps did not clarify or elaborate on this at all.

This is precisely the reason for my post in the ‘Shango’ thread earlier in the week, for which I have probably been likened to Hitler’s cousin! I have not been asking any more from Caps, re explanation and verification of his posts, than would have been asked of any other poster on this forum!

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning San!..It appears that Patrick's anger with the Monkeys may coincide with the discussions on him on the Shango thread.

Hope someone is saving his posts in case he wants to promote his book on MSM. Send some to Greta, can't hurt!

[GBMW]

GBMW ... thank you for your heartfelt post.  However ... you are right ... we will have to agree to disagree on several aspects of your post.

I believe that the only part of the "confession" that rings true is the "shaking".  That the the only part of the "confession" that can be backed up.

Jug and Beth were questioned by the Dennis Jacobs on June 1, 2005 in regards to Natalee and seizures.  Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was destroyed ... WHY?

EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A LIE!

How can Joran be charged with "disposing of a body".  A seventeen year old young man does not have theexpertise/  qualifications to determine death.

Also ... if it is believed that Joran acted alone ... then the gardeners observation/testimony is negated.  Freddy's witness statements regarding both the shaking and the involvement of Deepak and Satish are negated.  The Superior Court's ruling that Paulus did declare to the Twitty Group that he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning Natalee Holloway went missing.

GBMW ... I believe that the video recording "confession" is all an elaborate scheme ... all about implicating "only" Joran and ... distancing the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus ... distancing the Pimps who can implicate Paulus ... distancing those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body on the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... distancing those in the Dutch/Aruban administration/judiciary who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.

I will spare you the backup quotes unless you want me to post them.  I would be more than happy to do that.

Janet

Thanks Janet, but I believe you 

The statement of Joran is probably missing / destroyed for a good reason . If that happened; no doubt that there will be one if this case goes to court...just not one that has been made on 31st of may 2005 but a bit later on....jmo.

I don't think the confession is a scheme; Peter R. de Vries wouldn't have done that....he uses unusual sources sometimes but he's doing things with the right intentions. He has his heart in the right place. Yes, if he only thought of the case he would have handled things differently; but he's not a cop...he's in television. The idea he would cooperate in such a scheme is beyond words for me....I really don't believe it.

And Patrick might have made some mistakes when it comes to his questioning....I think he did a great job. The pressure he had been under, afraid Joran would find out, not trying to cross the line so Joran would shut up. I could imagine he was on edge while the confession was going on. I'll cut him some slack for his screw ups 


You are right about your comment about Joran and the disposal of a body - the charge. However the judges wanted more back up evidence for this than the confession....Joran stated he lied (and thus didn't confess) so it's up to the ALE to proof Joran wrong. I assume that's a difficult job since it's been almost 3 years & well...you know...Joran knows how to make up a story 

If Freddie wasn't there that night he got his story from Joran...and Joran had every reason in the world to include Deepak & Satish in his storyline
If Deepak & Satish are innocent (when it comes to the dissapearance / murder itself of course..they did lie for Joran & have a responsibility when it comes to having some blame because if they told the truth crucial evidence might have been found...well the whole case would have been different probably) they have been able to do some hard time thinking the last couple of weeks.
The Kalpoes might want to open up a bit more since the confession...but they still live on Aruba & have a lot to loose. And even then...it's still their word against Paulus & his buddies....I'm hoping for the best but I'm afraid they will stay on the safe side (and couldn't really blame them...well maybe a bit...but then again I've never been in their situation). It is weird they haven't been heard / seen given a statement / quote about the confession....or am I wrong about that & did I miss something?

I think Paulus' ass will always be covered (whatever his involvement has been).....by his son, his buddies at the ALE & the fear of the Kalpoe Brothers & ?????.

And when it comes to Patrick knowing the van der Sloots....7 years? Where did that come from?  What he meant in the conversation with Pontje was that he knew about he case for years...not the van der Sloots. Where did the 7 years come from? Is this from something else? A different interview / quote?

Living on Aruba near the Kalpoes? When did this happen? Years and years ago? Patrick has been around in Arnhem for a long time already...that's information coming from people that live in / around Arnhem.
Doesn't explain the information but Patrick did say he has family there; maybe there are more van der Eems or there is another reason for it...but for now I will take Patrick's word for it & assume my friends aren't crazy 

Ah well Janet....I really don't know what to think or to believe....sometimes I think: just send them all to Guantanamo Bay & let those interrogators do their job....and I'm shocked that I would think that way even for a split second.

[GBMW]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Welcome Briany & I agree with you!

[Dayhiker]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Hi all,

one question to ask your self.

Why in all the interviews tapes that I review this week of Scareface (Patric), he never asked about the cops or asked Joran why did you not call the Police ?

Caps, this is exactly the kind of intelligent question I was talking about. Why didn't Patrick ask Joran why he didn't call the police? That's a simple question, a logical one to ask in the flow of the conversation. Patrick never probed the reason Joran had Natalee's body ditched. The answer would have been an invaluable addition to the confession. Instead he left out a key component to the conversation.

I don't believe from looking at the tapes that Joran was suspicious of Patrick. Best I could tell he was yapping his ass off.
I can't speak to the whole thing being a set-up because I haven't delved into it anywhere near as deep as you and others have Caps, but I darn sure believe he could have gotten more out of Joran by asking some simple, obvious follow-up questions like the one you mention.

It irks me that Patrick gloats in his book promotion that he has "solved" the case. That is utter bullshit. Joran is running free, nobody has been prosecuted, Natalee hasn't been recovered. All Patrick did was expose Joran as a louse and force the Prosecutor to re-open the case. Nothing has been solved.

[MumInOhio]

Tamikosmom...Here is the link where the discussion first started, as I am not sure if the times of the posts are correct as I was not logged in when I copied and pasted the quotes. First post is Caps #1764 and continues on the next page and my post is the last on the subject as far as I have found and can recall.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.1760

[San]

Good Morning San!..It appears that Patrick's anger with the Monkeys may coincide with the discussions on him on the Shango thread.

Hope someone is saving his posts in case he wants to promote his book on MSM. Send some to Greta, can't hurt!

Good Morning Mum.  I have to go read the Shango thread.  I haven't had time lately.

I agree with you that I hope someone is saving his posts.  Screen captures would be great because it will show you that we did not change his words.