Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08

[SS]

And why did Joran nor his father mention this straight after the show? 

This information looks like a new attack with disinformation.

Welcome Briany!

Patrick did a service for the case by opening up Joran's fat mouth and letting the world know what a worthless bastard he is. Many people think much less of him than they already did. However, before he goes cracking walnuts with his ass (thank you Sam Peckinpah) he needs to put his role in perspective. For starters, he has not "solved the case" as he claims. Last time I checked Joran was still running free and the judge wouldn't even arrest him. Patrick hasn't solved jack shit.

Secondly, if he is so friggin' stupid that he can't see the corruption that has gone on in Aruba I don't see that he is smart enough to get out of bed in the morning, much less solve a case.

Look at the tapes. There are much sharper questions he could have asked Joran, but he didn't. He could have gotten much more information by asking a few wiser questions, but he didn't. I appreciate him for getting what he got out of Joran, but a really intelligent person could have done a hell of a lot better.

Thanks for the welcome.

Patrick told in interviews he was interested in the Natalee case from the start. When Patrick met Joran in a Dutch casino he made this plan. As far as I know Patrick went to the police first, but the police was not interested because they are not allowed to work the way Patrick was going to do. After that Patrick went to Peter. It is known that Peter was investigating the Natalee case from the start and did not want to let go without an answer. It is also known that Peter was convinced that Joran and his father knew more about the disappearance of Natalee, so it is quite obvious that Patrick went to Peter when Patrick found out that the police could not work with him.

I have seen the tapes too. Patrick is not a detective and it is always a risk Joran would find out. By the end of the tapes one can see that Joran gets bored with the questions. It is very understandable that Peter and Patrick decided to stop.
The tape is better than nothing. Joran told in the tape he knew that Natalee definitely never comes back. How can Joran be so sure about this?

Why would Patrick make a tape like that?

Aruba is not a very big island so it is very well possible that he had heard of the family. Joran was a very young boy by then. Sorry I don not believe the story. Patrick has the right to try and protect the inhabitants of Aruba, of course.

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

Hey Caps!!  I see what you are saying... it was in Holland that he lived near the Sloot family...you didn't mean in Aruba.  In Aruba he lived near the Kalpoes. Now that makes some sense. Thanks.

BTW, you know I can't read Dutch. LOL

Hey CAPS,

[Tamikosmom]

Thanks Caps!

   
ALMELO - The man who act on behalf of crime reporter Peter R. De Vries using a hidden camera Joran van der Sloot a "confession" has ontfutseld, is the origin of Antillean entrepreneur Patrick van der Eem.
See also:

     * No arrest warrant Joran

This 34-year-old Joran knowledge of floats since July 2003 on a franchise basis case snakes and slangkoppelingen in Almelo (under the name Pirtek), but lives in a recreatiebungalow in the Gelderse Lathum, east of Velp.

Van der Eem was born on Curaçao. A brother of him lives on Aruba, where he has a Water SPorts business. His brother who taught Joran van der Sloot and Patrick together. Patrick has himself last autumn when Peter R. De Vries. According to De Vries, Van der Eem a total of five months' undercoveroperatie "against Joran van der Sloot cooperated. He has a monthly expenses of Euro 5000, a total of 25,000 euros.

If home in the Netherlands, Van der Eem a bungalow in the 700-hectare recreation Rhederlaag in Lathum (Zevenaar town). On a 25-acre peninsula in the Rhedermeer lies the bungalow and villapark Riverparc with 350 Recreational. It is 15 minutes from Arnhem, the official residence of Joran van der Sloot. Last Friday he was still partying all evening in Arnhem discovered in Manhattan nightclub. Since Saturday he is hiding. From various sides was reported Saturday that he would stay in Drachten, but it turned out later to a persoonsverwisseling to go.

Van der Eem Almelose opened the establishment on July 14, 2003. Employs eight people. The company is located at the Van der Hoopweg on the industrial Turfkade A. Here yesterday was nobody in sight. Pirtek was reached at an emergency phone. The centralist did not have information on the entrepreneur. However, it was the news about the friendship between Van der Eem and Van der Sloot early penetrated. About Van der Eem were no data available.

to properly translate the bold text:

"through his brother, Patrick got to know Joran".

"the company knew about Patricks friendship with Joran already".
meaning: it was no surprise when the journalist called and asked for information.
this was the morning before the Peter R. de Vries broadcast.
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Thanks caesu.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Why does Caps leave every time I have questions?  I need answers!!  I need attention...I need a snack. BRB. 

I need to clean my house.

 

Later, Janet
1:20 PM

[Tamikosmom]

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

 

caesu ... thank you.

Janet

[SS]

Why does Caps leave every time I have questions?  I need answers!!  I need attention...I need a snack. BRB. 

I think he leaves sometimes to get us the information that we need.  Sometimes, though, when CAPS leaves, Finbar appears and makes things even more complicated!!!    I'm glad that CAPS pulled through with the connection between his brother and Joran. I'm interested in the same answers that you are.

[Tamikosmom]

briany ... something akin to Julia Renfro, Rene Gielen and Angela Dilorenzo as well as others ... you attempt to create smokescreens to direct the focus off the the suspects ... onto the victim and her family.

I will not go there.

Excuses me

I have the impression that some people on the Scared Monkeys only want to concentrate on blaming Patrick and the boycot.

Why did VdS not want to have searched his own house?

Nobody answers?

I wonder if you really want this solves. If people ask reasonable questions you start blaming people. Come on.
I only want to help and am not interested in boycotting or not boycotting Aruba whatsoever.

briany ... I want to sincerely apologize.

When you referred to the "baby coverup" ... my impression was that you were adhereing to the troll's depicable distractions  regarding Natalee being pregnant ... Jug Twitty sexually abusing his stepdaughter.

That was the reason for my reaction and ... I again ... I sincerely apologize.

I still disagree with your contention that it was a "mini" coverup but that's OK. We can respectfully agree to disagree at that issue.

Janet

[johan555]

Auba party pics
http://www.coolaruba.com/com

also older pics !
this is the new bar Señor Frogs was C&C


the owner:

[Lala'sMom]

What I really want to know is why didn't any of you super duper intelligent monkeys out there know that the Kalpoes father/step father owned that Indo Restaurant and the Lions Den next door?  How on earth did that get past all of us?  Then again...maybe it is just me that didn't know this until this week. 

[Observer]

Basically as soon as I heard that the Kalpoes were happy with Joran's confession that was all the proof I needed.  It raised my eyebrows and I said hummm something isn't right here.  Besides Joran's actions in the car which was proof enough for me to believe this was another hatched plan by Aruba.

AND THIS YEARS RAZZIE AWARDS GO TO.

It was a multi purpose show to point the blame away from all responsible and to end the case based on lies. So everyone can move on and all Americans will spend there money once again in Aruba and to end the witch hunt vs the suspects. De Vries said case is solved and Patrick said Beth is at peace now. He declined the reward for finding Natalee/Solving the case and only requests that we stop the boycott as he is very dissapointed in us.

Joran and Daury take all the blame and Patrick made such huge sacrafices for his beloved country and his friends,so they are expecting a big payday. Patrick likes his coke and Joran his weed..The only thing they like more is money and they are counting on it from this book!

[Peaches]

I don't care what Joran's childhood trauma was...he is a real first class jerk and as far as I am concerned he and the Kalpoes are solely responsible for what happened to Natalee...they were the last with her and they had the power to prevent anything from happening to her regardless of her physical or mental condition and notwithstanding the normal routine of targeting innocents.   

Issues?  We all have issues and I think mine lie squarely with Joran and his cohorts in crime...next would be those allowing this to continue. I think I will go work on my own personal issues now and shut my mouth before I get my blood pressure up.

Tell it, Lala's!!!  I am so over the rough childhood excuse, particulary coming from a jailbird.  Plenty of folks have less than stellar childhoods and do not go on to rape and pillage.  I hate 'em all.  The arrogance never ceases to amaze me. 

[vms]

Caps,
What are you talking about? Please elaborate.


THE V.I.P. CLUB 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  FILOU II N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  7 MAY 1999 
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
BAIDJNATH MISIER-KELKBOOM, JANIRA FRANCINA; 
Residing in  ALTO VISTA 76-B, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 30 JUNE 1971 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  10 JUNE 2004 
Authority  FULL 



INDO 
 
Business address NOORD 17, NOORD 
Legal form  LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY 
Name of the company  ROTIE & CHICKEN HOUSE N.V. 
Statutory seat  ARUBA 
Date of incorporation  11 DECEMBER 1996 
     
Authorized capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 50,000.00 
Issued capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Paid up capital  ARUBAN FLORINS 10,000.00 
Fiscal year  01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER 
   
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD: 
 
SLAMET, ISMAEL; 
Residing in  ALTO VISTA Z/N, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  SURINAME, NICKERIE on 12 JANUARY 1961 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  25 FEBRUARY 1999 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
JARAMILLO CHOLES-KROSENDIJK, VIVIAN; 
Residing in  SEROE PITA 45, PARADERA, ARUBA 
Born in  ARUBA on 5 SEPTEMBER 1963 
Nationality  DUTCH 
Position  MANAGING DIRECTOR 
Effective  1 JANUARY 2003 
Authority  RESTRICTED 

[Observer]

What I really want to know is why didn't any of you super duper intelligent monkeys out there know that the Kalpoes father/step father owned that Indo Restaurant and the Lions Den next door?  How on earth did that get past all of us?  Then again...maybe it is just me that didn't know this until this week. 

I am as shocked as you are if true! We know he bought the Cyberzone cafe also in 2005. What does this guy do for work again? I saw he was driving a brand new cadillac last year. It seems everyone from Aruba that was involved has prospered.

[briany]

briany ... something akin to Julia Renfro, Rene Gielen and Angela Dilorenzo as well as others ... you attempt to create smokescreens to direct the focus off the the suspects ... onto the victim and her family.

I will not go there.

Excuses me

I have the impression that some people on the Scared Monkeys only want to concentrate on blaming Patrick and the boycot.

Why did VdS not want to have searched his own house?

Nobody answers?

I wonder if you really want this solves. If people ask reasonable questions you start blaming people. Come on.
I only want to help and am not interested in boycotting or not boycotting Aruba whatsoever.

briany ... I want to sincerely apologize.

When you referred to the "baby coverup" ... my impression was that you were adhereing to the troll's depicable distractions  regarding Natalee being pregnant ... Jug Twitty sexually abusing his stepdaughter.

That was the reason for my reaction and ... I again ... I sincerely apologize.

I still disagree with your contention that it was a "mini" coverup but that's OK. We can respectfully agree to disagree at that issue.

Janet

It was a misunderstanding, those things can happen. It's ok.
 
I'm not sensitive for the word "baby" because I never believed a word of it, but maybe for you, because of the attacks, the word is a bit peculiar. It can be named a "mini" cover up as well.
The stories they tell are too ridiculous for words. Did you notice that they come up with all kind of different scenario's?
The last one is some ex-boyfriend who was on the trip.
It was the mother, than the stepfather, that the stepbrother or the other one,  Natalee wanted to run away but left her stuff in the hotel, Natalee was a junk, blablabla. I missed the father till now, but maybe he is the next one who did it.

Hilarious. 
Natalee was 18 years old, legally she could go wherever she wanted to go, so what is Renee Gielen talking about?

[Tamikosmom]

This showed up in my google alert 

Comment by Guod
April 18th, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Let’s all give Governor Huckabee a hand. He was one of the only politicians to stand up against Aruba during the Natalee Holloway. Kidnapping, Rape and murder. If he knew how far Gutless Greta has gone to coverup the case. He would have walked away from the troll known as Greta. Keep e-mailing Fox to get the Aruban/Joran lover removed from FOX. BTW- When is Greta gonna start talking about ARUBA? I thought she wanted them to SUE her? But yet she does what they told her to do. They told her to shut up or else. And she has???


http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/04/18/friday-morning/#comment-859255

HUCKABEE UPHOLDS NATALEE HOLLOWAY

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-12-15-aruba-travel-boycott_x.htm
Posted 12/15/2005 5:23 PM
Georgia governor calls for travel boycott of Aruba

ATLANTA (AP) — Gov. Sonny Perdue encouraged Georgians on Thursday to boycott travel to Aruba to protest the way officials there have handled the disappearance of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway.

Perdue joins Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Alabama Gov. Bob Riley in calling for a boycott of the Dutch Caribbean island.
 
"This boycott is necessary because Aruban authorities have failed to conduct a serious investigation" of the teen's disappearance, Perdue said. "We have no quarrel with good citizens of Aruba, but the actions of their leaders cannot be taken lightly."

Riley sent letters to his fellow governors across the country this month asking for their support of the boycott.

In the letters, Riley blames the Aruban government for what he called "missteps, miscommunication and inconsistencies" plaguing the investigation into the 18-year-old's disappearance.

Holloway's family initially praised Aruban authorities for their work on the case, but they recently turned critical, alleging incompetence and conflicts of interest.

The boycott has failed to get support from the U.S. State Department.


OMBAMA'S PASTOR/MENTOR/FRIEND DISRESPECTS NATALEE HOLLOWAY

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59887

Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway
'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says

Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern 2008
WorldNetDaily.com

Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

<snipped>

[San]

Auba party pics
http://www.coolaruba.com/com

also older pics !
this is the new bar Señor Frogs was C&C


the owner:

Same game different name.

[Tamikosmom]

briany ... something akin to Julia Renfro, Rene Gielen and Angela Dilorenzo as well as others ... you attempt to create smokescreens to direct the focus off the the suspects ... onto the victim and her family.

I will not go there.

Excuses me

I have the impression that some people on the Scared Monkeys only want to concentrate on blaming Patrick and the boycot.

Why did VdS not want to have searched his own house?

Nobody answers?

I wonder if you really want this solves. If people ask reasonable questions you start blaming people. Come on.
I only want to help and am not interested in boycotting or not boycotting Aruba whatsoever.

briany ... I want to sincerely apologize.

When you referred to the "baby coverup" ... my impression was that you were adhereing to the troll's depicable distractions  regarding Natalee being pregnant ... Jug Twitty sexually abusing his stepdaughter.

That was the reason for my reaction and ... I again ... I sincerely apologize.

I still disagree with your contention that it was a "mini" coverup but that's OK. We can respectfully agree to disagree at that issue.

Janet

It was a misunderstanding, those things can happen. It's ok.

<snipped>
 

Thank you.

Janet

[dennisintn]

I don't care what Joran's childhood trauma was...he is a real first class jerk and as far as I am concerned he and the Kalpoes are solely responsible for what happened to Natalee...they were the last with her and they had the power to prevent anything from happening to her regardless of her physical or mental condition and notwithstanding the normal routine of targeting innocents.   

Issues?  We all have issues and I think mine lie squarely with Joran and his cohorts in crime...next would be those allowing this to continue. I think I will go work on my own personal issues now and shut my mouth before I get my blood pressure up.

Tell it, Lala's!!!  I am so over the rough childhood excuse, particulary coming from a jailbird.  Plenty of folks have less than stellar childhoods and do not go on to rape and pillage.  I hate 'em all.  The arrogance never ceases to amaze me. 

somehow or another, i've missed the "rough childhood" excuse for jvds.  who's putting out that information?  and why? 
dennisintn

[caesu]

i understand now all strings are being pulled to smear Patrick.
this started after he said he opposed the boycott and wasn't fully on the same page with the cover-up and corruption.

ironically the same smearing is being used by the anti-Natalee side to smear Beth.
erronous articles are being dugged up, taken out of context or presented as proof/facts.
simular smear campaigns are being used in the primaries and elections.
i won't operate that way. i don't think it leads to anything.

exactly because it is covered up, the general public doesn't see that yet.
including Patrick, i don't blame him too much for that - i understand his bias towards his island.
who wouldn't be towards their home country?
he might educate himself and see how dirty the ditch really is.

i do believe there is a huge cover-up on Aruba with connections to The Netherlands.
possible even bigger then anyone can realize.
the Dutch Justice Ministry seems to be full of scandals still not seen the light of day going back to at least the 80s.
for example the secretary general, Joris Demmink (one down from minister Ballin), has been accused many times of child sex but it never got investigated. this is just one of the many hidden scandals.

[klaasend]

What I really want to know is why didn't any of you super duper intelligent monkeys out there know that the Kalpoes father/step father owned that Indo Restaurant and the Lions Den next door?  How on earth did that get past all of us?  Then again...maybe it is just me that didn't know this until this week. 

HUH?  I thought it was Kawish's uncle that owned them?  I'm behind a bit but where did Caps say the Kalpoe dad/stepdad owned it?  I think Caps may be wrong about that.

[klaasend]

i understand now all strings are being pulled to smear Patrick.
this started after he said he opposed the boycott and wasn't fully on the same page with the cover-up and corruption.

ironically the same smearing is being used by the anti-Natalee side to smear Beth.
erronous articles are being dugged up, taken out of context or presented as proof/facts.
simular smear campaigns are being used in the primaries and elections.
i won't operate that way. i don't think it leads to anything.

exactly because it is covered up, the general public doesn't see that yet.
including Patrick, i don't blame him too much for that - i understand his bias towards his island.
who wouldn't be towards their home country?
he might educate himself and see how dirty the ditch really is.

i do believe there is a huge cover-up on Aruba with connections to The Netherlands.
possible even bigger then anyone can realize.
the Dutch Justice Ministry seems to be full of scandals still not seen the light of day going back to at least the 80s.
for example the secretary general, Joris Demmink (one down from minister Ballin), has been accused many times of child sex but it never got investigated. this is just one of the many hidden scandals.

Caesu - Some believe everyone is protecting everyone else.  I'm with you in that I'm not ready to throw Patrick under the bus quite yet.  There is a reason Peter is working with Patrick and I trust Peter.