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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08 (Read 335563 times)
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 19, 2008, 06:55:54 PM »
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 06:30:51 PM
Quote from: Rob on April 19, 2008, 06:26:13 PM
Quote from: ******* on April 19, 2008, 04:58:28 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:44:25 PM
What I really want to know is why didn't any of you super duper intelligent monkeys out there know that the Kalpoes father/step father owned that Indo Restaurant and the Lions Den next door? How on earth did that get past all of us? Then again...maybe it is just me that didn't know this until this week.
I am as shocked as you are if true! We know he bought the Cyberzone cafe also in 2005. What does this guy do for work again? I saw he was driving a brand new cadillac last year. It seems everyone from Aruba that was involved has prospered.
Hi Ya *******, I never heard he owned the Indo rest until Caps said so too.
I'll be interested to see how that works out after vms' chamber posts.
As for the cyberzone, that whole business appears to be a net of maybe $15K... some old computer, a copier, a desk, a phone line... very small business. I can't see anyone paying much for it. And just taking over the lease could be a fair exchange because the rent is so high at that location..
My friend Danny has a surf store in the same bldg and he was always complaining how expensive it was.
A new car on Aruba is very expensive. There is a lady that has a newer model Mercedes that is used as a taxi. It has a small horseshoe attached to the grill.. anyway.. she bought the car as new a few years back for about 70K and the same car here in the US was around 45K...big mark up and import taxes.
Going by this assumption...how much would Deepak's car have cost him? Would he have that kind of money working at the internet cafe? Just thinking out loud here and you know how that gets me into lots of trouble.
I remember the day they searched the Kalpoe home last year and his step father showed up in Deepaks Honda,he was also seen driving a new Cadillac. What is curious to me is that it appears they sold the business after the renewed Investigation and the inspection and research at there house. Did they do the same for there business?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2008, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM
Hi monkeys,
My research is going well,
Kalpoe Bodjhperkash S 5/2/1964 Distr. Wanica Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad Santakoemarie 10/28/1968 Distr.Saramacca Seroe Patrishi 14C
The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C
Ospina Martha B 11/20/1950 Barranquilla Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem Patrick P 4/1/1973 Curacao Seroe Patrishi 14F
Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608
I feel like I am in a twilight zone.
Could somebody please clarify.
Thank you.
Janet
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1. Kalpoes' Mother - Nadira Ramirez
2. Kalpoes; Stepfather - Ramirez Luiz Antonio
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:44:25 PM
What I really want to know is why didn't any of you super duper intelligent monkeys out there know that the Kalpoes father/step father owned that Indo Restaurant and the Lions Den next door? How on earth did that get past all of us? Then again...maybe it is just me that didn't know this until this week.
I didn't know,either.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:10:00 PM
Why does Caps leave every time I have questions? I need answers!! I need attention...I need a snack. BRB.
I just made Chocolate chip cookies, come over before I eat them all.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 19, 2008, 07:19:13 PM »
Quote from: Blonde on April 19, 2008, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 04:10:00 PM
Why does Caps leave every time I have questions? I need answers!! I need attention...I need a snack. BRB.
I just made Chocolate chip cookies, come over before I eat them all.
My favorite. Four grandkids will be her shortly and ... then there is Papa ... he would not want to miss out. Can we all come please? I will bring the Tim Horton's coffee.
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Janet
- Hopefully Capslock will verify but I believe he may be wrong. There must be another Kalpoe family (possibly related) that he's mixing up with the K2's mom and stepdad.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 19, 2008, 07:33:19 PM »
Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2008, 06:58:19 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 18, 2008, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM
Hi monkeys,
My research is going well,
Kalpoe Bodjhperkash S 5/2/1964 Distr. Wanica Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad Santakoemarie 10/28/1968 Distr.Saramacca Seroe Patrishi 14C
The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C
Ospina Martha B 11/20/1950 Barranquilla Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem Patrick P 4/1/1973 Curacao Seroe Patrishi 14F
Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608
I feel like I am in a twilight zone.
Could somebody please clarify.
Thank you.
Janet
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1. Kalpoes' Mother - Nadira Ramirez
2. Kalpoes; Stepfather - Ramirez Luiz Antonio
Hi Janet,
I don't understand it either. The Debipersad Kalpoe name was thrown around back in the beginning of the case because it is listed in the phone book. I've never seen anything to verify a connection to Deepak and Satish though. Maybe Caps will explain how he made the connection...
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I believe that the only part of the "confession" that rings true is the "shaking". That the the only part of the "confession" that can be backed up.
Jug and Beth were questioned by the Dennis Jacobs on June 1, 2005 in regards to Natalee and seizures. Joran's May 31, 2005 witness statement was destroyed ... WHY?
EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A LIE!
How can Joran be charged with "disposing of a body". A seventeen year old young man does not have theexpertise/ qualifications to determine death.
Also ... if it is believed that Joran acted alone ... then the gardeners observation/testimony is negated. Freddy's witness statements regarding both the shaking and the involvement of Deepak and Satish are negated. The Superior Court's ruling that Paulus did declare to the Twitty Group that he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning Natalee Holloway went missing is negated.
I believe that the video recording "confession" is all an elaborate scheme ...
all about implicating "only" Joran
and ... distancing the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus ... distancing the Pimps who can implicate Paulus ... distancing those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee's body on the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... distancing those in the Dutch/Aruban administration/judiciary who were aware of or involved in the coverup that has denied Natalee Holloway justice.
It defies my comprehension how Peter Devries and Patrick vander Eem can perfectuate the lie "The Case is Solved. We got a Confession from Joran."
From the moment that I read the rough translation of the phone interview with Joran one day prior to the airing of the video recording ... I have felt that this was another Aruban deception and ... I have not changed my mind since.
Time will tell. If I have to eat crow ... so be it.
Off to Blonde's for some freshly baked chocolate chip cookies. See you all there.
Janet
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Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005
Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do."
Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html
Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
June 12, 2005
Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.
He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.
After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.
They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.
The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.
After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.
The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that
the four of them
drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel
. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that
they
had left her on the beach
. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do.
Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by
Deepak and Satish
.
Translation Credit: Rammstein
Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2006
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I
know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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SS ,can you find out if Kawish is related to the Kalpoes?
You do this very well
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=213.0
PROCES -VERBAAL - DEEPAK
We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively officer first class and sergeant first class, with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes District II, declare the following.
On June 9th 2005, approximately 10:55am, we interviewed as a suspect the man named: Deepak Sharma KALPOE, born in Paramaribo, Surinam on October 6 1983, assistant manager Cyberzone Internet Café and
living on
Hooiberg 91-B
, Santa Cruz, Aruba.
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Quote from: Blonde on April 19, 2008, 07:36:43 PM
SS ,can you find out if Kawish is related to the Kalpoes?
You do this very well
Kawish's family tree:
http://www.benningshof.com/namen/r.html
I think that would be the father's side...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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vms
I trust you to straighten this all out. Please post a summary for me, when you're done. I feel like I'm having a deja vu experience from the "Florida" days.....a name or fact here and there...mixed up with...whatever. I'm lost.
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Quote from: klaasend on April 19, 2008, 07:42:08 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=213.0
PROCES -VERBAAL - DEEPAK
We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively officer first class and sergeant first class, with the Korps Politie Aruba and attached to the Section Often Occurring Crimes District II, declare the following.
On June 9th 2005, approximately 10:55am, we interviewed as a suspect the man named: Deepak Sharma KALPOE, born in Paramaribo, Surinam on October 6 1983,
assistant manager Cyberzone Internet Café
and
living on
Hooiberg 91-B
, Santa Cruz, Aruba.
(snipped)
Thanks Klaas. It appears that Caps has the wrong Kalpoes.
I never realized that Deepak was assistant manager of the Internet cafe.
Janet
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google Translated from Dutch:
HANS MOS IS VERY BEZIG MISSPELLED.
Hans Mos, the new - but allows quick-shooting star of the PPS Make a mess of it. The accumulation of bad things come now
2 new blunders
. (There would have promised him the Procureurschap as the current Jorg way or already left). In the first place, it
Hendrik Croes (the big man behind the MEP government
) freely let go after this man, or not proven, against a policeman in aangereden citizen who wanted him the way versperren.
There has been no research yet committed since, and now is, Mos said 'it's not just somebody
. " We anticipate Aruba already a bunch of people around with t-shirts with the inscription, 'I am not just somebody. " Mos else was present at the end of the occupation of the council and that he had, as I understand it,
nothing to find
.
Meanwhile takes ambtenarenstaking on Aruba for over 6 weeks and grimmiger. If it continues it becomes the war. In short, troubled times on our island.
http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html
Hmmmm, the investigation didn't turn up anything?? I thought there were pictures of Croes hitting the cop with his car. Ahhh..but Hendrik isn't just somebody....
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2008, 06:39:57 PM
Quote from: klaasend on April 19, 2008, 06:05:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on April 19, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2008, 05:57:53 PM
Consider that the Kalpoe's stepfather is now owner of the cyber cafe ...
maybe
Aruba afforded him some other goodies in exchange for cooperation in the Natalee Holloway case.
Caps ... could you please provide the source of this info. It should be public record.
Janet
Kalpoe's stepdad is no longer the owner of the Cyber Cafe last I checked. I was of the belief that it was Kawish Misers's uncle that owned the Indo and VIP. For Caps to be correct then Kawish's uncle would be the K2's real father. Possible, but I need more info before I believe it.
Cancelled 3/9/2007
Thanks Klaas. However ... I am referring to Caps contention that Deepak's stepfather is owner of the Lions Den and the Indo ...
There must be similar records to the above for confirmation.
Janet
From a prior conversation with Kawish Misier, he admits Janira, who owns the VIP, is his aunt.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=475.160
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Quote from: Buckeye on April 19, 2008, 07:52:03 PM
vms
I trust you to straighten this all out. Please post a summary for me, when you're done. I feel like I'm having a deja vu experience from the "Florida" days.....a name or fact here and there...mixed up with...whatever. I'm lost.
Hey Buckeye,
Ditto that deja vu feeling! I don't deal well with the "Florida" type stuff. It shows, doesn't it?!
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Not to break everyones train of thought, but I have a question. I seem to remember that there was a private plane of someone from Saudi Arabia. Does anyone remember this and who was it? This could technically tie in to all kinds of political stuff.
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Quote from: gsl5343 on April 19, 2008, 08:23:46 PM
Not to break everyones train of thought, but I have a question. I seem to remember that there was a private plane of someone from Saudi Arabia. Does anyone remember this and who was it? This could technically tie in to all kinds of political stuff.
Hi and welcome to SM!
Yes, if I remember correctly it was a Saudi Prince.
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Pita
- thanks for finding that, I was looking all over for it
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Quote from: klaasend on April 19, 2008, 08:27:09 PM
Pita
- thanks for finding that, I was looking all over for it
YW!!
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
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===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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