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private eye
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)
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Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:22:34 AM
I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)
But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.
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Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:22:34 AM
I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)
But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.
And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care, and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.
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I'll read it again in the morning and maybe it will make a little more sense to me. I'll catch up in the morning
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Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:22:34 AM
I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)
Good to see you Private Eye
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Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:30:20 AM
Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:22:34 AM
I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)
But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.
And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care, and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.
Yep..that about says it all.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:26:04 AM
Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:22:34 AM
I must have taken too long of a break, because I cannot even begin to understand some of the discussion:)
But I do remember that Joran is the one who is my focus , as are the Kalpoes and Paulus. No matter which way the wind blows, no matter what, a small amount of time with them will yield the answers Beth is looking for.
PI ... I agree 100% with every word of your post.
Hey .. welcome back ... I have missed ya.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on April 19, 2008, 10:59:39 PM
Quote from: ******* on April 19, 2008, 10:52:01 PM
Quote from: gsl5343 on April 19, 2008, 08:36:18 PM
Some of the Simian posts sure seem to refer to palaces and
black robes/garments.
Also refers to gold.
Please!!! It is not Simian or Shango......
Shango and Simian talk about palaces...Merian about black togas.
Shango talks about gold bricks....
Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject:
Ingrown nails and bruised
toes hiding under black togas....
Look for counsels tomorrow getting off on tainted stories and rotten reputations.
Phones hacked by the babylonian hand. 112 pieces of the puzzle that don't fit.
The well is full of technicalities. Do not be surprised. Merian has been right before.
Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: Know the passage...
Read with care. Forked tongues with framed reputations on their walls.
Crawling in the
palace looking for trapdoors and cracks in the floor.
Do not be surprised. Only the package from The Hague holds the thin layers of answers.
Never has mail been so late.
[/i]
Never noticed that before - "forked tongues with framed reputations on their walls."
To me, that implies a fake degree.
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PI --- we/I'm still here! This has not gone away or become stagnant!!! Please tell Beth that we are more determined than ever!!
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 10:03:24 PM
Quote from: vms on April 19, 2008, 09:35:18 PM
Is Bouwman a common name there, Caps?
Birmingham News
Police arrested a teen Thursday who spent time with Natalee Holloway during her visit here and may have been one of the last people to see her before she disappeared.
Police detained Joren van der Sloot, 17, after a 6 a.m. raid of his home in the town of Montana. They also arrested two brothers, Depak, 17, and Datish Kalpoe, 18, in the town of Hooiberg.
Attorney General Karin Janssen would not specify what charges the three could face.
…
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.
Brenda Bouwman
, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=bounch
Now that is strange.
A bouwman??? Let me check the DATABASE...
Bouwman Hendricus C 8/24/1954 Amsterdam Koyari 38F
Bouwman Brenda O 10/2/1961 Amsterdam Piedra Plat 99C
Bouwman Leopold I 6/22/1941 Aruba Beatrixstraat 28
Bouwman Lisette A 4/29/1980 Aruba Fahrenheitstraat 18
Bouwman Robert A 5/17/1983 Aruba Fahrenheitstraat 18
Bouwman Robert A 11/30/1942 Aruba Rooi Bosal 36
Bouwman Kenneth M 5/3/1957 Aruba Seroe Patrishi 51
Bouwman Walter AHB 7/19/1964 Hoogeveen Bushiri 98
Bouwman Martin R 11/22/1950 Soerabaja Hooiberg 91B
Bouwman, geb. Helder Domitilia P 5/12/1922 Aruba Seroe Patrishi 51
Bouwman, geb. Lugo Santa A 3/7/1970 Bani Mons Nieuwindtstraat 13
here are the names
Caps…
Please check database…
Bouwman Lisette A Dadelstraat 23 ...................................
Bouwman-Lugo Santa A Mississippistraat ................................
Bouwman Sandro G F Tanki Leendert 167 ..........................
http://www.arubayp.com/whitebook.html?PageNumber=22
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:30:20 AM
And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care,
and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.
(I hope I trimmed this up right.)
OK so my thinking on 'no body no case' moved forward to current info Joran has admitted doing away with Natalee dead or alive (with a friend maybe) means that he cannot even prove that she was deceased, yes? Doesn't Geen lijk geen zaak backfire on Joran in this case? It wasn't a body he so cavalierly disposed of, he's basically admitted murder and cannot prove that he didn't?
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Truth is a "Social Invention", Right Paulus?
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: GrannyToad on April 20, 2008, 07:01:53 AM
Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:30:20 AM
And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care,
and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.
(I hope I trimmed this up right.)
OK so my thinking on 'no body no case' moved forward to current info Joran has admitted doing away with Natalee dead or alive (with a friend maybe) means that he cannot even prove that she was deceased, yes? Doesn't Geen lijk geen zaak backfire on Joran in this case? It wasn't a body he so cavalierly disposed of, he's basically admitted murder and cannot prove that he didn't?
Thats exactly the way I see it too, Granny -- maybe that is why he is in hiding...all his legal advisors said -- Whoops!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 20, 2008, 07:27:14 AM »
Quote from: GrannyToad on April 20, 2008, 07:01:53 AM
Quote from: private eye on April 20, 2008, 12:30:20 AM
And if we ever actually stumble on this Duary or whomever, then he will get his just reward now. But there is no sense going off chasing or blaming an illusion at this point. And maybe it isn't a massive coverup, but the local dirty dutch and Rudy are certainly conspiring to cover it up. And scripted or not, Patrick managed to get Joran to prove he was a druggie, Natalee went in a semi coma in his presence and care,
and he had her dumped in the ocean not knowing that she was dead, so he murdered her. When we find her a can do an autopsy, then we can determine if she died before she was drowned. But, no body, no autopsy, thus murder.
(I hope I trimmed this up right.)
OK so my thinking on 'no body no case' moved forward to current info Joran has admitted doing away with Natalee dead or alive (with a friend maybe) means that he cannot even prove that she was deceased, yes? Doesn't Geen lijk geen zaak backfire on Joran in this case? It wasn't a body he so cavalierly disposed of, he's basically admitted murder and cannot prove that he didn't?
Before Joran did his confession, Pa v.d.S. said: "no body no case". Of course it was better to get rid of the body.
Maybe something unexpected happened, "they"" decided to make up a story (Googling for drugs and alcohol) but later they decided to get rid of the body because it leaves more time to cover up. And with some luck maybe even "no body no case".
Since Jorans confessions you can't say "no body no case" anymore of course.
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Caps
Vanity Fair
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..Before I went to Aruba, she told me that the Kalpoe family had been embroiled in the odd death of a former maid, and that Mrs. Kalpoe had been detained;
it turned out the case had involved another family
...
http://scrux.com/clonedpages/vanityfairoriginal.htm
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hay welkom here !!!
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someone send me a mail with only this :
Cohen Izaak - Noord 3-Aruba
were is this ? is it a street ?
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
http://www.nataleeholloway.smfnew.com/index.php
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Quote from: gsl5343 on April 19, 2008, 08:23:46 PM
Not to break everyones train of thought, but I have a question. I seem to remember that there was a private plane of someone from Saudi Arabia. Does anyone remember this and who was it? This could technically tie in to all kinds of political stuff.
YES
Prince Nayef Bin Sultan Bin Fawwaz Al-Shaalan is the Saudi who had his yacht parked in the harbor off of Aruba the week Natalee vanished.
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=633967&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
more here
http://www.house-hunting.com/dorism/
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Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 09:16:23 PM
Now researching all from Soerabaja
van Driel, geb. Bakker Wilhelmina IC 6/19/1925 Soerabaia Wayaka 361
Flemming, geb. Muller Adira E 2/23/1947 Soerabaja Caya Frère Henricus 9
Pellegrim, geb. Enghardt Mary E 7/31/1931 Soerabaja Cura Cabai 57
Bouwman Martin R 11/22/1950 Soerabaja Hooiberg 91B
Bakker Christianus EM 1/5/1950 Soerabaja Macuarina 52
Huskens, geb. Caus Hedy L 12/19/1947 Soerabaja Sabana Libre 273
Nierop, geb. de Koning Catharina M 7/10/1941 Soerabaja Savaneta 206
van Ham Robert B 10/30/1948 Soerabaja Sombre 14C
Now from all these name there is only 3 man and all the rest are women with Dutch names
Now Just got a nother tip to check. de Van Straten Kid, any one have picture of him.
I
Think
this is him Giliam van der Straaten
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Quote from: johan555 on April 20, 2008, 07:44:28 AM
someone send me a mail with only this :
Cohen Izaak - Noord 3-Aruba
were is this ? is it a street ?
Ike Cohen is involved with Manchebo Beach Club. Also, more info at this link:
http://www.ikecohen.org/bio/index.html
MANCHEBO BEACH CLUB
DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
COHEN, IZAAK;
Residing in NOORD 3, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, ROTTERDAM on 2 JUNE 1911
Nationality DUTCH
Position PRESIDENT OF THE MANAGING BOARD
Effective 25 NOVEMBER 1996
Authority RESTRICTED
CRONA, WILLIAM DIXON;
Residing in 2020 LEE AVENUE TALLAHASSEE, , FLORIDA, 32301, U.S.A.
Born in U.S.A., DIFUNIAK SPRINGS,FL. on 19 AUGUST 1948
Nationality AMERICAN
Position SUPERVISORY DIRECTOR/COMMISSIONER
Effective 25 NOVEMBER 1996
KOLMAN, ANTONIUS (JR);
Residing in SEROE BIENTO 26-I, SANTA CRUZ, ARUBA
Born in THE NETHERLANDS, ZWOLLE on 5 MAY 1955
Nationality DUTCH
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 3 AUGUST 2000
Authority RESTRICTED
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Quote from: johan555 on April 20, 2008, 07:44:28 AM
someone send me a mail with only this :
Cohen Izaak - Noord 3-Aruba
were is this ? is it a street ?
There was a very prominent hotel/restaurant owner by the name of Ike Cohen. IIRC, he owned Manchebo Resort. I think he died a year or two ago. I could never tract a link to Steve Cohen (the media rep)...at one time, we even looked through Ike's 90th? birthday pictures, to see if we could find Steve.
The Noord3 could be an address. I am not good on addresses. LOL
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Oops...sorry Pita
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=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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