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Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 - 4/24/08 (Read 335530 times)
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johan555
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 10:35:15 AM »
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
oh really ,i was also in Den Dolder 2 weeks ago
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
http://www.nataleeholloway.smfnew.com/index.php
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 10:44:55 AM »
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
our reporters ? do you work for a magazine ? tv ?
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Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
http://www.nataleeholloway.smfnew.com/index.php
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 10:46:17 AM »
Quote from: johan555 on April 23, 2008, 08:04:48 AM
are these pics recent and from thailand ?
these look like pics that were taken after jvds was served the papers as he arrived in new york. the network wienie assigned to pick him up covered him up with a jacket.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 11:15:41 AM »
Just posted on the front page of SM:
Amsterdam 020 wrote:
http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/internet_en_gadgets/artikel/asp/artnr/202835/rss/true/index.html
http://www.depers.nl/binnenland/195265/Joran-lichtte-vriend-op-vanuit-Thailand.html
http://www.rtl.nl//actueel/rtlboulevard/video/2008_week17.xml
the last link is a video from a dutch news show yesterday. Peter de Vries is also present.
The bottom line is that apparently, Joran is partying in Thailand and was in the mean time chatting with some guy he met through Hyves. At one point, de guy asked “I thought you were admitted in a mental hospital” to which Joran replied “haha I fooled everyone”.
Joran later told this man that he was being black mailed by the Thai cops because he had some soft drugs on him. He claimed that he had to pay this cop off. So the guy transferred 1000 euro’s to Joran and later gave him his online banking data. After that Joran took another 1500 euro’s from the account of this man.
Peter de Vries says in the video that he already knew that Joran wasn’t in a hospital but in Asia.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 11:37:44 AM »
Quote from: johan555 on April 23, 2008, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
our reporters ? do you work for a magazine ? tv ?
TV.
Thanks for posting the pic of de Witte BTW!
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 11:43:07 AM »
Quote from: klaasend on April 23, 2008, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
Joran was conning Mart. Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.
Yeah I think so....buying off cops in Thailand for a couple of thousand Euros? I have a hard time believing that story (especially combined with the picture of those people being in his room pointing a gun at him). But then again...maybe he's in Den Dolder because he was so shocked after that experience
Don't know what to believe anymore?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 11:57:05 AM »
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 04:44:30 AM
Here are the chats we got on camera (the interview doesn't give extra info except the fact it seems Joran has another debt in a casino (Hong Kong)...)….the translations are loose because Joran uses slang a bit so I’ve interpreted the meaning sometimes because otherwise, with a literal translation, it wouldn’t make sense.
??? mean I couldn’t read it so words / sentences are missing
Joran:
Hey man how’s it going?
I will pay you back, next month, I promise
Another:
Yeah look, what I’ve done is not ok but I had no other choice and by putting it online you’ve put me in danger.
Are you on several blogs? Because I’ve heard it from several people. So you don’t keep things between us a secret. And I believed you.
Martin:
I’m really sorry & I won’t do it again. Whatever happens. You told me I was your only FRIEND and I would like to keep it that way. I want to stay your friend….that we can fix things between us…you and me.
Nooo man, I only posted a message on your Hyves..certainly not on the internet / blogs or whatever. I’ve never talked to anyone about anything. I have no….???
Joran:
I hope so man
I would like to stay friends, really, but I do have stories my friend
They were in my room with guns and everything
I felt awful
Now everybody is finally gone…I’m 100% safe now
And I’ve got my passport back
Martin:
I hope Joran, that we can stay friends….I never judged you or asked you questions about Natalee…???? I hope our problems can be solved and we can start over just like in the beginning. The whole world is angry with you and I won’t partipate in that…You know that buddy!
Joran:
Yes I know, and I believed you….I can understand you were angry with me but you’ve said some nasty things about me.
Martin:
I know and I’m really sorry. I wasn’t myself and I’m really sorry. Can you forgive me? I’m really sorry.
Joran:
Of course I can forgive you.
Can you forgive me?
Chatsession 20-04-2008
Joran:
Hey dude
Martin:
Hello
Joran:
How’s it going?
Martin:
Well, not that good, swa
Joran:
Tell me, what’s wrong
Yeah, sorry man, but had no choice…had to pay those people off otherwise I was screwed…I will pay you back as soon as I’ve got the money
Martin:
I feel used. I thought I had a good friend who I could trust for a 100%.
Really Joran? You will pay back everything? A promise made from one friend to another?
Joran:
Yes, I still look at you as a friend.
There was a gun pointed at me so I didn’t think ???
I would still like to meet you if that’s possible.
But I will understand if you don’t want to.
Good Morning GBMW
Would you please provide the source (link) pertaining to this dialogue. Where was it exposed?
GBMW ... considering the the dialogue implies that Mart and Joran have never met ... do you think it is possible that Joran never left the Netherlands ... he was in the institution all along? Could he have been scamming a lonely man into thinking ther could be a relationship ... friendship?
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 12:13:04 PM »
Janet i think mart is gay
Could he have been scamming a lonely man into thinking ther could be a relationship ... friendship?
Janet
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 12:17:47 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on April 23, 2008, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
Joran was conning Mart. Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.
he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.
and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.
and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.
i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Reply #869 on:
April 23, 2008, 12:25:29 PM »
Quote from: caesu on April 23, 2008, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: klaasend on April 23, 2008, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
Joran was conning Mart. Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.
he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.
and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.
and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.
i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.
:
Who knows caseu
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 12:29:16 PM »
Sounds like our Dutch monkeys are doing some great investigating. Last week there was discussion of money and how they travel around from Aruba to Holland, maybe Korea and Thailand, and there's always that issue of who is paying for Joe Tacopina, his female sidekick (I forget her name -- Rosemarie or something?) and his crack investigative team. So when I popped in to see what was happening and saw that Joran has been in Thailand, I checked Expedia.com:
from $6586 Roundtrip
12:00 pm Depart Amsterdam (AMS)
Arrive Bangkok (DMK) 2:10 pm +1 day Sun 27-Apr
Duration: 21hr 10mn KLM 4103
Thai Air International 4786 / 1206
Connect in Kuala Lumpur (KUL), Phuket (HKT)
Even in Euros, that's going to be in the $4,000 to $5,000 range.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 12:29:58 PM »
Quote from: johan555 on April 23, 2008, 12:13:04 PM
Janet i think mart is gay
Could he have been scamming a lonely man into thinking ther could be a relationship ... friendship?
Janet
johan ... this is why I said "relationship".
The dialogue implies that Mart indicated that Joran was his "only" friend which makes me think he was very vulnerable and ... this is why he was deceived into giving his bank informaton.
The point of my post was ... Could it be that Joran was perpetuating his scam from the Netherlands not ... Thailand? By implying he was in Thailand was akin to dangling the carrot in front of the donkey. In other other words ... Mart would be anticipating a connection with Joran at some point ... whether it was for a "relationship" or a friendship.
johan ... my morning coffee has yet to clear the cobwebs ... I hope I am making sense.
Janet
9:30 AM
++++++++
April 18th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
RESPONSE PATRICK
I think you should go to the same psychiatric clinic as Joran
. You have a brilliant cover there to get some more story from him.
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Follow the money.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Quote from: klaasend on April 23, 2008, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
Joran was conning Mart. Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.
EXACTLY!!!
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
_____
“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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Forgive my manners. Good morning Monkeys!
One of the reasons I popped in this morning is to post this story, or a link to it. I just posted it over in Becca McEvoy's thread. It's a story about Three Trees that reminds us that God does things his way, not our way, and sometimes His way is better.
I know some of you will understand and appreciate this, for Natalee, for yourselves and so many others. I need to remind myself of it often and this story always helps.
http://pushih.com/threetrees.html
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 12:38:35 PM »
Quote from: caesu on April 23, 2008, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: klaasend on April 23, 2008, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
Joran was conning Mart. Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.
he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.
and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.
and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.
i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.
caesu ... I believe you. However ... when did Devries confirm that the internet dialogue did not take place in the Netherlands.
Is there a transcript or video that I could be linked to?
Thank you.
Janet
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
_____
“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 12:41:39 PM »
Maybe Joran earns his keep as a "mule" for drug dealers and wants to move up. Thought Patrick was his ticket.
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April 23, 2008, 12:48:50 PM »
Hi everyone --
O/T --
Fox News report -- Carnival Cruise line looking for 44-year-old man on Cozumel cruise; wife reported him missing
I don't think I'll EVER go on a cruise ...
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April 23, 2008, 12:53:50 PM »
Quote from: LilPuma on April 23, 2008, 12:35:49 PM
Forgive my manners. Good morning Monkeys!
One of the reasons I popped in this morning is to post this story, or a link to it. I just posted it over in Becca McEvoy's thread. It's a story about Three Trees that reminds us that God does things his way, not our way, and sometimes His way is better.
I know some of you will understand and appreciate this, for Natalee, for yourselves and so many others. I need to remind myself of it often and this story always helps.
http://pushih.com/threetrees.html
LilPuma ... thank you.
I speculate (I wish I could comprehend the ways of God) that Joran will ultimately be the used by God to reveal the truth regarding the events encompassing the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the coverup which followed. Joran was the participant who knows all ...
I believe that the truth will not be revealed while Joran is drugged ... through deception or ... through force. The truth will be revealed through "genuine" repentence ... "genuine" desire to turn it life around by make right the wrongs.
Think about the video recording. It is so obvious Joran is spinning out of control. I believe the breaking point is not far off.
Janet
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
_____
“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
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April 23, 2008, 01:08:58 PM »
Quote from: caesu on April 23, 2008, 12:17:47 PM
Quote from: klaasend on April 23, 2008, 10:34:47 AM
Quote from: GBMW on April 23, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
I just heard our reporters have paid a visit in Den Dolder....Joran was there (at least) until 2 weeks ago. This is
not
an official quote of course
So it seems Joran has stolen money from Mart....but not from Thailand...just from around the corner so to speak
Of course it could be he left Thailand and went to Den Dolder quickly afterwards
Joran was conning Mart. Joran always lies so likely he was in Den Dolder while telling Mart he was in Thailand.
he could have stayed some time at Den Dolder - maybe just daytime treatment.
and also a some time in Thailand and HK.
Peter R. confirms he was in Thailand.
also on SBS6 they checked (the internet connections?) to confirm he was in Thailand.
and i've got someone who confirmed Joran was at Den Dolder.
so has Johan555 and GBMW.
i hope some photos emerge from Den Dolder or Thailand.
You could be right Caesu...
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=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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