Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[Klowe]

Letter: Why no charges in Holloway case?

 
Published on Friday, April 25, 2008


Dear Sir:

Again and still the question is asked by thousands: "Why have there been no charges in Aruba over the disappearance of Natalie Holloway?" Why does Joran Van der Sloot continue to walk free and do his partying when he has confessed to failing to render aid to Natalie when she was obviously in acute danger or, worse, he gave her drugs that pushed her into a coma when combined with alcohol thus causing her death. Why did he dump her body instead of calling for aid? He didn't want the drugs in her system to be found is the obvious answer.

Is there no law at all on Aruba? Is there no one that cares? Why haven't the parents and the young man been made to answer questions and account for what happened? It is entirely possible that Joran's father was the person that dumped her body in the deep ocean where it lies today. Is this man and family so powerful that they are above the laws of Aruba and the laws of decency?

Aruba's citizens need to cry out for a resolution of this matter. It has gone on long enough and Aruba will continue to be boycotted until this matter is resolved. Surely this is not what this tiny island needs for tourism is a big business. I won't step a foot on this island ever and I travel extensively and rest assured Aruba will pay a huge price for the lackluster investigation and the continued and obvious absence of legal process for a young man that seems to be above the law.

The world is still watching.

Marona Hewitt,
Rockwall
Texas, USA
 
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-7380--7-7--.html

Hello Monkeys,
I have come out of lurking to say, I couldn't have said it better than this!!   Thanks for sharing this with us Klaas.   After years now of waiting on justice to finally prevail, here we are still waiting for this case to be solved, and closure for Dave and Beth.   I am very happy that the  "confession" of Joran, has brought the case back into focus.    Someone mentioned in a previous post that perhaps the VDS parents are distancing themselves from Joran because they have been quiet lately.   I agree with this, after everything was calming down for them and the Island (at least they thought), Joran once again let his arrogance and ignorance trip him up.  Perhaps Paulus DID cut him off money wise because of the "confession" and Joran is earning his drug and party$ by pulling stunts such as the most recent one, with the internet "friendship".   
Aruba was hoping to get over all of this and bring tourism back to their one crappy Island.    I also imagine that everyone contributing to the whole cover up (especially the parents of Joran) assumed that Joran would do the natural and normal thing and remain quiet and be thankful it was looking like he "got away" with everything.  I imagine they thought and expected their son to live a different lifestyle than the one that got him into all this to begin with, and he would behave himself.   I would guess the reality of having a psychopathic son may have shocked them into silence, OR, they are recovering and scheming how to get him out of it once again.    They are not doing that boy a favor raising him to think he is above the law and not making him take responsibility for his actions.   He's just growing into a bigger and more evil monster.   
Boycott Aruba!

KLOWE   

 

[wreck]

Letter: Why no charges in Holloway case?

 
Published on Friday, April 25, 2008


Dear Sir:

Again and still the question is asked by thousands: "Why have there been no charges in Aruba over the disappearance of Natalie Holloway?" Why does Joran Van der Sloot continue to walk free and do his partying when he has confessed to failing to render aid to Natalie when she was obviously in acute danger or, worse, he gave her drugs that pushed her into a coma when combined with alcohol thus causing her death. Why did he dump her body instead of calling for aid? He didn't want the drugs in her system to be found is the obvious answer.

Is there no law at all on Aruba? Is there no one that cares? Why haven't the parents and the young man been made to answer questions and account for what happened? It is entirely possible that Joran's father was the person that dumped her body in the deep ocean where it lies today. Is this man and family so powerful that they are above the laws of Aruba and the laws of decency?

Aruba's citizens need to cry out for a resolution of this matter. It has gone on long enough and Aruba will continue to be boycotted until this matter is resolved. Surely this is not what this tiny island needs for tourism is a big business. I won't step a foot on this island ever and I travel extensively and rest assured Aruba will pay a huge price for the lackluster investigation and the continued and obvious absence of legal process for a young man that seems to be above the law.

The world is still watching.

Marona Hewitt,
Rockwall
Texas, USA
 
http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/news-7380--7-7--.html

Hello Monkeys,
I have come out of lurking to say, I couldn't have said it better than this!!   Thanks for sharing this with us Klaas.   After years now of waiting on justice to finally prevail, here we are still waiting for this case to be solved, and closure for Dave and Beth.   I am very happy that the  "confession" of Joran, has brought the case back into focus.    Someone mentioned in a previous post that perhaps the VDS parents are distancing themselves from Joran because they have been quiet lately.   I agree with this, after everything was calming down for them and the Island (at least they thought), Joran once again let his arrogance and ignorance trip him up.  Perhaps Paulus DID cut him off money wise because of the "confession" and Joran is earning his drug and party$ by pulling stunts such as the most recent one, with the internet "friendship".   
Aruba was hoping to get over all of this and bring tourism back to their one crappy Island.    I also imagine that everyone contributing to the whole cover up (especially the parents of Joran) assumed that Joran would do the natural and normal thing and remain quiet and be thankful it was looking like he "got away" with everything.  I imagine they thought and expected their son to live a different lifestyle than the one that got him into all this to begin with, and he would behave himself.   I would guess the reality of having a psychopathic son may have shocked them into silence, OR, they are recovering and scheming how to get him out of it once again.    They are not doing that boy a favor raising him to think he is above the law and not making him take responsibility for his actions.   He's just growing into a bigger and more evil monster.   
Boycott Aruba!

KLOWE   

 

Welcome, KLOWE!! 

[Rob]

Hi Klowe, and welcome!

In the absence of major discussion lately it's nice to see a first time poster. I hope it's certainly not your last post. Posting is easy and fun. And if you have a big mouth like me you'll never shut up!!! LOL

I do agree with you in most of your post, except the parts about the Van der Sloots. In my opinion, they are just as guilty, if not more so. They did nothing to resolve this situation and that of course leads me to believe it's all about Paulus, the man with no time line or alibi.

It can not be resolved without him being charged. So the case will languish. Well, at least until Bram rips him apart on the stand during the civil case. My hopes are that the scope of discovery will not be limited. I can only hope as I know that these judges are crooked.

When Paulus is compelled to answer all questions and not throw out the "I don't recall" . .  only then will we get to the truth. I'm very interested to see if he too throws Joran under the bus to protect himself. When he starts answering questions I think most are going to be shocked at what really happened to Natalee.

Natalee deserves better than she has received from everyone in a position of authority.

jmbm = just my big mouth 

[dennisintn]

Hi Klowe, and welcome!

In the absence of major discussion lately it's nice to see a first time poster. I hope it's certainly not your last post. Posting is easy and fun. And if you have a big mouth like me you'll never shut up!!! LOL

I do agree with you in most of your post, except the parts about the Van der Sloots. In my opinion, they are just as guilty, if not more so. They did nothing to resolve this situation and that of course leads me to believe it's all about Paulus, the man with no time line or alibi.

It can not be resolved without him being charged. So the case will languish. Well, at least until Bram rips him apart on the stand during the civil case. My hopes are that the scope of discovery will not be limited. I can only hope as I know that these judges are crooked.

When Paulus is compelled to answer all questions and not throw out the "I don't recall" . .  only then will we get to the truth. I'm very interested to see if he too throws Joran under the bus to protect himself. When he starts answering questions I think most are going to be shocked at what really happened to Natalee.

Natalee deserves better than she has received from everyone in a position of authority.

jmbm = just my big mouth 

lol, i'm going to run my big mouth and say that there's no way paulus is going to tell the truth about what he knows just because he's under oath.  these are not honorable people we're dealing with here.  and aruba really expects them to lie to protect themselves because that's just the way it is on the island of the pariahs of the caribbean.
dennisintn

[Rob]

Hi ya Dennis, let him lie. Just more reasons to have a boycott. Nothing but the truth helps Rooba at this point. I expect him to lie. We will know if he is lying or not and that will fuel more discussion, more people becoming aware and countless hours on the MSM.. so, good let him lie. And his wife is a terrible liar too. So I hope she lies her fat ass off.

I'm sure that Bram will have the necessary facts to refute his their lies.

I hope one of the Sloots has a nervous breakdown on the stand... that would be the icing on the cake. Really I would pay good money to see Jug vs Paulus in a death match.

[Rob]

another point I am sure Bram will bring up when confronting Paulus.

Bram : Mr. van der Sloot, I need remind you that you are under oath and a conviction on one count of perjury will get your sweat ass dis-barred.

Wonder how Paulus will feel then?

That razor blade is sharp and slippery. Paulus need to perform the ulitmate balancing act. One slip up and it's over for Paulus.

[briany]

is this guy 20 ?

I, too, have wondered is this guy doesn't look older than 20.  I haven't been able to readily find another pic of Joran, but I also thought his neck was longer.

Could this be a doppleganger?  That would really make Joran laugh!

i am sure it is him.
i wonder how he looks when he is 30. if he will even make that age.

I think it is Joran too. But were, when and how the foto is taken?

On Fok people talk about Joran's mother. One of the posters wrote once that Joran's mother was with her two other kids to Holland. Other people tell she went to Holland by herself (without the little brothers).

Does anybody know if there is any proof that Joran's brothers were on Aruba the night Natalee disappeared?

VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At some point during the night I was awoken by the barking of the dogs. My son Valentijn came to me and asked me what was happening. There were a lot of people at the door and there was also a police-patrol.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 25, 2005

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother.


Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

What is the meaning of this sentence? Does she means to say that the younger brothers of Joran also were involved?
Or does she wants us to think that her children were on Aruba, the night Natalee disappeared intending to get away from the "VdS-house-scenario?".

[Klowe]

Hi Klowe, and welcome!

In the absence of major discussion lately it's nice to see a first time poster. I hope it's certainly not your last post. Posting is easy and fun. And if you have a big mouth like me you'll never shut up!!! LOL

I do agree with you in most of your post, except the parts about the Van der Sloots. In my opinion, they are just as guilty, if not more so. They did nothing to resolve this situation and that of course leads me to believe it's all about Paulus, the man with no time line or alibi.

It can not be resolved without him being charged. So the case will languish. Well, at least until Bram rips him apart on the stand during the civil case. My hopes are that the scope of discovery will not be limited. I can only hope as I know that these judges are crooked.

When Paulus is compelled to answer all questions and not throw out the "I don't recall" . .  only then will we get to the truth. I'm very interested to see if he too throws Joran under the bus to protect himself. When he starts answering questions I think most are going to be shocked at what really happened to Natalee.

Natalee deserves better than she has received from everyone in a position of authority.

jmbm = just my big mouth 

Hi Wreck and Rob,
I know I am new to most of you, but I feel like I know most of you monkeys personally.   I lurked and even posted a couple of times in the beginning, but then I did disappear off and on, for fear of no justice for Natalee and her family  and also out of disgust over the many very obvious discrepancies of the case.    I didn't post a lot due to most of the time I read the discussion, I was also at work and unable to participate much.   I have a big mouth, no doubt about that!  lol 

Rob, I agree wholeheartedly with Paulus being guilty in this.   I don't know exactly to what extent, but at least probably helping dispose of the body and covering and lying for Joran.   I won't deny that I have also wondered if Nat was suppose to be brought to Paulus personally that night since the the casino video shows him sitting at a table with Nat.   It is a possibility and you have to wonder what he might of been up to with Anita being out of town.   I know the idea is creepy, but who knows what they are truly capable of.
There has been recent discussion on the searching of the VDS house, and I have always thought, innocent people do NOT refuse search of their home.   They should actually WANT to be cleared of suspicion by allowing it as far as I am concerned.   Only the guilty would refuse search, and try to hide what might be there.   Innocent folks cooperate in situations like this.   Later on, we see pics of a furniture truck at the VDS home.   We hear about new cement work done around the pool area.   VERY suspcious!!
Also when the Bama group first arrived in Aruba looking for Nat and went to the VDS house, innocent people would not be so defensive and rude to parents who were looking for their missing daughter, who was last seen in the company of his son.   And didn't Joran say he didn't even know who she was when they first showed him her picture?   To me THAT was the dead giveaway that something just wasn't right in Aruba at all.   Of course then we began hearing the many changing stories of what happened and where they left Natalee.

I didn't mean to insinuate the parents innocence, what I was thinking is, the parents were maybe hoping they had all got away with this, and then Joran had to bring it all up recently with the taped confession.   I figure they wanted it to all die down and go away.   No such luck with the Sporter huh?     I thought possibly after the confession his parents might have become a little disgusted that Joran couldn't keep the secrets and stay quiet.  I am truly hoping this works to our advantage and keeps it in the media to pressure them into solving this once and for all!   The family has been through way too much and enough.

[Observer]

Welcome Klowe! Great to see you posting!

[Lala'sMom]

No news on Katysmom...yet.

[Tamikosmom]

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Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

What is the meaning of this sentence? Does she means to say that the younger brothers of Joran also were involved?
Or does she wants us to think that her children were on Aruba, the night Natalee disappeared intending to get away from the "VdS-house-scenario?".

briany ... I believe that Anita was referring to Joran as "one kind" and the Kalpoes as "two men".

Janet

[Rob]

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

maybe she slipped and really meant - Joran, Paulus and a third mystery, yet unidentified, man.

I know it seems she was saying Joran (kid)... Deepak and Satish (men) but maybe we are reading it too literally.

[Klowe]

<snipped>

Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

What is the meaning of this sentence? Does she means to say that the younger brothers of Joran also were involved?
Or does she wants us to think that her children were on Aruba, the night Natalee disappeared intending to get away from the "VdS-house-scenario?".

briany ... I believe that Anita was referring to Joran as "one kind" and the Kalpoes as "two men".

Janet

Hi Briany and Janet,
I too think she was referring to Joran and the Kalpoes, trying her best to make Joran look like the innocent "kid" not capable of being involved in the crime.   Notice what she says about him being shy and not liking the media attention, well you can't tell he is shy now.

Also, notice the time frame of when she is supposedly making this observation.   She says "when she arrived back from Holland, on Weds, but at this point of the investigation, ALE was focusing on the 2 security guards, not her son and the bro's.   So it is almost like she is admitting the truth of what happened without realizing it, if you know what I mean?   It wasn't until 10 or so days later that the investigation really turned to the true culprits.

[Rob]

Klowe, all great points and I certainly share your sentiments. Remember Joran said they did go to his house at 1:40 am... so that's not conjecture on any of our parts. They were there. And then he said they went to the beach at 1:50 am. I personally don't believe they ever left that house on Montanja. All indications point directly to Montanja.

All they needed was uncle Jan to cook the cell records and viola!!!

[Rob]

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back...<snipped>

This is in reference to Paulus running from the media to the small gray car that Klaas has apply named Sweatymanrunning.

I'm almost positive.

[Rob]

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back...<snipped>

This is in reference to Paulus running from the media to the small gray car that Klaas has apply named Sweatymanrunning.

I'm almost positive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
<snipped>
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

How hard is this on you and your husband? Is there a way to describe it?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. No way to describe it. I sometimes am desperate. I scream. Sometimes I'm very quiet. We talk a lot. It affects him very much.

VAN SUSTEREN: He's quiet?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

<snipped>

you know, they always say to becareful of the quiet ones.

[Klowe]

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back...<snipped>

This is in reference to Paulus running from the media to the small gray car that Klaas has apply named Sweatymanrunning.

I'm almost positive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
<snipped>
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

How hard is this on you and your husband? Is there a way to describe it?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. No way to describe it. I sometimes am desperate. I scream. Sometimes I'm very quiet. We talk a lot. It affects him very much.

VAN SUSTEREN: He's quiet?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

<snipped>

you know, they always say to becareful of the quiet ones.

Ah yes, you are correct again Rob, the "shy" part was in reference to Paulus at this time.  I remember this now seeing the info you posted.   I remember him hiding behind a bush or something too lol     Again, NOT the way an innocent person behaves hmm?   Only the guilty have something to hide.

[Rob]

from SM at the time

http://tinyurl.com/5tdolk

On June 23rd 2005, at approximately 14.30 hours, as a suspect, a man was interviewed who stated his name was: Paulus Antonius Petrus Johanna van der SLOOT.


cached page of SM
http://tinyurl.com/5knha5

there are comments about him running here, but they are not coming up highlighted.

[Observer]

Klowe, all great points and I certainly share your sentiments. Remember Joran said they did go to his house at 1:40 am... so that's not conjecture on any of our parts. They were there. And then he said they went to the beach at 1:50 am. I personally don't believe they ever left that house on Montanja. All indications point directly to Montanja.

All they needed was uncle Jan to cook the cell records and viola!!!

I only saw it once and I barely remember but I could have sworn Jossy said on TV that the rumored phone call from NH came from Montajna

[dennisintn]

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

What is the meaning of this sentence? Does she means to say that the younger brothers of Joran also were involved?
Or does she wants us to think that her children were on Aruba, the night Natalee disappeared intending to get away from the "VdS-house-scenario?".




[/quote]

she was talking about her l7 yr. old sporter and the kalpoe's, both over l8.  just anita's subtle way of saying, if there's a fault here, it must have been the elders leading her precious sporter astray.
dennisintn