Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[jackb]

I think this Van Der Sloot neighbor is a important Eye Witness..Where did this Monkey go and what does he know? 

http://v.wordpress.com/KKtYk8nT

nice find

Yes, that was a nass find.  j/b

[caesu]

The strike on Aruba is over

http://www.nu.nl/news/1542878/36/Staking_Aruba_voorbij.html
http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/3876698/_Staking_Aruba_voorbij__.html
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4601/5

[jackb]

is this guy 20 ?

I, too, have wondered is this guy doesn't look older than 20.  I haven't been able to readily find another pic of Joran, but I also thought his neck was longer.

Could this be a doppleganger?  That would really make Joran laugh!

i am sure it is him.
i wonder how he looks when he is 30. if he will even make that age.

I think it is Joran too. But were, when and how the foto is taken?

On Fok people talk about Joran's mother. One of the posters wrote once that Joran's mother was with her two other kids to Holland. Other people tell she went to Holland by herself (without the little brothers).

Does anybody know if there is any proof that Joran's brothers were on Aruba the night Natalee disappeared?

VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At some point during the night I was awoken by the barking of the dogs. My son Valentijn came to me and asked me what was happening. There were a lot of people at the door and there was also a police-patrol.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following. Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 25, 2005

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother.


Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...

"and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ..."

What is the meaning of this sentence? Does she means to say that the younger brothers of Joran also were involved?
Or does she wants us to think that her children were on Aruba, the night Natalee disappeared intending to get away from the "VdS-house-scenario?".

Well, his faces seems broken out in the same spots.  Even with the picture mirroed.  jackb

[jackb]

I think this Van Der Sloot neighbor is a important Eye Witness..Where did this Monkey go and what does he know? 

http://v.wordpress.com/KKtYk8nT

nice find

Yes, that was a nass find.  j/b

Could this count as switching places?

[Klowe]

Klowe, all great points and I certainly share your sentiments. Remember Joran said they did go to his house at 1:40 am... so that's not conjecture on any of our parts. They were there. And then he said they went to the beach at 1:50 am. I personally don't believe they ever left that house on Montanja. All indications point directly to Montanja.

All they needed was uncle Jan to cook the cell records and viola!!!

I only saw it once and I barely remember but I could have sworn Jossy said on TV that the rumored phone call from NH came from Montajna

Hi *******, thanks for the welcome   

I remember something about this too, but I am not sure if it was speculation, suspected, or if it was proven.  I don't remember where it originated from though.   You would think something like that would have been easily verifid by phone records, either from the VDS home line, or if that was hidden or covered up, perhaps records on the receiving phone?

[briany]

Klowe, all great points and I certainly share your sentiments. Remember Joran said they did go to his house at 1:40 am... so that's not conjecture on any of our parts. They were there. And then he said they went to the beach at 1:50 am. I personally don't believe they ever left that house on Montanja. All indications point directly to Montanja.

All they needed was uncle Jan to cook the cell records and viola!!!

I only saw it once and I barely remember but I could have sworn Jossy said on TV that the rumored phone call from NH came from Montajna

Which phonecall? The first phonecall from Joran to one of the brothers containing the message urgent?
If you go home after an evening out is it normal to send your friends those kind of messages afterwards? Did they do that more ofter or was this only special for this night?

It was also very busy with the computers etc. in the house of VdS that night. Everybody was very busy.

Strange.

[jackb]

Hi Klowe, and welcome!

In the absence of major discussion lately it's nice to see a first time poster. I hope it's certainly not your last post. Posting is easy and fun. And if you have a big mouth like me you'll never shut up!!! LOL

I do agree with you in most of your post, except the parts about the Van der Sloots. In my opinion, they are just as guilty, if not more so. They did nothing to resolve this situation and that of course leads me to believe it's all about Paulus, the man with no time line or alibi.

It can not be resolved without him being charged. So the case will languish. Well, at least until Bram rips him apart on the stand during the civil case. My hopes are that the scope of discovery will not be limited. I can only hope as I know that these judges are crooked.

When Paulus is compelled to answer all questions and not throw out the "I don't recall" . .  only then will we get to the truth. I'm very interested to see if he too throws Joran under the bus to protect himself. When he starts answering questions I think most are going to be shocked at what really happened to Natalee.

Natalee deserves better than she has received from everyone in a position of authority.

jmbm = just my big mouth 

VALENTIJN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

I think this Van Der Sloot neighbor is a important Eye Witness..Where did this Monkey go and what does he know? 

http://v.wordpress.com/KKtYk8nT

nice find

Yes, that was a nass find.  j/b

Could this count as switching places?

  When Palus let Joran sit in the tournament for him that seems to be switching places.  j/b

[KarmaRoundUp]

Old letter from Caribbeabnetnews.com
::::snickering::::


LETTER TO THE EDITOR
Some Holloway hoaxsters unravelled
Friday, August 11, 2006

Dear Sir:


Thank you for your recent coverage of the two recent court decisions, one awarding damages to Mr Paulus van der Sloot for unwarranted detention, and another dismissing a Holloway-family suit initiated in New York State against Paulus and Joran van der Sloot, which sought monetary damages for the vanishing of the missing Natalee Holloway.

The internet and entertainment news media fueled a frenzy of sensationalism which spawned many anti-Dutch, anti-Aruba, anti-van der Sloot websites and eventually culminated in some US states' governments declaring a boycott against travel to the sovereign country of Aruba.

One website, which counts among its contributors two individuals who have written hundreds and hundreds of defamatory anti-Aruba and anti-Dutch articles on its site and on various anti-Dutch, anti-Aruba hate sites, recently offered up its contributors' posting records for review and analysis.

This review proved conclusively that a small cadre of Internet posters, sending messages from a select number of unique and readily identifiable Internet Protocol addresses, used a plethora of log-in names from intercheangable locations to flood that website with defamatory misinformation.

There is no reason to believe that this is unique to this one website; individual posters on other Holloway-related sites have posted as many as 8,000 messages since the last weeks of March, 2006, and writing styles and content, easily recognizable, suggest that there is a contingent of posters who seemingly spend their days, almost full-time, filling the Internet with messages designed to keep the interest alive and the traffic to various sites up.

What has been done to analyze the postings to this one website should be done by them all: follow the boiler room-type posters and you'll follow the money, and likely solve the mystery of the without-a-trace vanishing in the process.

Dayo Gould
Vancouver, BC

[briany]

Welkom Klowe 

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas

Could you drop over to Shango III and answer a question for me?  TIA

[Rob]

Jack, maybe Joran left and Paulus stayed???? that would be switching places also. I believe that is Paulus on that video in the casino. Maybe Paulus stated it backwards, meaning Joran left and Paulus remained behind. If we ever see the rest of that video we will know conclusively.

[Tamikosmom]

Considering Beth did not mention this cell message in LOVING NATALEE as the reason for the 1:30 gas station meeting with Charles Croes ... I speculate that we have not heard the last of this issue.  Following the release of LOVING NATALEE ... Beth implied to Dana Pretzer that there may be another book forthcoming pertaining to "The Evidence".

Janet

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Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta
June 30, 2005
 
C. CROES: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html


Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008

1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006

15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM

There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 42

Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.

[briany]

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

This is about the 30th of May:

At approximately 16.30, I got home and the kids were already home. Because my wife was in the Netherlands, I wanted to be home when the kids came home from school. Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki, so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym.

So in the weekend when the mother was away, Paulus did not have to stay home for the kids? 

[Rob]

Considering Beth did not mention this cell message in LOVING NATALEE as the reason for the 1:30 gas station meeting with Charles Croes ... I speculate that we have not heard the last of this issue.  Following the release of LOVING NATALEE ... Beth implied to Dana Pretzer that there may be another book forthcoming pertaining to "The Evidence".

I agree Janet. It's been said that (those) call(s) do not exist. I have a feeling that is something for a later day. jmo...

if she knows the phone number and the origin . . . ==> checkmate.

something makes Paulus sweat and it isn't the fact that he thinks Natalee is coming back to refute their stories.

[briany]

Jack, maybe Joran left and Paulus stayed???? that would be switching places also. I believe that is Paulus on that video in the casino. Maybe Paulus stated it backwards, meaning Joran left and Paulus remained behind. If we ever see the rest of that video we will know conclusively.

Paulus told he left early, so seeing him on the video with Natalee can be declared by seeing this is either an illusion or a double.

Paulus has probably a lot of doubles on Aruba. 

[Rob]

omg.. Janet you just sparked my memory. Remember when the call came into Jug's house early in the am and he let it go to the answering machine?? the call where he said is sounded like a little child?

I bet you that those on Aruba all had the home number of Jug's house and placed a few calls to make it appear that Natalee was alive and in hiding or in Venezuela. Just to deflect attention from it's rightful place and keep Beth in agony.

I wouldn't put that past a POS like Renfro.

[Rob]

Jack, maybe Joran left and Paulus stayed???? that would be switching places also. I believe that is Paulus on that video in the casino. Maybe Paulus stated it backwards, meaning Joran left and Paulus remained behind. If we ever see the rest of that video we will know conclusively.

Paulus told he left early, so seeing him on the video with Natalee can be declared by seeing this is either an illusion or a double.

Paulus has probably a lot of dtroubles on Aruba. 

briany
I fixed it
 
don't mind me, I'm robo posting today, I'll wear myself out eventually 

[Tamikosmom]

Considering Beth did not mention this cell message in LOVING NATALEE as the reason for the 1:30 gas station meeting with Charles Croes ... I speculate that we have not heard the last of this issue.  Following the release of LOVING NATALEE ... Beth implied to Dana Pretzer that there may be another book forthcoming pertaining to "The Evidence".

I agree Janet. It's been said that (those) call(s) do not exist. I have a feeling that is something for a later day. jmo...

if she knows the phone number and the origin . . . ==> checkmate.

something makes Paulus sweat and it isn't the fact that he thinks Natalee is coming back to refute their stories.

 

The lull before the storm ...

private eye
Scared Monkey

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #249 on: April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM »

hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune:)))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692;topicseen#msg371692

[Tamikosmom]

omg.. Janet you just sparked my memory. Remember when the call came into Jug's house early in the am and he let it go to the answering machine?? the call where he said is sounded like a little child?

I bet you that those on Aruba all had the home number of Jug's house and placed a few calls to make it appear that Natalee was alive and in hiding or in Venezuela. Just to deflect attention from it's rightful place and keep Beth in agony.

I wouldn't put that past a POS like Renfro.

I will check later but ... I believe you are confusing calls.  The message that sounded like children in the background was received around the time of Katrina.  IIRC Dave later confirmed that it was him who made the call to Jug and Beth's residence but ... hung up when the voice messaging came on.  However ... prior to disconnecting his little girls were recorded in the background saying "Mommy ...".

Janet

[texasmom]

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.

This is about the 30th of May:

At approximately 16.30, I got home and the kids were already home. Because my wife was in the Netherlands, I wanted to be home when the kids came home from school. Between 17.00 hours and 18.30 hours, I dropped off Joran in front of the entrance of the Aruba Raquet Club with my Suzuki, so that he could take tennis lessons and go to the gym.

So in the weekend when the mother was away, Paulus did not have to stay home for the kids? 

I would really like to know positively one way or the other if the younger VDS boys were at home or in Holland with Anita.  This post is in the archives, I don't know the source of Widget's information; but I'll believe Widget before I'll believe Paulus.  JMO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.600

 Lively Case Discussion #630 5/28 - 5/29/2007
« Reply #604 on: May 30, 2007, 12:00:20 AM » 

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Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI ..............