Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[jackb]

Jack, maybe Joran left and Paulus stayed???? that would be switching places also. I believe that is Paulus on that video in the casino. Maybe Paulus stated it backwards, meaning Joran left and Paulus remained behind. If we ever see the rest of that video we will know conclusively.

Yes, I am .99 percent that is palus on that video as I uncovered the mess they placed over his face.  The admin her posted what I uncovered one time.  Thought maybe you saw it.   Jackb

Jack I did see it and I think it was terrific. And TJ Ward told me emphatically that is Paulus. We also have the quotes ******* posted a lil while back from Jossy and others.

That's Paulus.

Did T.J. see the uncovered one.  I have pics that would blow your mind Rob. I have never posted from pictures the perps group tried to pass off as ordinary pictures.  It is strange.    Hope that T.J. and crew saw the ones I sent Admin here and it helps the family.   Jackb

[jackb]

Jack, maybe Joran left and Paulus stayed???? that would be switching places also. I believe that is Paulus on that video in the casino. Maybe Paulus stated it backwards, meaning Joran left and Paulus remained behind. If we ever see the rest of that video we will know conclusively.

Yes, I am .99 percent that is palus on that video as I uncovered the mess they placed over his face.  The admin her posted what I uncovered one time.  Thought maybe you saw it.   Jackb

Jack I did see it and I think it was terrific. And TJ Ward told me emphatically that is Paulus. We also have the quotes ******* posted a lil while back from Jossy and others.

That's Paulus.

Did T.J. see the uncovered one.  I have pics that would blow your mind Rob. I have never posted from pictures the perps group tried to pass off as ordinary pictures.  It is strange.    Hope that T.J. and crew saw the ones I sent Admin here and it helps the family.   Jackb

Make that 99 percent.  Not a dot in front of it.  LOL  got cobwebs.
Jackb

[Rob]

Did T.J. see the uncovered one.  I have pics that would blow your mind Rob. I have never posted from pictures the perps group tried to pass off as ordinary pictures.  It is strange.    Hope that T.J. and crew saw the ones I sent Admin here and it helps the family.   Jackb

Jack -
I can't say whether he saw those or not. I could forward them, but I don't think he really needs to see them. I think he has his own info and knows in his heart what is what.

I, along with everyone else would love to see the images you have referred. I bet Carpe would love to see those. He's the resident Hubbletelescope ya know This guy has an eye, actually he has two 

The best thing to do is to just post 'em and let it fly. I really doubt anyone's feeling will be hurt and I hope that if you have something you'll share it with the rest of us who have given so much time to see this through.

[Kiwi]

Rob I find it interesting that they would give up security camera pictures, but not more pictures and records kept at the tables. Instead only a bad picture of those sitting at the table. Extremely low resolution, verse software for finding persons counting or cheating. From the look of the pictures we have its definitely not state of the art like the cameras in Vegas, or these are not the Hi Resolution ones that they actually use.

[jackb]

Did T.J. see the uncovered one.  I have pics that would blow your mind Rob. I have never posted from pictures the perps group tried to pass off as ordinary pictures.  It is strange.    Hope that T.J. and crew saw the ones I sent Admin here and it helps the family.   Jackb

Jack -
I can't say whether he saw those or not. I could forward them, but I don't think he really needs to see them. I think he has his own info and knows in his heart what is what.

I, along with everyone else would love to see the images you have referred. I bet Carpe would love to see those. He's the resident Hubbletelescope ya know This guy has an eye, actually he has two 

The best thing to do is to just post 'em and let it fly. I really doubt anyone's feeling will be hurt and I hope that if you have something you'll share it with the rest of us who have given so much time to see this through.

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

[Rob]

Rob I find it interesting that they would give up security camera pictures, but not more pictures and records kept at the tables. Instead only a bad picture of those sitting at the table. Extremely low resolution, verse software for finding persons counting or cheating. From the look of the pictures we have its definitely not state of the art like the cameras in Vegas, or these are not the Hi Resolution ones that they actually use.

I have these for just such a question...danki





looks pretty state of the art to me and more than enough to meet the challenges of this case.

and a couple of tards free of charge

[Kiwi]

So is Paulus a ghost or are there any pictures of him smiling at the cameras? Or do the powers that be have all the video in a time capsule?

[Rob]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

[Tamikosmom]

In November, 2007 ... Hans Mos said one claim regarding the evidence ... it was compelling.  Less than one month later ... Hans Mos was relaying another claim ... detentions were a "long shot".

Hans Mos fails to comprehend why the family of Natalee Holloway is skeptical regarding the investigation into the disappearance of their beloved Natalee.  Could it possibly be the mixed messages of hope which were forthcoming from this prosecutors lips ... the mixed message of hope that crushes the spirit?

Janet

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NOVEMBER, 2007 - COMPELLING EVIDENCE?
 
Hans Mos
ABC NEWS
November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


Hans Mos
On the Record with Greta
November 27, 2007

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why?  The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new materiaL

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


Hans Mos
CNN
November 30, 2007

Mos has told CNN he believes authorities have enough evidence to prove Holloway is dead, even if her body is never found. He has suggested her death was an accident.

The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html


DECEMBER, 2007 - A LONG SHOT

December 20, 2007
Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says

He acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and rearresting them may have been a long shot, but "we had to give it a shot.

"I would never have forgiven myself," he said, and never would have been able to answer the question "Why didn't you even try?" given the new evidence.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/


... AND HANS MOS DOES NOT UNDERSTAND??

December 20, 2007
Holloway suspect wrote teen was dead, prosecutor says

And on December 1, Mos said, he and others in his office had "a very good talk" with the Holloways.

"Sometimes I got the impression that we aren't on the same side," he said. "That sort of disturbed me, and I think they should know that we are just as much dedicated to solving this case as they want us to be, and I cannot come up with the results. I wish I had. I feel very sorry."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/20/aruba.holloway.case/


HANS MOS ... PLEASE LISTEN WITH YOUR HEART TO THE MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY.

Beth Twitty
DR. PHIL SHOW
January 29, 2006

BETH: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba. If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null

[Kiwi]

Page 11 I'll be back later to see what Jackb puts up. Thanks Rob for the photos of the casino security. Where definitely missing some of those pieces of this cases.

[sb]

I see Rob has found some more info in a LOT of areas that touch on our case, looking back to the last thread.

There can be NO question that Aruba is in up to the hilt with clandestine activities of all kinds... the Mena connections are ringing lots of bells with me.

Rob, buddy, I fully understand too that it ain't all on one side of the aisle, if you know what I mean.

On another tack here... what on EARTH would Joran want to go to Thailand for? Think that one through... he's a COLLEGE kid, yet he flies all over the globe. Who is buying this plane tickets? And for WHAT? Follow the Money.

If that had been the Maarten who we first researched as the porno queen of the Orient LOL, back in the early days of the case, who Joran had visited- that would be too brazen for words, and would make crystal clear what the nexus of illicit activities related to the case is. That would have been almost like an in-your-face-Monkeys move for Joran to go meet with the guy who we outed as the perverted American/Dutch ex-military yahoo who flaunts his appetites for young girls.

But if not the same guy... for what reason does Joran go all the way to the Far East to see this man, when he is supposed to be in an institute in Holland being treated for mental disorders? The cost of the flight itself would have offset the "financial help" this Marten guy promised. Ever heard of a wire transfer?

JVDS is the weirdest character on this planet. At best.

At worst, one shudders to think what monstrous things he is involved in.

[Rob]

JVDS is the weirdest most dangerous character on this planet. At best.

At worst, one shudders to think what monstrous things he is involved in currently.

I fixed it, 

 and agree with all your thoughts. Great to see you again sb.

[Observer]

"Your own Father" I believe is one of the biggest clues in this case besides the Supreme Court ruling that he had two contact with Natalee and picked her and joran both up at 4AM. I think it has been obvious that the 10 year old lil bro was not home and Paul VDS was drinking alcohol,gambling and sitting next to Natalee Holloway when he claimed to leave 2 hours earlier. I don't know how the Zeola's and others can live with themselves giving false alibi's for killers of a murdered teen. No reason to lie about meeting Natalee twice,sitting next to her at the casino,picking her and joran up at 4am and going to the bank the next day if he was not directly involved in the events before,during and after her dissapearance.

The casino screen shots resolution is just fine. What is not fine is the deliberate act of concealing Paul Van De Sloots identity by blocking out his face. The initial crime of what they did to Natalee was premeditated and Paul Van Der Sloot is most definetly involved.

Why lie about sitting next to Natalee Holloway and having the need to create a false alibi if she dissapeared 5 hours later?





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

[Tamikosmom]

Giving Anita the benefit of the doubt (Did I say that?) ... her words "in the beginning" in the Pauw and Witteman interview regarding Natalee being left at the beach could have been referring to late June when Joran officially changed story.  It must be considered the the Pauw and Witteman interview was 2 1/2 years following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I could be wrong.

Janet

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Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008  
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: I thought that in the begining for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door.  He was not raised like that.  So I was really furious at him, both of us were.  So I thought, could something have happened?

Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...
 
Anita: But I had, well drugs... no, but alcohol...  Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253


Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  While the father of Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old held in Aruba, was himself arrested Thursday, the teenager's mother said her son has changed the story he initially gave police.

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, first told police that they dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that her son now tells a different story. Joran now admits to being alone with Natalee on a beach but insists he did not hurt her, Anita van der Sloot said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html

[Buckeye]

Giving Anita the benefit of the doubt (Did I say that?) ... her words "in the beginning" in the Pauw and Witteman interview regarding Natalee being left at the beach could have been referring to late June when Joran officially changed story.  It must be considered the the Pauw and Witteman interview was 2 1/2 years following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I could be wrong.

Janet

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Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008  
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: I thought that in the begining for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door.  He was not raised like that.  So I was really furious at him, both of us were.  So I thought, could something have happened?

Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...
 
Anita: But I had, well drugs... no, but alcohol...  Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253


Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  While the father of Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old held in Aruba, was himself arrested Thursday, the teenager's mother said her son has changed the story he initially gave police.

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, first told police that they dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that her son now tells a different story. Joran now admits to being alone with Natalee on a beach but insists he did not hurt her, Anita van der Sloot said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html

Why, in Holland, would she be concerned that Joran was the last with Natalee??  At that time, supposedly, the belief was that three amigoes dropped Natalee at her hotel.  Supposedly they had no idea of Joran being the last anything or about the beach.  They knew the real story...IMO..

[Dayhiker]

Rob I find it interesting that they would give up security camera pictures, but not more pictures and records kept at the tables. Instead only a bad picture of those sitting at the table. Extremely low resolution, verse software for finding persons counting or cheating. From the look of the pictures we have its definitely not state of the art like the cameras in Vegas, or these are not the Hi Resolution ones that they actually use.

I'd be willing to bet the reason Posner was pissed about those tapes being released is that they have all of Paulus' movements on them, entering and exiting the casino at what times, playing cards, etcetera. No way they can say they have them because we have seen the ones that were aired of Joran and Natalee.

This paints them into a corner. Maybe that one snippet they played obscured Paulus, but all those other cameras and the rest of the footage won't. He is on the tapes. There is no reason they don't have him dead to rights.

[Dayhiker]

Giving Anita the benefit of the doubt (Did I say that?) ... her words "in the beginning" in the Pauw and Witteman interview regarding Natalee being left at the beach could have been referring to late June when Joran officially changed story.  It must be considered the the Pauw and Witteman interview was 2 1/2 years following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I could be wrong.

Janet

+++++++++++++++
 
Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008  
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: I thought that in the begining for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door.  He was not raised like that.  So I was really furious at him, both of us were.  So I thought, could something have happened?

Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...
 
Anita: But I had, well drugs... no, but alcohol...  Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253


Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  While the father of Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old held in Aruba, was himself arrested Thursday, the teenager's mother said her son has changed the story he initially gave police.

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, first told police that they dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that her son now tells a different story. Joran now admits to being alone with Natalee on a beach but insists he did not hurt her, Anita van der Sloot said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html

Why, in Holland, would she be concerned that Joran was the last with Natalee??  At that time, supposedly, the belief was that three amigoes dropped Natalee at her hotel.  Supposedly they had no idea of Joran being the last anything or about the beach.  They knew the real story...IMO..

Superb sleuthing Buckeye. She is saying that Joran was the last to be seen with Natalee before they even changed their story! Anita was in on it from the start, she knew damn well what the sporter had done.

[Tamikosmom]

Beth know the truth.  In all probability the Mountain Brook students confirmed that to her the Paulus was at the black jack table with them on the evening of May 29, 2005.  Think about it ... Beth's words to Rita Cosby regarding a Paulus/Natalee encounter occurred six months prior to the casino video recording revealing Natalee conversing with an "older" man.

I wonder if Steve Cohen ever got back to Rita Cosby with his take on the video recording.

Janet

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THE MAN IN THE CASINO VIDEO

Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


John Q. Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY … John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?
 
JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

COSBY: And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before?

KELLY: No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her. And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Kimberly Guilfoyle
THE LINEUP
June 9, 2006

GUILFOYLE: .... As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.


Steve Cohen
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY: You know, Steve, have you heard these claims that, in this video—there’s this surveillance video that we saw in the casino that was showed a while back—that Paulus Van Der Sloot may be in the casino actually even talking to Natalee. And what we just heard from John, it doesn’t sound like that was asked of him before, if he actually even engaged in some conversation with her that night.

COHEN: I have to say that, unfortunately, I have not had a chance to view that tape. I’ve been in transit in the last 24 hours. Once I get a look at it, I think I’ll be able to give you a better comment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

[Dayhiker]

"Your own Father" I believe is one of the biggest clues in this case besides the Supreme Court ruling that he had two contact with Natalee and picked her and joran both up at 4AM. I think it has been obvious that the 10 year old lil bro was not home and Paul VDS was drinking alcohol,gambling and sitting next to Natalee Holloway when he claimed to leave 2 hours earlier. I don't know how the Zeola's and others can live with themselves giving false alibi's for killers of a murdered teen. No reason to lie about meeting Natalee twice,sitting next to her at the casino,picking her and joran up at 4am and going to the bank the next day if he was not directly involved in the events before,during and after her dissapearance.

The casino screen shots resolution is just fine. What is not fine is the deliberate act of concealing Paul Van De Sloots identity by blocking out his face. The initial crime of what they did to Natalee was premeditated and Paul Van Der Sloot is most definetly involved.

Why lie about sitting next to Natalee Holloway and create a false alibi if she dissapeared 5 hours later?

Good evening *******! Paulus was in the casino picking out his prize. They drug her and bring her home to Papa on his last night of freedom from his ugly hag of a wife's return. Later that morning he's looking up drug and alcohol overdose on the internet. Whay would he be doing that? Yep, something bad happened all right. At the house, and Paulus was there.

[Buckeye]

Giving Anita the benefit of the doubt (Did I say that?) ... her words "in the beginning" in the Pauw and Witteman interview regarding Natalee being left at the beach could have been referring to late June when Joran officially changed story.  It must be considered the the Pauw and Witteman interview was 2 1/2 years following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I could be wrong.

Janet

+++++++++++++++
 
Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008  
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: I thought that in the begining for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door.  He was not raised like that.  So I was really furious at him, both of us were.  So I thought, could something have happened?

Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...
 
Anita: But I had, well drugs... no, but alcohol...  Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253


Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  While the father of Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old held in Aruba, was himself arrested Thursday, the teenager's mother said her son has changed the story he initially gave police.

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, first told police that they dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that her son now tells a different story. Joran now admits to being alone with Natalee on a beach but insists he did not hurt her, Anita van der Sloot said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html

Why, in Holland, would she be concerned that Joran was the last with Natalee??  At that time, supposedly, the belief was that three amigoes dropped Natalee at her hotel.  Supposedly they had no idea of Joran being the last anything or about the beach.  They knew the real story...IMO..

Superb sleuthing Buckeye. She is saying that Joran was the last to be seen with Natalee before they even changed their story! Anita was in on it from the start, she knew damn well what the sporter had done.

Exactly...I gave her the benefit of the doubt, in the Labelle interview...but she then repeated her thoughts regarding Joran, while she was in Holland...very clear both times....she was worried when she was called, by Paulus....(probably not nearly as worried as when Joran called her that night...IMO).