Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[Dayhiker]

Hi Kiwi, I would imagine a scenario like you have described would involve a pit-boss and a floor manager. Someone has to give that kind of O K. And if someone did, that starts the chain of events that led to the situation that we now see. They would also then hold financial responsibility. They would could be liable.

In my mind there are two entities that hold a good deal of responsibility. The Excelsior and Carlos and Charlie's. In cases in Holland, as we have heard, there is not a lot money a victim can claim. But I have a sneaky suspicion that if either entity operates in the US they could be subject to US Federal law. So, we will see.

CnC operates in the US and is a great target.

I would add the Aruban government, including ALE, Prosecutor, Judges et all, as liable, too. Once the cover-up and corruption are exposed by Beth, Bram and Peter they are going to be ripe for a lawsuit. This will damage them more than anything to date. Can you imagine all that being exposed over the U.S. and Dutch media?

[Dayhiker]

Did T.J. see the uncovered one.  I have pics that would blow your mind Rob. I have never posted from pictures the perps group tried to pass off as ordinary pictures.  It is strange.    Hope that T.J. and crew saw the ones I sent Admin here and it helps the family.   Jackb

Jack -
I can't say whether he saw those or not. I could forward them, but I don't think he really needs to see them. I think he has his own info and knows in his heart what is what.

I, along with everyone else would love to see the images you have referred. I bet Carpe would love to see those. He's the resident Hubbletelescope ya know This guy has an eye, actually he has two 

The best thing to do is to just post 'em and let it fly. I really doubt anyone's feeling will be hurt and I hope that if you have something you'll share it with the rest of us who have given so much time to see this through.

I'm with you here Bruddah. Post those puppies, Jack!

[Dayhiker]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

Jack, just post the ones you feel are appropriate. I'd like to see those casino pics you cleared up.

[Tamikosmom]

Giving Anita the benefit of the doubt (Did I say that?) ... her words "in the beginning" in the Pauw and Witteman interview regarding Natalee being left at the beach could have been referring to late June when Joran officially changed story.  It must be considered the the Pauw and Witteman interview was 2 1/2 years following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I could be wrong.

Janet

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Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008  
 
(translated from Dutch)

Witteman: Have you ever thought that maybe an accident had happened because…

Anita: I thought that in the begining for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door.  He was not raised like that.  So I was really furious at him, both of us were.  So I thought, could something have happened?

Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...
 
Anita: But I had, well drugs... no, but alcohol...  Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.  So I had thought something like, jeez, oh what now, again? But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away.  And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially had thought something like, well she will turn up.  But after three days it became rather worrying.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2767.msg370253;topicseen#msg370253


Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —  While the father of Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old held in Aruba, was himself arrested Thursday, the teenager's mother said her son has changed the story he initially gave police.

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and friends Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, first told police that they dropped off Natalee at the Holiday Inn where she was staying.

But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that her son now tells a different story. Joran now admits to being alone with Natalee on a beach but insists he did not hurt her, Anita van der Sloot said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html

Why, in Holland, would she be concerned that Joran was the last with Natalee??  At that time, supposedly, the belief was that three amigoes dropped Natalee at her hotel.  Supposedly they had no idea of Joran being the last anything or about the beach.  They knew the real story...IMO..

Buckeye ... when you consider Deepak and Satish's May 31, 2005 witness statements ... I believe that the Marriott Beach story was revealed at the getgo.  Joran must have told the beach story and implicated Deepak and Satish in his missing May 31, 2005 witness statement.  So ... it stand to reason that Anita may have slipped up.  However ... In the P&W interview ... I am not convinced that her was reference to "leaving Natalee at the beach" was when she was still in Holloand.

Hey ... I could be wrong ... story of my life.

 

Janet.

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Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.
 

Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.

[Observer]

Hi Dayhiker  You are 100% correct! Until I see proof other then Van Der Stratens cell phone triangulation done in crayon..It all went down in that house! If they were innocent,they would have gladly let them search that house immediately,instead of blocking the search 17 days later on the spot and then denying a search until two years later.

Janet: I believe at least one of Natalee's friends can identify Paul at the table and most likely did. It appears to me that Natalee is pointing at Joran when she is talking to Paul and Natalee's friend is pointing at Paul after Joran talks to him. They probably didn't identify themselves as Father and Son but I think the kids knew they knew each other..MO




http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3922731&affil=wlne

[Dayhiker]

Hi Dayhiker  You are 100% correct! Until I see proof other then Van Der Stratens cell phone triangulation done in crayon..It all went down in that house! If they were innocent,they would have gladly let them search that house immediately,instead of blocking the search 17 days later on the spot and then getting caught lying about it.

Janet: I believe at least one of Natalee's friends can identify Paul at the table and most likely did. It appears to me that Natalee is pointing at Joran when she is talking to Paul and Natalee's friend is pointing at Paul after Joran talks to him. They probably didn't identify themselves as Father and Son but I think the kids knew they knew each other..MO

You're spot on *******. If nothing had happened at the house why call in a Dutch judge friend and close buddy from the Prosecutor's office to block the search? Not once, but twice???

They must have been very concerned about lingering evidence at the house. Fluids, fibers, all that. Paulus as a lawyer and judge in training would know all about the fine edge of forensic science, as would his pals Bob Wit and Ben Vocking.

[Tamikosmom]

The adults in Joran's life have failed him miserably.  He has been  taught by authority that the moral and legal boundaries which  define a civilized society ... moral and legal boundaries which are established for his benefit and the benefit of others ... do not apply to him.

If these valuable lessons of life had been learned and embraced by Joran van der Sloot ... Natalee Holloway would be celebrating life and her family would have been spared three years of H---.

Janet

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John Q. Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 3, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: ... And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.
 
You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

[Tamikosmom]

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Janet: I believe at least one of Natalee's friends can identify Paul at the table and most likely did. It appears to me that Natalee is pointing at Joran when she is talking to Paul and Natalee's friend is pointing at Paul after Joran talks to him. They probably didn't identify themselves as Father and Son but I think the kids knew they knew each other..MO

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******* ... I believe once Paulus' image began appearing in the media ... those Mountain Brook students would were at the black jack table with Natalee would be able to identify him.  There was the Greta/Beth interview with VDS' ... the picture of Paulus driving himself to prison ...

IMO

Janet

[Observer]

You're spot on *******. If nothing had happened at the house why call in a Dutch judge friend and close buddy from the Prosecutor's office to block the search? Not once, but twice???

They must have been very concerned about lingering evidence at the house. Fluids, fibers, all that. Paulus as a lawyer and judge in training would know all about the fine edge of forensic science, as would his pals Bob Wit and Ben Vocking.

Had to be a great deal of forensic evidence to do that Dayhiker. Pouring concrete when you and your son are suspected of murder and kidnapping is very suspicious. Even the guy that prepped the pouring was suspicious and nervous. It's not like they were only worried about fibers,pubic hairs or fluids just in that main building or other bldg/bedrooms. Natalee was in that main house and outside and she left a great deal of forensic evidence.

This has to be the place something bad happened or it happened elsewhere and they brought her home immediately. Since they blocked so much of the property inside and poured concrete outiside I think it all happened there.

[jackb]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

And those would be.........?

[wreck]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

And those would be.........?

Jackb.... are you absolutely CERTAIN that the FBI has your pics??

[jackb]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

Jack, just post the ones you feel are appropriate. I'd like to see those casino pics you cleared up.

There is only the one of Palus from the original posted before people got to messing with them that I took the sign off his face.  Admin here already posted it awhile back.   jackb

[jackb]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

And those would be.........?

Jackb.... are you absolutely CERTAIN that the FBI has your pics??

No, I have not given them to any one except the Admin of BFN and Some here.  Some of them may have gotten to the investigators, but unless the people receiving them bring them down in the right program they will not come down or if they do not know how to run the computer enough to copy and past the graphics frome-mail into their graphic programs, they will not be able to see them.   Jackb

[wreck]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

And those would be.........?

Jackb.... are you absolutely CERTAIN that the FBI has your pics??

No, I have not given them to any one except the Admin of BFN and Some here.  Some of them may have gotten to the investigators, but unless the people receiving them bring them down in the right program they will not come down or if they do not know how to run the computer enough to copy and past the graphics frome-mail into their graphic programs, they will not be able to see them.   Jackb

Well, I guess you know what I'm thinking .... PLEASE submit them yourself!!!!

[AZSunny]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

And those would be.........?

JackB,
what admins on Scared Monkeys did you send these pictures to?  I haven't know Klaas, or Red too with hold helpful pictures, so I am confused We certainly have seen lots of pictures of plastic bags in various formats.  bring them on if you have them, and let us decide for ourselves. thanks.

[AZSunny]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

Jack, just post the ones you feel are appropriate. I'd like to see those casino pics you cleared up.

There is only the one of Palus from the original posted before people got to messing with them that I took the sign off his face.  Admin here already posted it awhile back.   jackb

Sorry I missed this one, would you mind posting it again?  thanks

[jackb]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

what about those that are not hurtful? can we see those?

And those would be.........?

Jackb.... are you absolutely CERTAIN that the FBI has your pics??

No, I have not given them to any one except the Admin of BFN and Some here.  Some of them may have gotten to the investigators, but unless the people receiving them bring them down in the right program they will not come down or if they do not know how to run the computer enough to copy and past the graphics frome-mail into their graphic programs, they will not be able to see them.   Jackb

If the phots are brought down in Paint, they will not be able to be seen as there are so many colors, etc.  J-Peg.  Sometimes pictures have to be put in paint and transferred to an image or scanning program and then transferred to something like Paint Shop Pro before they can be saved.
Jackb

[jackb]

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

Jack, just post the ones you feel are appropriate. I'd like to see those casino pics you cleared up.

There is only the one of Palus from the original posted before people got to messing with them that I took the sign off his face.  Admin here already posted it awhile back.   jackb

Sorry I missed this one, would you mind posting it again?  thanks

I would like to post the ones showing GVC's reflection in a beer bottle, resized and clear enough to recognize him appearing to have a gun and
a slight fire like a gun would make and some small hearts showing someone with this design was on the other side of the beer bottle and the picture was taken as the bullet was coming out of the gun.  I do not post in photobucket for my own reasons.  If Rob wants to e-mail me and get the picture I will send it to him to post with a history of where I got it, etc.
Some may disagree as beer bottles make a slight distortion, but I figure with the proper equipment the feebes could make it clear as day.  It is that good.  It was tiny, very tiny and I got it and cut this part out and worked on it and resized it, etc.  There is nothing "photoshoped" about it.  I do not do that.  Bluebear@rjia.net               Jackb

[Observer]

This little island has a ungodly amount of traffic accidents and so far this week alone 3 fatalities and already 9 for the year If you think you pay a lot for car insurance,just imagine what they paying in Aruba!

Amigoe.com snip

Well-known former soccer player dies in traffic

The traffic on the main road from Oranjestad to San Nicolas has claimed another life. This is the third fatal traffic accident this week.  The total number of fatalities in traffic this year is 9. 

[Linda in MD]

Hi Klaasend,
Was there to be a decision in the Dr. Phil case this week?
Linda