Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[jackb]

"Your own Father" I believe is one of the biggest clues in this case besides the Supreme Court ruling that he had two contact with Natalee and picked her and joran both up at 4AM. I think it has been obvious that the 10 year old lil bro was not home and Paul VDS was drinking alcohol,gambling and sitting next to Natalee Holloway when he claimed to leave 2 hours earlier. I don't know how the Zeola's and others can live with themselves giving false alibi's for killers of a murdered teen. No reason to lie about meeting Natalee twice,sitting next to her at the casino,picking her and joran up at 4am and going to the bank the next day if he was not directly involved in the events before,during and after her dissapearance.

The casino screen shots resolution is just fine. What is not fine is the deliberate act of concealing Paul Van De Sloots identity by blocking out his face. The initial crime of what they did to Natalee was premeditated and Paul Van Der Sloot is most definetly involved.

Why lie about sitting next to Natalee Holloway and having the need to create a false alibi if she dissapeared 5 hours later?





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

From this top view he looks like he is really Valentijn.  Could be.  They lie so much.  Who would know?  It looked like Valentijn coming in the fron door as well.  If they would let Joran in, they certainly would let Valentijn in.  The casino is being reckless and does not want the authorities in other places to know they are allowing very young people in their place. I guess Joran and Val could have switched places earlier or later.       jackb

[jackb]

"Your own Father" I believe is one of the biggest clues in this case besides the Supreme Court ruling that he had two contact with Natalee and picked her and joran both up at 4AM. I think it has been obvious that the 10 year old lil bro was not home and Paul VDS was drinking alcohol,gambling and sitting next to Natalee Holloway when he claimed to leave 2 hours earlier. I don't know how the Zeola's and others can live with themselves giving false alibi's for killers of a murdered teen. No reason to lie about meeting Natalee twice,sitting next to her at the casino,picking her and joran up at 4am and going to the bank the next day if he was not directly involved in the events before,during and after her dissapearance.

The casino screen shots resolution is just fine. What is not fine is the deliberate act of concealing Paul Van De Sloots identity by blocking out his face. The initial crime of what they did to Natalee was premeditated and Paul Van Der Sloot is most definetly involved.

Why lie about sitting next to Natalee Holloway and having the need to create a false alibi if she dissapeared 5 hours later?





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

From this top view he looks like he is really Valentijn.  Could be.  They lie so much.  Who would know?  It looked like Valentijn coming in the fron door as well.  If they would let Joran in, they certainly would let Valentijn in.  The casino is being reckless and does not want the authorities in other places to know they are allowing very young people in their place. I guess Joran and Val could have switched places earlier or later.       jackb

Seems to be a part in this boy's hair and possibly a slight double crown, unless it is spots on the pic.  That does not look like the original pic of Pvs behind the sign.  That looks to have been altered.  J/b

[klaasend]

Hi Klaasend,
Was there to be a decision in the Dr. Phil case this week?
Linda

Without looking I remember the next hearing was 4/29.  I'll double check that and see if that's the correct date. 

[caesu]

This little island has a ungodly amount of traffic accidents and so far this week alone 3 fatalities and already 9 for the year If you think you pay a lot for car insurance,just imagine what they paying in Aruba!

Amigoe.com snip

Well-known former soccer player dies in traffic

The traffic on the main road from Oranjestad to San Nicolas has claimed another life. This is the third fatal traffic accident this week.  The total number of fatalities in traffic this year is 9. 

i noticed that too. http://www.24ora.com/ reports multiple accidents daily, some deadly.
for a country that size it must be a very high number.
also many motor cycle accidents.
aruba has a population of 100.000, of course many tourists on top of that.

for the netherlands with 16 million people a deadly car accident is still national news.
have to add that the netherlands has one of the safest roads in europe.
i live in a small city of 50.000, deadly accidents here are very very rare.

haven't got the statistics but aruba seems to have a enormous high number of accidents.

[Linda in MD]

Thanks!!

[klaasend]

Hi Klaasend,
Was there to be a decision in the Dr. Phil case this week?
Linda

Without looking I remember the next hearing was 4/29.  I'll double check that and see if that's the correct date. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



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Future Hearings
04/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2); {Second} Motion to Dismiss;)

05/06/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Conference-Case Management (2) MTN TO DISMISS3) MTN FOR SUBST. OF PERS. REP.FOR DECEASED DEFT4) MTN FOR STAY OF ORDER5) CASE MANAGEMENT CONF6) OSC RE FTA ON 12/7/07)


https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/OnlineServices/CivilImages/index.asp

[klaasend]

Someone may have already posted this but this is the translation of the show where Mart spoke about Joran.  This was posted by Marco and Lazlo at RU:

Marco wrote:
Translation
http://www.rtl.nl/(vm=/actueel/rtlboulev.....avi_plain.xml

Mart had a 2 year long friendly Internet contact with Joran vd Sloot, and Joran knew how to put Mart in front his cart, and robbed from his account.

In 2006 Mart comes in the HIVES of Joran vd Sloot, he's full of surprise over all the internet hate that Joran receives, Mart decided he would support Joran. (not financially).

Mart: I came in contact with Joran through CRABBLES, and then I said to Joran: How is it with you Joran? Is everything okay with you?
That's how I got in contact with him, that's how we got to talk.

Commentator: For months Mart and his internet buddy talk a lot.

Mart: Joran asked: don't talk to other people about what we talk because than I stop talking with you.

Commentator: The press was saying high and low that Joran was in an institution, but Mart knew better.

Mart: I told Joran: what do I read in "de Telegraaf" are you being threaded? Are you in an institution?
Joran said: Ha ha ha, I accomplished it,
Mart asked Joran: Do you dare tell me where you are?
And you know, you know me, I won't tell anything about you.
Joran told me: of course, you can know everything about me, I'm in Thailand.
They caught me with soft drugs.
By an agent, and it was on a monday,
And before this thursday I have to pay this agent 4000 euro.
Otherwise I might go to jail, I have to pay this, otherwise I do not know what to do.
I said to him: " okay Joran I will pay that for you".
But we have an agreement that I will get that back from you.
Absolutely, Joran said, you don't have to doubt that, I will give it back to you.
Then I wired 1000 euro

Commentator: Through digital Joran tells him he wants to be back in Holland.

Mart: No problem, he said he wants to come to me, I want to live with you, if that's okay.
That's fine, if you want you can be here, take it easy, and eh eh.
Then I want to stay for half a year, and we'll take care that things are good, and then I will pay you everything back.
I said: "that's good.
But then he said "I need a ticket from Hong kong to Holland".

Commentator: Then the good guy decided to give his top secret bank code.

Mart: I had arranged it, I gave him the code, everything.
And then he was from the shet (???) off, and I did not trust that, than it showed that he took out 1500 euro, then I heard nothing anymore.

Commentator: He's poorer and Joran's pic. is still on the wall.

Mart: I have a problem to get rid of that, yes I really should put it in the trash but.......we talked a lot the last two years, you can't just erase that,


Lazlo wrote:
additional, crosstalk after the Marten clip::

De Vries: Seems that a couple of things were not true that we have heard from the press the past weeks, in which it was said that Joran was commited in a mental institution, and his lawyer informed quite slick that he could not confirm nor deny, hereby giving the impression that it was true, and due to which ppl would think ah he is a sad boy there seems to be something wrong with him and so on.
We have known for all that time though that he was in Hong Kong and in Thailand celebreting vacation and so on, and seemingly in need of money he was able to scam 6000 euro's from this man. It all went on a simple naive way if you hear the story of this man, to start with he believed Joran straight from the start that I feel is a little mistake, but also give him his banking codes.

Daphne: That is the bad thing of internet, I mean I don't know this man, he seems like a lonely man, if you build such a bond with someone over the internet, all those pictures, the book filled with pics and everything...

De Vries: Yes and Joran plays into that game.

Van der Linden: If you read that internet traffic, that man is swimming into a trap, because it looks like Joran straight from the start trying to built a relationship with him, and then at some point says I need money.

De Vries: If you have such a pic on the wall, that of course is very telling, but that was no obstacle for Joran to rob his account.

Van der Linden: Does that happen often, a sort of erotic kind of effect to alleged criminals?

de Vries: That is something I think you should look into

-laughter-

Van der Linden: Yes but do you understand what I mean, it is a sort of ...(no idea)...

de Vries: There are also a lot of girls who get a kick out of it to get in touch with Joran. They can hardly wait.

Daphne: Absurd, but these parents of Joran, where are these in this whole picture?

de Vries: Those you do not see you do not hear, this man has send a letter to these parents, I know that and I have yet to see that he will receive a response. I don't believe in that.

Daphne: They are on Aruba.

de Vries: Yes they are on Aruba, and they keep silent like mice.

Van der Linden: If I were that man I would take that pic of the wall.

de Vries: At least.

[jackb]

This little island has a ungodly amount of traffic accidents and so far this week alone 3 fatalities and already 9 for the year If you think you pay a lot for car insurance,just imagine what they paying in Aruba!

Amigoe.com snip

Well-known former soccer player dies in traffic

The traffic on the main road from Oranjestad to San Nicolas has claimed another life. This is the third fatal traffic accident this week.  The total number of fatalities in traffic this year is 9. 

i noticed that too. http://www.24ora.com/ reports multiple accidents daily, some deadly.
for a country that size it must be a very high number.
also many motor cycle accidents.
aruba has a population of 100.000, of course many tourists on top of that.

for the netherlands with 16 million people a deadly car accident is still national news.
have to add that the netherlands has one of the safest roads in europe.
i live in a small city of 50.000, deadly accidents here are very very rare.

haven't got the statistics but aruba seems to have a enormous high number of accidents.

With 14 percent of their population abusing drugs, including alcohol, and most hanging out on the same side of the island, it is no wonder there are accidents and that does not even include the drunk tourists. If there is 100 K then 14000 drug abusers plus drunk tourists running around.  They need bumper cars.   Jack b

[2NJSons_Mom]

Contact through  CRABBLES....

[Observer]

i noticed that too. http://www.24ora.com/ reports multiple accidents daily, some deadly.
for a country that size it must be a very high number.
also many motor cycle accidents.
aruba has a population of 100.000, of course many tourists on top of that.

for the netherlands with 16 million people a deadly car accident is still national news.
have to add that the netherlands has one of the safest roads in europe.
i live in a small city of 50.000, deadly accidents here are very very rare.

haven't got the statistics but aruba seems to have a enormous high number of accidents.

Hi Caesu,I read the Aruban papers daily and I am absolutely appalled by the number of horrific accidents and the blood and gore shown publicly in the newspaper. The last two months seem to be the worst I have ever seen in Aruba, as it's every bit as bad as looking at crime scene photos. At least in the Awemainta newspaper it is. The accident photo's they showed at the beginning of this week were sickening!

I thought I read the Aruban population was only 70,000 a couple of years ago? No doubt that number did not include time share owners and tourists.

[caesu]

Contact through  CRABBLES....

Joran and Martin got in contact through Hyves, this is something like the social networking Myspace of Facebook.
'krabbels', translated is a bit like 'doodles' this means they send eachother short messages through Hyves i suppose.

[caesu]

i noticed that too. http://www.24ora.com/ reports multiple accidents daily, some deadly.
for a country that size it must be a very high number.
also many motor cycle accidents.
aruba has a population of 100.000, of course many tourists on top of that.

for the netherlands with 16 million people a deadly car accident is still national news.
have to add that the netherlands has one of the safest roads in europe.
i live in a small city of 50.000, deadly accidents here are very very rare.

haven't got the statistics but aruba seems to have a enormous high number of accidents.

Hi Caesu,I read the Aruban papers daily and I am absolutely appalled by the number of horrific accidents and the blood and gore shown publicly in the newspaper. The last two months seem to be the worst I have ever seen in Aruba, as it's every bit as bad at looking at crime scene photos.

I thought I read the Aruban population was only 70,000 a couple of years ago? No doubt that number does not include time share owners and tourists.

i can't read it but every single day there are photos of accidents on http://www.24ora.com/

while searching for traffic acidents statistics in comparison with other countries i found this:

Arubans like gambling, and everywhere little shacks are found, where lottery tickets can be bought, or one can play numbers. In the past these number lotteries were not tolerated, and the winning numbers were announced on the radio, by announcing the arrivals of sailing ships from the country of origin of the lottery, with the ships' registration numbers corresponding to the winning numbers. Whenever a traffic accident occurs, lines of cars pass the crash site, and people crowd around the crashed vehicles to write down the license plate numbers. Playing these numbers in lotteries brings fortune, Gamblers who are, on a losing streak should wash their hands thoroughly, remove the underwear and put it on backwards to turn the tide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Aruba

[2NJSons_Mom]

Contact through  CRABBLES....

Joran and Martin got in contact through Hyves, this is something like the social networking Myspace of Facebook.
'krabbels', translated is a bit like 'doodles' this means they send eachother short messages through Hyves i suppose.

Thank you, caesu....I was being silly....Hyves/Crabbles....mind was wondering into other things........did not mean to disturb the discussion...

[WhiskeyGirl]

Considering Beth did not mention this cell message in LOVING NATALEE as the reason for the 1:30 gas station meeting with Charles Croes ... I speculate that we have not heard the last of this issue.  Following the release of LOVING NATALEE ... Beth implied to Dana Pretzer that there may be another book forthcoming pertaining to "The Evidence".

Janet

++++++++++++ 


Charles Croes
On the Record w/ Greta
June 30, 2005
 
C. CROES: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cell) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161233,00.html


Jug Twitty
Monkey Questionaire
January 29, 2008

1) The phone call Charles Croes listened to on William's voice mail that first night, was that found to be a misscall having nothing to do with the case?

Jug: yes

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Twitty
Birmingham Meeting/Questions and Answers (Debbie/BFN)
October 28, 2006

15. Did Natalee make any phone calls that night?

There was a strange call to a friend of hers (William) but there is no evidence that it was from Natalee. The message was on his Cell phone and he retreived it on the airplane on the way home.


Private Eye (Monkey)
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #714 1/20 -
« Reply #860 on: January 25, 2008, 09:50:00 PM

There was 1 phone call made that originally was thought to be significant because of the date only it was actually from the night before. The phone call was to a boy in Birmingham and she might have left a message for the boy, but it was not the night of the incident but the night before.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2532.msg332173#msg332173


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 42

Making their way inside the bar the men dodge a couple of fistfights and dope-smoking patrons to try to find someone with information. They don't learn anything, so we all load up again and drive to a nearby gas station, where the DEA agent wants to introduce us to someone associated with the island cell-phone company to help us get phones and set up communications among our group.

Deepak's phone was reported out of minutes.  Where was it when it received phone calls?

Why even take it with you at all? 

Did he lose the phone after that?

[wreck]

Playing these numbers in lotteries brings fortune, Gamblers who are, on a losing streak should wash their hands thoroughly, remove the underwear and put it on backwards to turn the tide.

Uhhhhhh......... I hope they are washing their hands AFTER changing their underwear.

[Observer]

Contact through  CRABBLES....

Joran and Martin got in contact through Hyves, this is something like the social networking Myspace of Facebook.
'krabbels', translated is a bit like 'doodles' this means they send eachother short messages through Hyves i suppose.

How special is that Joran has been doodlying with a 60 yr old gay man for 2 years..Joran likes to have gay friends around him I guess..Even on the internet 

[wreck]

Contact through  CRABBLES....

Joran and Martin got in contact through Hyves, this is something like the social networking Myspace of Facebook.
'krabbels', translated is a bit like 'doodles' this means they send eachother short messages through Hyves i suppose.

How special is that Joran has been doodlying with a 60 yr old gay man for 2 years..Joran likes to have gay friends around him I guess..Even on the internet 

The "gay" angle repeatedly finds its way in this story consistently. I have no doubt Joran plays for the "other team."

[texasmom]

Playing these numbers in lotteries brings fortune, Gamblers who are, on a losing streak should wash their hands thoroughly, remove the underwear and put it on backwards to turn the tide.

Uhhhhhh......... I hope they are washing their hands AFTER changing their underwear.

[klaasend]

In the thread at RU about Mart and Joran taking money from him, Luvslalom wrote:

If you are saying that I'm conjuring up in my mind, I do wonder what was on Medleys mind when she paid Joran's airfare home from NL in 2006, a birthday gift, b/c Anita and Paulus couldn't afford to fly Joran home. Check with her. If she was that easy then, she may have been now again, who knows.
Mart and Joran?

I didn't realize Medley was that stupid  

[klaasend]

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