Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[sandy leiva]

http://solodipueblo.com/

Klass same paper 2nd page found article that says College arubiano photos cerculated via cell phone of aruban woman female in 11 different poses done without her permission.  aparently the photos were so they claim retouched to show the female with larger breast than she has.  They are saying it was a joke in poor taste, however the female didint think it was funny and now these photos have been circulated via cell phones all over the island.  Article goies to say someones resignation is up at the school I dont knoe if this means it was a school official who circulated this or not.

sorry couldnot bring article over ots on page 2
looks like theyre up to the same old crap on this misbegotton isle.
No respect for anyone at all. 

[texasmom]

  Thanks for the information sandy, yes...same old sick crap and no respect for women especially. 

[sandy leiva]

"Your own Father" I believe is one of the biggest clues in this case besides the Supreme Court ruling that he had two contact with Natalee and picked her and joran both up at 4AM. I think it has been obvious that the 10 year old lil bro was not home and Paul VDS was drinking alcohol,gambling and sitting next to Natalee Holloway when he claimed to leave 2 hours earlier. I don't know how the Zeola's and others can live with themselves giving false alibi's for killers of a murdered teen. No reason to lie about meeting Natalee twice,sitting next to her at the casino,picking her and joran up at 4am and going to the bank the next day if he was not directly involved in the events before,during and after her dissapearance.

The casino screen shots resolution is just fine. What is not fine is the deliberate act of concealing Paul Van De Sloots identity by blocking out his face. The initial crime of what they did to Natalee was premeditated and Paul Van Der Sloot is most definetly involved.

Why lie about sitting next to Natalee Holloway and having the need to create a false alibi if she dissapeared 5 hours later?





http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2577.0

From this top view he looks like he is really Valentijn.  Could be.  They lie so much.  Who would know?  It looked like Valentijn coming in the fron door as well.  If they would let Joran in, they certainly would let Valentijn in.  The casino is being reckless and does not want the authorities in other places to know they are allowing very young people in their place. I guess Joran and Val could have switched places earlier or later.       jackb

http://solodipueblo.com/

Klass same paper 2nd page found article that says College arubiano photos cerculated via cell phone of aruban woman female in 11 different poses done without her permission.  aparently the photos were so they claim retouched to show the female with larger breast than she has.  They are saying it was a joke in poor taste, however the female didint think it was funny and now these photos have been circulated via cell phones all over the island.  Article goies to say someones resignation is up at the school I dont knoe if this means it was a school official who circulated this or not.

sorry couldnot bring article over ots on page 2
looks like theyre up to the same old crap on this misbegotton isle.
No respect for anyone at all. 

page 7

Paul retira di klachtencommissie y comision LAR   E-mail 
Friday, 08 February 2008 
EXCLUSIVO DI SOLO DI PUEBLO:
Gobierno a cuminza tuma medida contra Paul 
Paul van der Sloot saca for di Klachtencommissie y comision di LAR
2008-02-08   00:20:23  STA. CRUZ – Na nos mesa di redaccion a yega  e informacion cu abogado Paul van der Sloot a keda  expulsa for di dos comision ya cu e hecho cu el’a pasa su yiu un cellular den KIA ta algo  imperdonabel y castigabel. Minister di Husticia ta lamenta locual a pasa pero ta actua segun ley ya cu no t’asina cu bo ta duna bo yiu un trato preferencial pero un trato castigabel pa ley! Y esaki pasobra bo ta kere bo ta un abogado anto Hulandes!   
 
  translation:
Gevernment continues to take measures against PVDS
we learn Paulus van der sloot is for 2 comissioned crimes that he partook in when he passed a sell phone to his son wheile in the KIA prison. It has been deemed to be punishable by law and unpardonable. the minister of justice laments what has occured but states he must follow the law.  Also giving his son preferential treatment is punishable by law.  He remarks maybe he will want to hire a lawyer from holland to defend him or to go up against a lawyer in holland in this case.  Not sure if the last sentince translation.

[Blonde]

Did T.J. see the uncovered one.  I have pics that would blow your mind Rob. I have never posted from pictures the perps group tried to pass off as ordinary pictures.  It is strange.    Hope that T.J. and crew saw the ones I sent Admin here and it helps the family.   Jackb

Jack -
I can't say whether he saw those or not. I could forward them, but I don't think he really needs to see them. I think he has his own info and knows in his heart what is what.

I, along with everyone else would love to see the images you have referred. I bet Carpe would love to see those. He's the resident Hubbletelescope ya know This guy has an eye, actually he has two 

The best thing to do is to just post 'em and let it fly. I really doubt anyone's feeling will be hurt and I hope that if you have something you'll share it with the rest of us who have given so much time to see this through.

Rob, I can't do that because some of them are graphic and I cannot have the family see those as it is hurtful.  I have no way of knowing if they would do anything but hurt the family, but in the right hands they could show the visciousness of those perpetrators and to a certainty of her death.  I have sent some to Debbie at BFN a long time ago and the Admin her in hopes they have reached the authorities and they can take them even further and find the truth.  I have not dealth directly with any, but one picture (the cross picked up by the F-16s) with Dave a the beginning of the case or when the F15s were doing their fly over.  I say some tiny pictures they took on here and spotted the cross and worked it to where I could read the lettering on it.  I contacted Dave on that, but that and the uncovering of Pvs face is all I have allowed to go out.  In the beginning of the case  I spotted the cloth were ALE was carrying and worked it to where it could be seen from the original picture and kept it awhile and let someone have it and it latter has been shown on the I-net, here BFN and everywhere.  The original picture on the I-net blanked out the picture and I thought something needed to be showing in those areas and did some adjustments to lighting, and resizing, and soon with everything I did, it payed off.  Just wanted you to know it has been a long road trying to get information out without looking too foolish and above all not hurting that family.  I have had some earlier concern about hackers because whomever is responsible for the "makeovers" no doubt knows a lot about computers.  Anyway, I just felt like yaking.  Sorry, Jack B.

This coss Jack

[briany]

Beth know the truth.  In all probability the Mountain Brook students confirmed that to her the Paulus was at the black jack table with them on the evening of May 29, 2005.  Think about it ... Beth's words to Rita Cosby regarding a Paulus/Natalee encounter occurred six months prior to the casino video recording revealing Natalee conversing with an "older" man.

I wonder if Steve Cohen ever got back to Rita Cosby with his take on the video recording.

Janet

+++++++++++
 
THE MAN IN THE CASINO VIDEO

Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006

DANA: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

JOSSY: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)


Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


John Q. Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY … John, first of all, is there a possibility that Paulus might have been talking to Natalee the night that she disappeared?
 
JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.

COSBY: And did he ever say that he had talked to Natalee or not before?

KELLY: No, it’s never even been addressed before whether or not that’s Paulus in the videotape there sitting next to her. And it certainly appears to be to me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Kimberly Guilfoyle
THE LINEUP
June 9, 2006

GUILFOYLE: .... As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.


Steve Cohen
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 4, 2006

COSBY: You know, Steve, have you heard these claims that, in this video—there’s this surveillance video that we saw in the casino that was showed a while back—that Paulus Van Der Sloot may be in the casino actually even talking to Natalee. And what we just heard from John, it doesn’t sound like that was asked of him before, if he actually even engaged in some conversation with her that night.

COHEN: I have to say that, unfortunately, I have not had a chance to view that tape. I’ve been in transit in the last 24 hours. Once I get a look at it, I think I’ll be able to give you a better comment.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

According a poster in Holland Joran's mother was with two childrens in Holland to visit her mother.

Is it a fact that there were 3 VanderSloot tickets?

[Buckeye]

briany

"Fact" might be a stretch.  During the early discussions, Widget seemed to have an inside connection at KLM.  I believe the three ticket story/fact.  I have no idea who two of the tickets belonged to.  I do know early posts talked of friends of the Sloot's, from Holland.
Sorry I can't be more help.   

[Buckeye]

Nothing new but a review of a Hammer review:

Quote from: "the big hammer"
Deepak's "ALIBI" e-mail NAILS IT !!

This is real close, real close.  The attribution is the only question, ie, that this could have been told to deepak afterwards BUT WOW! 

1.  FROM DEEPAK ALIBI E-MAIL

"...afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there..."

2.  FROM SATISH JUNE 13 STATEMENT

"...My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach..."

"How's she doing?"  The correct answer is: "She's on a plane back to the US and it was wheels up about 2-3 hours ago, where've you been?  Asleep?"

They knew it was her last nite.  She was supposed to be on a plane -- but deepak (and Satish?) seems to know she's not.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=378.msg53409#msg53409


hmmmmmm

[briany]

Nothing new but a review of a Hammer review:

Quote from: "the big hammer"
Deepak's "ALIBI" e-mail NAILS IT !!

This is real close, real close.  The attribution is the only question, ie, that this could have been told to deepak afterwards BUT WOW! 

1.  FROM DEEPAK ALIBI E-MAIL

"...afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there..."

2.  FROM SATISH JUNE 13 STATEMENT

"...My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach..."

"How's she doing?"  The correct answer is: "She's on a plane back to the US and it was wheels up about 2-3 hours ago, where've you been?  Asleep?"

They knew it was her last nite.  She was supposed to be on a plane -- but deepak (and Satish?) seems to know she's not.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=378.msg53409#msg53409


hmmmmmm

He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach.

Was that the "urgent" phonecall.

About shoes in the middle of the night?

[johan555]

The 'higher power'

Joran has it in his first statement before Patrick on a "higher power" that has helped him. This' higher power 'is in my view imagery for his father. Both literally and figuratively, Paul van der Sloot the higher power and much better able to cool and calculating Joran to tell exactly what needs to be done to address the consequences for Joran to limit. In addition, he served as upcoming court (?) Obviously a good look at the legal aspects and the possible consequences. That his son blame for the death of Natalee for Paul van der Sloot the major motive. It is not inconceivable that not Joran, but Paul eea in a short timeframe has put in the pipeline, and at the direction of Joran on the PC via MSN Joran had to know "to be back home" to Joran's friends. In those few words for the receiving party not to detect Joran actually behind the PC. Idem for downloading these movies. This conversation between father and son Paul Joran may very well through the pay telephone on the beach have been made, it is the "friend" that Joran has called his father, the higher power. After the PC use of Paul who veinsde Joran to be both now have many hours the time for the corpse of Natalee way to work, the alibi's are around.

It is also not very likely that a 'friend' it takes a corpse way to work, it's quite a heavy burden on someone's shoulders. In addition, Joran quite a risk to a "friend" in confidence to take the same money to take this friend equal contact with the police. It also seems unlikely that Joran at his age already has built up sufficient credit in the criminal environment allowing someone else in the same leeftijdcategorie him to take such a risk. He expresses himself against this, in his first statement he has' t namely about a friend who 'much older' is, usually is not someone of 22, seen 't that Joran himself when was 17, there is a much older someone, for example, his father, many plausible.

In short, it's quite possible that Paul Joran van der Sloot in word and deed has assisted. Parents are much more likely to compete in the most bizarre turns to wring their children to be able to protect, it's often based on intuitive act. It is not inconceivable that Joran and his father with the corpse of Natalee to another part of the island are ready to get rid of the corpse. Perhaps there is another soil, eg earth instead. sand, making the dirt on Joran's sparkling white sneakers obviously not consistent with the fact that he has walked home. So the sneakers were an important piece of evidence that argues against the statement that Joran on its own to house it.

[Buckeye]

I have no doubts regarding Paulus's culpability.

What had happened to Natalee, that both the Kalpoes assumed she did not make her plane?  Why would Satish ask Deepak how "the girl" is?....why even be concerned, if it was a simple drop off at "the beach".  They both know something bad happened and they both know what it is.  They may or may not know the final outcome....but they know it was FINAL for Natalee.  What happened?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Everytime I see those casino pictures I am reminded of a few things -

IIRC, the pictures

What value would those pictures were blurred to protect the innocents in those photos along with the MB group and Joran.

Jug in an interview repeated an event from the first night at the Sloot compound.  Beth said something like "that's him" to which Jug replied, "that's a 45 year old man"   I believe she recognized him as someone in the videos along with the MB group and Joran.

Can anyone see what cards are being played?  What is the value of any recordings from inside a casino if you can't see the detail of what is being done on the gambling tables?  Why take a picture if it is not clear?  I believe there are clear recordings available.

How would you prove anyone is cheating or who was there cheating?

[WhiskeyGirl]

If Sunday night wasn't a happening night at C&C, was it considered a happening night at the casino?

What happened to all those father and son combos Joran reports meeting at the casino?  Are there recordings of the fathers and sons leaving together?

Perhaps the fathers left the son's in the casino and went elsewhere as a group?

It has always seemed odd to me that JVDS/PVDS would me all those father and son combos on a Sunday night in the casino.  Fate?  Habit?

Where were those father and son combos for the following 48 hours?

[Tamikosmom]

According a poster in Holland Joran's mother was with two childrens in Holland to visit her mother.

Is it a fact that there were 3 VanderSloot tickets?

briany ... are you able to provide a source other that "a poster from Holland" to substantiate the claim that Valentjin and Sabastian were in the Netherlands with Anita and ... three VDS' were on the return flight to Aruba.

I am not saying Valentjin and Sabastian were not in Holland with their mother but ... my research has never reveal any backup regarding this issue.

Think about it ... there are just too many sources who/that could inadvertently expose Paulus and Joran's lies regarding Valentjin and Sabastian being in Aruba while Anita was in Holland.  There is family members in Holland ... members of the Zeola family .... classmates at the school ... bus driver ... airline records ... airline employees ...
 
IMO

Janet

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VALENTJIN AND SEBASTIAN VAN DER SLOOT

Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home.  My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go.


Paulus Van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period. He was busy with his final exams and sometimes he stayed home.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question whether Sebastian and Valentijn went to school that Monday, I can state the following. Yes, they got onto the bus and went to school because in the period that Anita was away they took the bus every day.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At approximately 16.30, I got home and the kids were already home. Because my wife was in the Netherlands I wanted to be home when the kids came home from school.


Paulus van der Sloot
Witness Statement
June 18, 2005

At some point during the night I was awoken by the barking of the dogs. My son Valentijn came to me and asked me what was happening. There were a lot of people at the door and there was also a police-patrol.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 23, 2005

To your question how it then is possible that I had not seen Joran
get onto the bus, I can state the following.  Of course I see the children get onto the bus and that also is true for Joran. But unlike Valentijn and Sebastian who went with the bus everyday Joran didn't go with the bus once or twice during that period.


Paulus van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 25, 2005

We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled (expressed concern) on Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family.


Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother.


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT

Anita van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl ...


Anita van der Sloot
Pauw and Witteman
January 11, 2008    
 
(translated from Dutch)

Anita: ... Those doubts were there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old.  I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her.  By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?

[caesu]

an example that the dutch parliament can do something.

http://www.nu.nl/news/1543331/11/%27Onbehoorlijk_bestuur_op_Cura%E7ao%27.html

a majority parliament named the governance on Curaçao not good.
this refers to article 43 of the kingdom charter.

Article 43
1. Each of the Countries shall promote the realization of fundamental human rights
and freedoms, legal certainty and good governance.

this is because of the ISLA oil refinery on Curaçao.
the refinery causes environmental problems.
causes 18 deaths each year and hundreds have health problems on Curaçao.

yesterday Hero Brinkman proposed three motions about the Antilles.
they al got voted away.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_41748.php

1. called for enquiry into the prison system
2. callled for suspension of the kingdom reforms and payment of 2.2 billion euros due to the corruption and lack of good governance.
3. called to stop all payments to the Antilles because it is a corrupt gangsters nest, no good governance, nepotism.
but because the Netherlands is addicted to send money to the Antilles in the future only send money with strict precondition on corruption and sound governance.

maybe this article appears in English here:
http://www.amigoe.com/english/

[Tamikosmom]

If security video cameras at black jack table at the Excelsior Casino appear to capture either Valentjin or Paulus ... there should be no guessing involved.  The Mountain Brook students who were with Natalee have already confirmed or denied.

In September, 2005 ... six months prior to the casino security video revelation ... Beth knew that there had been a Paulus/Natalee encounter.

I suspect that the silence encompassing this issue has everything to do with the protection of the Mountain Brook students who could blow the lid right off of this corrupt investigation.  Think about it ... the "powers that be" in Aruba have the entire casino security video ... they know.

Be warned Aruba ... Beth Holloway still has 37 of 40 years left in her pledge to be a voice for her daughter ... a voice that will not be silenced!!

Janet

+++++++++++++

THE MAN IN THE CASINO VIDEO

Beth Twitty
Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/


private eye
Scared Monkey

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #249 on: April 07, 2008, 01:34:33 AM »

hello janet and *******. i have had the pleasure of my youngest daughter so I have been distracted but I have tried to keep up. it is quiet now, but I haven't heard the fat lady sing yet, and I apologize beth for that phrase, but slim as you are, you are the fat lady in this production. i don't know what, but i would bet my life that beth is working on some big publicity event for aruba that will spotlight their true colors. so have faith, and stay tune:)))) i am wore out from waiting on my grown independent child and am going to be. I thought about having an emancipation party for my daughter as I don't think she realizes she is grown and independent now. or somebody told her the age of emancipation was 30 and not 21, or 18:) but i love it:)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg371692;topicseen#msg371692

[San]

I have no doubts regarding Paulus's culpability.

What had happened to Natalee, that both the Kalpoes assumed she did not make her plane?  Why would Satish ask Deepak how "the girl" is?....why even be concerned, if it was a simple drop off at "the beach".  They both know something bad happened and they both know what it is.  They may or may not know the final outcome....but they know it was FINAL for Natalee.  What happened?

I agree Buckeye.  The both Kalpoes know exactly what happened to Natalee.  In my opinion they were present when Joran beat her.  Why would they say Joran was crazy when they were in the car.  If my memory serves me right one of the Kalpoes were getting upset.  It leaves me to believe Natalee was fighting as soon as she got in that car and saw she was going in the wrong direction.  She was helpless.

[Buckeye]

Flight discussion:

Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 Rolling Eyes
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.msg171129#msg171129

[San]

Flight discussion:

Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 Rolling Eyes
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.msg171129#msg171129

Yes I remember this and I always believed Widget.

[texasmom]

Flight discussion:

Quote from: "wreck"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "justinsmama"
Widget~ Hey! Can you clarify exactly what info you gleaned about Anita's flight back to Aruba in June 2005?


Hey Justins .......

3 Vander Sloots Landed In Aruba On June 1st .................

 Rolling Eyes
 You got actual confirmation that it was 3 vds?


Yes And I Also Heard It Was Passed On To The FBI

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1173.msg171129#msg171129

Yes I remember this and I always believed Widget.

Me too San, and I also believe Anidac.  Was Valentijn ever questioned?

More on this from the archives:
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 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Lively Case Discussion #515 8/21 - 8/24/2006  on: August 23, 2006, 11:19:51 PM 
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Just like Karr can be shown to be a lier if proof can be found he was home on Dec 25th, PVDS could be shown to be a lier if proof could be found that the munchkins were in Holland with momma.


Good point Carnut!


Just butting in to shore my 2 cents here....  Prior to 9/11 one could find passanger lists online.  Those days are gone.

Widget claims he was able to and that Anita and 2 other Sloots returned on June 2nd, or was it June 1st.  Anyway..that's what he said.


Now that you mention it I believe I had some luck finding partial information back when we where looking for flight schedules but if my memory serves me correctly I was only able to find ticket numbers without names.


Oops assigned seats where also included.

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Nothing new but a review of a Hammer review:

Quote from: "the big hammer"
Deepak's "ALIBI" e-mail NAILS IT !!

This is real close, real close.  The attribution is the only question, ie, that this could have been told to deepak afterwards BUT WOW! 

1.  FROM DEEPAK ALIBI E-MAIL

"...afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there..."

2.  FROM SATISH JUNE 13 STATEMENT

"...My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach..."

"How's she doing?"  The correct answer is: "She's on a plane back to the US and it was wheels up about 2-3 hours ago, where've you been?  Asleep?"

They knew it was her last nite.  She was supposed to be on a plane -- but deepak (and Satish?) seems to know she's not.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=378.msg53409#msg53409


hmmmmmm

Thanks Buckeye!  I miss Hammer.

Not asking anyone in particulare.
Why would sk even ask how is the girl ? Why not, if anything, how did she get back to the hotel?
2k were there when Natalee got hurt. sk left early to go online to start the "alibi"