Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[WhiskeyGirl]

This may have already been spoken, but it sounds as if Joran is the real father and Melody has told someone else that he, not Joran, is the father.

I was thinking along the lines of "lying witness" - if JVDS mouth keeps going.

Maybe the evidence connecting J2K and others is gone.

Is it possible that someone is looking into the witness statements from those supporting various pieces of the stories?

If you can't pin something on the usual suspects, maybe there are a few lying witnesses left on Aruba?

[Buckeye]

Maybe she's going to mention they really didn't use a condom.

I remember a post of hers saying Natalee was fine and pregnant.  At the time, some of us felt Anita was at the keyboard.  Wonder if someone told her to make sure and get that part into the interview.   

[Observer]

CoSIR - Committee of Sexual Informational Revolution
 
44 Paul van der Sloot
61 Joran van der Sloot
57 Scuba Jap
36 Hillary Clinton
89 Melody Granadillo
35 Paris Hilton

http://wiki.mudaism.info/cosir

[Tamikosmom]

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"He was in fact very loving with his girlfriends." Joran always had many girls around him but the contact was frequently only friendly, she says. "They went with each other as a brother and sister".Paul wants to show Joran's room. However, friends, both girls and boys, could always spend the night he says as he crosses the garden to the outbuilding. Since he was 15 Joran had here, beside the swimming pool and at a reasonable distance of the parental house, his own bedroom and bathroom. Paul opens the door carefully. "Look, here four or five slept during the sleepovers. It was always completely normal. (Joran was already having sex with girls from age 14)

Typical Joran, says Aruban Melody Granadillo (19). The girl with long dark brown rolling curls is his ex-girlfriend. In their eight month long relationship they always used condoms. "He is completely clear on this." The Dutchman was her first love. For months on end they spent every day with each other. Taking a mouthful of ice, she gestures to the green Wilhelminapark bordering the sea. There they could sit interminably and talk. I know him better than he knows himself. Joran is playful, in his heart a child. A possible murderer? No, that never. Joran is often misunderstood, she observes. Take his openness: "people take it as flirting." His friends also found him arrogant. That is not him according to her. He is only self-assured. Walks straight up, head high. Eventually Melody broke the relationship because Joran was unfaithful.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~dugo/dy.html

Thank you *******

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

IIRC ... way back there were pictures of Joran and friends with a baby girl ... about a year old.  Does anybody remember?

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

We are in agreement.  I was merely pointing out that brown is dominant and if Melody had no one in her family tree that carried a gene for blond/blue eyes, then the likelyhood that her child would have blond/blue eyes was slim to none.  I was not saying that the child would not resemble the father....My older son went to school with a girl whose parents met in a school for the deaf.  They both were born in Russia, but both had mixed background, including Japanese on both sides....  The father was more fair than the mother....their youngest was blonde and blue eyed.   

Not understanding genetics ... this is what hubby and I thought.  We automatically thought that the dark genes would be dominant in all our grandchildren.  Surprise!  Surprise!

Is Aruban a separate race or ... is it a mixture of different races?  What is the origin?

Janet

++++++++++

Julia Renfro
CNN
June 15, 2005

Renfro, a white American who has lived in Aruba for 15 years and is the mother of biracial children, said racial profiling does not have the same foothold on the island nation that it does in the United States.

"Aruba's colorblind," she said of the nation heavily dependent on the tourism industry.

"Interracial ... is not a word we would use here," she continued. "It doesn't exist. Most of the marriages are mixed. All of the children are mixed. Nobody can say I'm black, I'm white."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/15/aruba.arrests/index.html

are arubans a seperate race or mixed race?

Aruban natives are decendants of carib and arucian indian tribes of the americas.  Arucian are better known in US as arawak tribes.  There are some with Spanish influence from spanairds as well as mixtures of blacks brought over during the spaniards riegn when they imported slaves to work on the island.  Spaniards dominated by {it is said} raping the women after killing off the native men and producing offspring in colonial times.  Later on in history The dutch came along as well as some french and other south americans including neighboring venezuelans.  that is why many islanders have the classification besides white, black or hispanic in origin. Hawaiians, philipinos, puerto ricans,people of guam american samoa , cuba and all hispanic islands of the caribean share this special catagory. Im sure there are more that i left out, but that is as much as I remember .

Thank you sandy.

Janet

[dennisintn]

Janet,

We are in agreement.  I was merely pointing out that brown is dominant and if Melody had no one in her family tree that carried a gene for blond/blue eyes, then the likelyhood that her child would have blond/blue eyes was slim to none.  I was not saying that the child would not resemble the father....My older son went to school with a girl whose parents met in a school for the deaf.  They both were born in Russia, but both had mixed background, including Japanese on both sides....  The father was more fair than the mother....their youngest was blonde and blue eyed.   

Not understanding genetics ... this is what hubby and I thought.  We automatically thought that the dark genes would be dominant in all our grandchildren.  Surprise!  Surprise!

Is Aruban a separate race or ... is it a mixture of different races?  What is the origin?

Janet

++++++++++

Julia Renfro
CNN
June 15, 2005

Renfro, a white American who has lived in Aruba for 15 years and is the mother of biracial children, said racial profiling does not have the same foothold on the island nation that it does in the United States.

"Aruba's colorblind," she said of the nation heavily dependent on the tourism industry.

"Interracial ... is not a word we would use here," she continued. "It doesn't exist. Most of the marriages are mixed. All of the children are mixed. Nobody can say I'm black, I'm white."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/americas/06/15/aruba.arrests/index.html

are arubans a seperate race or mixed race?

Aruban natives are decendants of carib and arucian indian tribes of the americas.  Arucian are better known in US as arawak tribes.  There are some with Spanish influence from spanairds as well as mixtures of blacks brought over during the spaniards riegn when they imported slaves to work on the island.  Spaniards dominated by {it is said} raping the women after killing off the native men and producing offspring in colonial times.  Later on in history The dutch came along as well as some french and other south americans including neighboring venezuelans.  that is why many islanders have the classification besides white, black or hispanic in origin. Hawaiians, philipinos, puerto ricans,people of guam american samoa , cuba and all hispanic islands of the caribean share this special catagory. Im sure there are more that i left out, but that is as much as I remember .
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 lol, that was enough to make my head spin.  but after reading renfro's stock spiel about there being no racial tensions on the happy island, and then reading the jvds version in his book, it makes me wonder if they actually lived on the same island, or one or both of them totally oblivious of the truth. 
dennisintn

[Dayhiker]

If the post we've been discussing is indeed Melody writing about Joran, then it sounds as if she's had the first lesson in her young life about how untrustworthy people can sometimes turn out to be. It's a difficult lesson to learn, and I agree with others. Now that she knows, she needs to take action. If nothing else, it will make her feel a lot better. 

IF this is Melody or another former girlfriend of Joran...it could also be a warning towards Joran....she knows he will hear about this....and he will probably be freaked out about something.

Hello GBMW! I hope he tries to call her and they have his phone tapped.

[Tamikosmom]

would the child be Joran's and Melody's and Melody has covered that up and allowed someone else to believe that they are the father of Melody's baby?

found this post on that site Carpe posted:

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hi I AM NEW ; this is me. at 9/22/2007 8:16 PM CDT

hello everyone, i've been reading up on what you guys have been posting and really felt like joining.

so thought i'd introduce myself ( feel like venting as well so pardon me for this way-too-long post ): my name is Melody, first time mom, 20 years old.living on aruba

my baby is 5 months old and is by far the best thing to ever happen to me.

unlike other young moms my baby was planned. why? well we ( me and my boyfriend) felt ready for it. financially we knew we could make it, eventhough we would have to cut corners in the beginning.

i thought '' even if i have to struggle i WANT a baby and even if it was to be alot of work it sure will be worth it '' the love was definitely there even before she was conceived. we were ready to start our family. we had dreams, so many dreams, and one by one they started to come true : i got pregnant, we moved in together, he bought a car, my dad gave us a piece of land .... we wanted to be succesfull, i mean being young we knew we had time to work hard towards it.

at the moment our financial situation is wobbly (my boyfriend's dad lost his company. and with it he lost his job too)  he started working elsewhere ( earning a third of his prior paycheck) but now is at home for 3 weeks with no pay because he broke his arm playing paintball.

i got my dream job working at a bank. i always wanted to be an office woman with a desk of my own . but deep down i still ache to stay at home all the time with my baby girl.

we don't have alot of bills to pay because the house we are living in is his grandma's who is living elsewhere so all we got to pay is the electricity bill. the only other bill is his carloan. followed by the usual groceries for us and the baby. but being the big budgetter that i am i have faith that we will manage this month.

so being succesfull was easier to achieve when he was to take over the company, but we're definitely not giving up.

especially not now that we have a little princess to keep happy.

the current dream-list :

-to build a house on our land

- to own a business

-to get married when financially we can afford a dream-wedding

that's it , i know i'm quite the dreamer, but i'm a trooper also and believe that with hard work and pixiedust you can achieve anything

right or wrong?

well now, thank you so much if you read all of this, i truely appreciate it. nice to meet you also.

good day *       ***(go to the following link and see if this is Melody)
http://sitelife.parents.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/8/bcac3d8c-7666-4b00-a8a5-fd46397a0147.Medium.jpg
 

The date of this post implies that the baby was born a long while  after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet

[WhiskeyGirl]

I also wonder if this latest post was intended to create discussion and misdirection. 

The third year of Natalee's disappearance is coming to a close.  No one charged, no one convicted, and no one in sight.  mo   

What a way to build up false hope among those that would like to see Natalee returned home.  Lead the masses into thinking that something is really going to happen in this case...

Why post in a public place?  Why not quietly go to ALE?  FBI?  KLPD?  Peter D.?

[Dayhiker]

I wonder if the friends and acquaintances of J2K and other case related people are being targeted on Aruba?

Maybe people are starting to think "enough of the B.S. already"...

You summed up my my thoughts exactly, Whiskeygirl. Maybe he has pissed off some of those who had been protecting him and they are ready to rat him out. This Melody, if it is her, will do for starters.

Look at it this way, Joran has wrecked Aruba's reputation and put a serious hurt on their economy. Cost them countless millions and loss of jobs.

And what does Joran do? He flees the island to Holland leaving the Arubans to deal with all the trouble he's caused. I'd be highly pissed off if I were them.

[Dayhiker]

I also wonder if this latest post was intended to create discussion and misdirection. 

The third year of Natalee's disappearance is coming to a close.  No one charged, no one convicted, and no one in sight.  mo   

What a way to build up false hope among those that would like to see Natalee returned home.  Lead the masses into thinking that something is really going to happen in this case...

Why post in a public place?  Why not quietly go to ALE?  FBI?  KLPD?  Peter D.?

If it is a ruse it's ill conceived. Why bring more attention to their eyesore of a problem known as Joran van der Sloot? Makes me think there might be something to the post. If it were a Joran lover they would have kept their mouth shut.

I don't think the people who back Joran want us to have hope. They would prefer us lose faith and shrink away, very similar to what the Aruban government hoped Beth would do. Ain't gonna happen!

[Tamikosmom]

I vote Melody.

Link to chapter from his book:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1117.msg153794

Thank you Buckeye

I cannot believe that Joran was not detained and tried on his words in this book.  It is so incriminating.  Obviously ... he is aware that he cannot be touched and ... is flaunting this assurance.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Is this for real??




he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Posted by: ToBeRevealed | Friday, April 25, 2008 at 11:25 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/01/natalee-hollowa.html?cid=112375474#comment-112375474

 

I am suspicious of this post.  It is implying while really saying nothing.

Maybe it is meant as a distraction.

 

Janet

[Dayhiker]

If Melody can be trusted...then she could very well be the person that can break an alibi that has held up to this point...she could be the hero or the goat...all remains to be seen.

Howdy Lalas! If she has testimony that could land Joran in prison I speculate she would receive some reward money, maybe not the whole kaboodle, but enough to make it worth her while. All depends on what she knows and how explosive it is.

BTW, hopefully Peter has already gotten wind of this and is tracking it down.

[dennisintn]

If the post we've been discussing is indeed Melody writing about Joran, then it sounds as if she's had the first lesson in her young life about how untrustworthy people can sometimes turn out to be. It's a difficult lesson to learn, and I agree with others. Now that she knows, she needs to take action. If nothing else, it will make her feel a lot better. 

IF this is Melody or another former girlfriend of Joran...it could also be a warning towards Joran....she knows he will hear about this....and he will probably be freaked out about something.

Hello GBMW! I hope he tries to call her and they have his phone tapped.

i realize that i just don't understand the aruban conception of dutch law, but i thought his new status as unofficial suspect did away with the ability to bug phones, houses, computers and all that kind of stuff including physical surveillance. 
dennisintn

[Dayhiker]

If the post we've been discussing is indeed Melody writing about Joran, then it sounds as if she's had the first lesson in her young life about how untrustworthy people can sometimes turn out to be. It's a difficult lesson to learn, and I agree with others. Now that she knows, she needs to take action. If nothing else, it will make her feel a lot better. 

IF this is Melody or another former girlfriend of Joran...it could also be a warning towards Joran....she knows he will hear about this....and he will probably be freaked out about something.

Hello GBMW! I hope he tries to call her and they have his phone tapped.

i realize that i just don't understand the aruban conception of dutch law, but i thought his new status as unofficial suspect did away with the ability to bug phones, houses, computers and all that kind of stuff including physical surveillance. 
dennisintn

If so it seems backasswards to me, Dennis.  I can't make sense of it either, but I do I think he has been re-named a suspect after the confession.

[WhiskeyGirl]

IIRC ... way back there were pictures of Joran and friends with a baby girl ... about a year old.  Does anybody remember?

Janet

I don't remember a baby girl, but I do remember a picture of a baby with some kind of caption like "little pimp". 

Do you think Freddy was in the picture?

[Tamikosmom]

IIRC ... way back there were pictures of Joran and friends with a baby girl ... about a year old.  Does anybody remember?

Janet

I don't remember a baby girl, but I do remember a picture of a baby with some kind of caption like "little pimp". 

Do you think Freddy was in the picture?

I do not specifically remember if Freddy was included but ... IIRC correctly ... it was a website with pictures of Joran and friends and ... this really cute little girl/baby was in several of the pictures.

It appears that Melody's baby was not born until 2007 ... so I do not thing the little girl belongs to her.

Janet



 

[dennisintn]

i realize that i just don't understand the aruban conception of dutch law, but i thought his new status as unofficial suspect did away with the ability to bug phones, houses, computers and all that kind of stuff including physical surveillance. 
dennisintn
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If so it seems backasswards to me, Dennis.  I can't make sense of it either, but I do I think he has been re-named a suspect after the confession.
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he was re-named a suspect but seems like there are different levels that apply.
dennisintn