Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[dennisintn]

Briany...from Paulus' 6/18/2005 PV.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds618.htm



 I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...

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...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of  “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.

You ask me whether I told the boys that they would be taped. I did say that, but only because I suspected that, and a little bit as a joke. Not because I knew there were being taped.

the truth that freddy told was that jvds had told him that he had left natalee on the beach.  what jvds told freddy was a lie, but what freddy told the police was true.  confusing, isn't it?
dennisintn

[Rob]

I fixed it 

[Observer]

The eyebrow gang  Your missing Max Arends in there 

[briany]

The eyebrow gang  Your missing Max Arends in there 

Hi *******,

Do you think the Kalpoe brothers know more than having dropped Joran and Natalee of somewere?

They wrote they drove very often tourists to the hotel. Probably that's how the eldest brother paid his car.

I find it hard to believe that the Kalpoe brothers had sex with Natalee. 

Are there any interviews with the Kalpoe brothers themselves?

[Nut44x4]

 

OMG ROB........now they look like that Mom at the FLDS Compound!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Gross.

[dennisintn]

The eyebrow gang  Your missing Max Arends in there 

Hi *******,

Do you think the Kalpoe brothers know more than having dropped Joran and Natalee of somewere?

They wrote they drove very often tourists to the hotel. Probably that's how the eldest brother paid his car.

I find it hard to believe that the Kalpoe brothers had sex with Natalee. 

Are there any interviews with the Kalpoe brothers themselves?

they may have attacked and raped her along with jvds, but none of the three of them had "sex" with her.  rape is not "having sex", "making love" or anything else but the commission of a violent attack.
dennisintn

[Observer]

The eyebrow gang  Your missing Max Arends in there 

Hi *******,

Do you think the Kalpoe brothers know more than having dropped Joran and Natalee of somewere?

They wrote they drove very often tourists to the hotel. Probably that's how the eldest brother paid his car.

I find it hard to believe that the Kalpoe brothers had sex with Natalee. 

Are there any interviews with the Kalpoe brothers themselves?

Hello Briany! 

I definetly think the Kalpoes know more for many reasons and the Police car tapes and small clues in the PV'S told us that. Not positive if they had sex with Natalee but the Aruban Spokesperson said at least two of the boys had sex with her and then the report from AM digital newspaper on June 4th said all 3 did.

They went to that bar 30 minutes before closing,had one drink and knew exactly what the plan was that night. There are as many as 3 witnesses that say Natalee walked out 5-10 minutes later with Deepak out of that bar and not Joran. I believe this is true even though the info is a bit foggy. I still believe that she was offered a ride back to the hotel with JK2 but was feeling strange and knew it was a bad idea so she went back to the bar. Only to be escorted out by two of the suspects holding her arm as she could barely walk.

[dennisintn]

I fixed it 

the marx brothers are back.  only this bunch is not funny.
dennisintn

[briany]

The eyebrow gang  Your missing Max Arends in there 

Hi *******,

Do you think the Kalpoe brothers know more than having dropped Joran and Natalee of somewere?

They wrote they drove very often tourists to the hotel. Probably that's how the eldest brother paid his car.

I find it hard to believe that the Kalpoe brothers had sex with Natalee. 

Are there any interviews with the Kalpoe brothers themselves?

Hello Briany! 

I definetly think the Kalpoes know more for many reasons and the Police car tapes and small clues in the PV'S told us that. Not positive if they had sex with Natalee but the Aruban Spokesperson said at least two of the boys had sex with her and then the report from AM digital newspaper on June 4th said all 3 did.

They went to that bar 30 minutes before closing,had one drink and knew exactly what the plan was that night. There are as many as 3 witnesses that say Natalee walked out 5-10 minutes later with Deepak out of that bar and not Joran. I believe this is true even though the info is a bit foggy. I still believe that she was offered a ride back to the hotel with JK2 but was feeling strange and knew it was a bad idea so she went back to the bar. Only to be escorted out by two of the suspects holding her arm as she could barely walk.

but the Aruban Spokesperson said at least two of the boys had sex with her and then the report from AM digital newspaper on June 4th said all 3 did.

The Aruban spokesman? Were and when was this said then?
AM digital newspaper? Can we find that somewere?

Maybe Joran said she needs help to get to the car, we do not know *******. I have the impression a lot of effort is made in accusing the two brothers of raping etc. etc.
I only wrote this from the family and "spokesmen". Are there any other statements implying that the brothers used violence against Natalee?

By the way, I saw the tape with the whole familie VdS in the Interview at Pauw and Witteman on FOK today again.
Joran mother is suggesting that Natalee's family is not properly investigated. She also told that the mother of Natalee was there soooo early. After 24 hours already. 
She talked about Renee Gielen. Renee Gielen, she told, was making a documentary. 
So, Renee Gielen works for Mrs. VdS., but we already knew that.

http://hollowaycase.com/

PROCES – VERBAAL

We, Dennis Dominico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head agent and agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba, explain the following:

On June 20 2005, around 17:15, we interrogated and took a statement as a witness from the man called:

Andre Montival AOKI Dos SANTOS,

Also known as "Dre", born at Sao Paolo in Brazil, on October 15, 1986, a student at (Mon Plaisier college) and living in Palm Beach number XXX on Aruba.

I, JACOBS, put on record and sounds as follows, statement given in papiamento.

On your question if I know the men " Joran Van Der SLOOT "," Deepak KALPOE and Satish KALPOE”:
I answer you yes.

I’ve known Joran longer than Deepak and Satish. I know Joran already approximately six years. I know Satish already approximately two years and I know Deepak already approximately a year.

On your question if I on Sunday, May 29 2005, met Joran, Deepak and Satish, I answer you the following:

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran, I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold 'em" poker Tournament. Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "blackjack" and I continued playing poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game, I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the blackjack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students there, who were on holiday in Aruba. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play blackjack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with blackjack, because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group of girls who were playing blackjack with Joran walk by, and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening because they would like to meet him there. Joran told them not to worry, he would go.

Joran was together with father Paul and as you can read, the students were there too.

Why does pa VdS denies that he was in the casino at the same time Natalee was there?

[Kiwi]

I fixed it 

Fixed what?

[Observer]

The Aruban spokesman? Were and when was this said then?
AM digital newspaper? Can we find that somewere?

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Briany: Steve Cohen said that at least two of the boys said they had sex with her when he was on the Dr.Phil Show in front of millions..

June 4th 2005..AM Digital says the 3 young men had sex with Natalee before they dropped her off at the HI.

[briany]

The Aruban spokesman? Were and when was this said then?
AM digital newspaper? Can we find that somewere?

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Briany: Steve Cohen said that at least two of the boys said they had sex with her when he was on the Dr.Phil Show in front of millions..

June 4th 2005..AM Digital says the 3 young men had sex with Natalee before they dropped her off at the HI.

How does Steve Cohen know? Did the Kalpoe brothers told him this, are there any statements?
I found this.

More Predictions Not Commented on From Steve Cohen in the Natalee Holloway Investigation
 
Earlier this week, many in Aruba were upset over the comments that Steve Cohen had made on behalf of the Aruban prosecution, investigators, government and tourism industry. But why not comment on all the statements that were made? Also, I guess it was OK for Karen Janssen to make the “fireworks” comment. First we had the OM and defense not happy with statements Cohen.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) has called Steve Cohen, spokesperson of the Strategic Communications Task Force in the United States to account his statements in Dr. Phil’s show of last week. During the show in question, Cohen had declared that the OM is of the opinion that the three boys are guilty of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The OM had asked Cohen in a letter where he got the information from and called him to account the fact that he declared the three boys guilty.

Then the ATA and Briesen also disturbed about Cohen’s comments an put out a statement. 

ATA emphasized in a press release that ATA and Tourism-minister Edison Briesen (MEP) do not agree with the statements of Cohen on the details of the investigation and the guiltiness of the three suspects.

Cohen had already made such statements in Dr. Phil’s show that was recorded on January 10th, five days before Caribbean Hotel Association (CHA) conference. Cohen’s statements had been on the Task Force’s website for some time. Cohen had also added an elucidation on the same website. Both articles are meanwhile removed from arubatruth.com.

Of course the fact that Steve Cohen is a spokes person for the Strategic Communications Task Force and Arubatruth.com is the on-line communication vehicle for that group just makes it all the more puzzling why they would need to take down any article from the web site. How can there be a communication issue? They are the same entity? Maybe this is the lack of communication that Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty have been discussing for nearly eight months.

However, its not just the Dr. Phil show that Steven Cohen was making such comments and predictions. Sure the American public heard Steve Cohen’s comments regarding the guilt of the three suspects, but did they hear it from The BBC Caribbean?


Aruban authorities believe they are close to making a breakthrough in the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

Spokesman for the Aruban government, former CBS journalist Steve Cohen, is predicting a closure to the case in the next six months.

How exactly would one know the following if they were not privy to or told certain information as to the status and direction of the case? Steve Cohen is a paid consultant, are we to believe he is just making this up?

He says investigators are focusing on proving the case against three young men who had been held as suspects, and who are known to have interacted with the US student.

Mr Cohen expects one or all three suspects - Dutch national Joran van der Sloot and Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - to be charged for rape and murder. Officials have apparently decide to focus their investigations more closely on the three.

It would appear to be that he is speaking for the investigators and the prosecution in his following comments:

Case to be presented soon

“we’re pretty much at the end of the investigation of that scenario all the pieces of that jig-saw puzzle are now infront of us, and we are beginning to see a picture now, that was not a picture that we saw three of four months ago,” Mr Cohen told BBC Caribbean.

He says he’s optimistic that they’ll be able to wrap up their current probe and be able to present a case to the judge “in the next few weeks or a few months”.

Steve Cohen makes all of these comments to The Dr Phil Show, then retracts it. Tells the Travel Video the boys had sex with Natalee and The BBC Caribbean that the three suspects are “to be charged for rape and murder”. Coupled with Karen Janssen stating that there could be fireworks at the end of January. Let’s take a look back and remember exactly the reasons why Steve Cohen was hired to be the Aruban spokesperson.

The Strategic Committee that was instituted in the Natalee Holloway case called a press conference yesterday where Jorge Pesquera, President and CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association announced that for the passed few weeks they were in search of a spokes person to counter arrest all incorrect information that is distributed in the US press especially via TV.

Both organizations found Steve Cohen to be the adequate person in the position. Cohen is already much involved in the case and has already been advising the Government. He has been doing a great job behind the curtains, according to Pesquera.

The position was to counter the misinformation from American media. Who is it exactly that is providing the misinformation these days? Who will Aruba blame next? It was not the American media that created the December “roller-coaster” ride that Steve Cohen apolisized to Beth Twitty for. This is the exact quote from Arubathruth.com discussing Steve Cohen’s remarks that, “It is expected that he (Joran) will be re-questioned somewhere in the next 10-day period”.

Last night on ‘Rita Cosby Live & Direct,’ Steve Cohen confirmed the arrival of Joran van der Sloot in Aruba and that he and the Kalpoe brothers will be re-questioned within the next 10 days.

So now those in the ALE, Prosecutors office and the ATA are against Steve Cohen and his comments? What could any of this be but SPIN? Let’s remember the first SM post when Steve Cohen was initially brought on as “Natalee Holloway Investigation: Steve Cohen appointed as spokes person for Aruba (Let the Spin Begin)”.

 

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Who told the story to Steve Cohen?
The OM?
Were are the statements?

[Rob]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

[briany]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

[Rob]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

lemme get this straight... you don't think the Kalpoes are involved? is that right?
 

[Rob]

*******, check this bro -

FROM THE OFFICE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS
November 21, 2003
JS-1017

Media Advisory:
United States and Aruba will sign Tax Information Exchange Agreement on Friday


 Treasury Secretary John Snow will hold the United States-Aruba tax information exchange agreement signing ceremony at 1:15 p.m. EST on Friday, November 21, 2003 in the Treasury Department's Media Room (Room 4121), 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW. Treasury Secretary John Snow and Aruba’s Prime Minister Nelson O. Oduber, will be signing the tax information exchange agreement.

 The Room will be available for pre-set at 12:30 p.m.

 Media without Treasury or White House press credentials planning to attend should contact Treasury's Office of Public Affairs at (202) 622-2960 with the following information: name, social security number and date of birth. This information may also be faxed to (202) 622-1999.

 http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/js1017.htm

[Observer]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

Steve Cohen didn't say much except he was allowed to see the case files. He then said on National TV in front of Millions that at least two of the boys had sex with Natalee. It was the second to last time we ever heard from him again. I believe it is in the case files whether true or not and Steve Cohen read it from there. I'M at work but I have many many reason's to believe Deepak knows much more then what he has stated and he is still lying as well as Satish.

[Observer]

Interesting Rob! I have more to add to that later...

[briany]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

lemme get this straight... you don't think the Kalpoes are involved? is that right?
 

Since I started reading more and more statements I start to think that this can be part of the smokescreen.
The brothers can be involved in the dropping of Joran and Natalee. It is very well possible that this was at the house of VdS or on a beach.

My idea is more and more that the Kalpoe brothers drove home after dropping Joran and Natalee, and were called by Joran later when they were at home for a long time.

As far as I wrote the statements this is very well possible. By blaming (and maybe pressuring) the Kalpoe's there will always stay a smokescreen.

It would not surprise me.

[Tamikosmom]

Steve Cohen did not retract his claim that two of the suspects had sex with Natalee ... he just clarified that there was not an official record.

Janet

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THE KALPOES INVOLVEMENT

Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
December 7, 2005

A coalition of groups announced Friday the appointment of Steve Cohen to act as spokesperson to North American media, in regards to the Natalee Holloway disappearance case.

AHATA and the ATA appointed Cohen to deal with all media relations concerning the case which still commands media coverage in the United States. Mr. Cohen has been part of the Strategic Communications Task Force since its creation in June. He has a full knowledge of the case and is an associate of the Strategic Message Design Group that has served in an advisory capacity to both ATA and AHATA.

The goal of this action is to coordinate the responses of the private and public sectors to North American media.


Steve Cohen
CARIBBEAN VOICE
January 28, 2006

Aruba stays afloat through Natalie Holloway's investigation
By Hazel Heyer

"Anything DNA that is identified to be of Natalee's will allow us to bring a strong case forward against the three boys. We are also getting to finally talk to some of the Alabama teens who left on that plane and did not wait around for interrogation," said Cohen.
Aruba believes it is most important to get a hold of her mental state and most importantly, Natalee's physical state at the time of disappearance. "Two of the boys said they had consensual sex with her. Whether consensual or not, depends on her ability to be conscious and make a choice." said Cohen.


Steve Cohen
ARUBA TRUTH
January 29, 2006

There are concerns about the statements regarding the investigations view of whether or not any of the suspects had consensual sex with Natalee Holloway. It was not my intention to suggest that they had admitted any such actions on the official record.