Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[briany]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

Steve Cohen didn't say much except he was allowed to see the case files. He then said on National TV in front of Millions that at least two of the boys had sex with Natalee. It was the second to last time we ever heard from him again. I believe it is in the case files whether true or not and Steve Cohen read it from there. I'M at work but I have many many reason's to believe Deepak knows much more then what he has stated and he is still lying as well as Satish.

Why does he not show the statements than? Why not arrest the three of them?

Because there are no such statements?

[Rob]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

lemme get this straight... you don't think the Kalpoes are involved? is that right?
 

Since I started reading more and more statements I start to think that this can be part of the smokescreen.
The brothers can be involved in the dropping of Joran and Natalee. It is very well possible that this was at the house of VdS or on a beach.

My idea is more and more that the Kalpoe brothers drove home after dropping Joran and Natalee, and were called by Joran later when they were at home for a long time.

As far as I wrote the statements this is very well possible. By blaming (and maybe pressuring) the Kalpoe's there will always stay a smokescreen.

It would not surprise me.

Well, your entitled to your opinion. However, I wonder why Satish would take a shower put on his Sunday best, and then pace the kitchen floor like a mutant ready to lose his virginity. All to have one drink? huh?

The Kalpoes are anything but innocent in my opinion.

Also, Deepak said to Jamie Skeeters he was not going back to jail because he knew too much and the judges knew it.  hardly sounds innocent to me.

[Tamikosmom]

THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT

Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT

Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
Translation Credit: Rammstein

[Peaches]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

[briany]

THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT

Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

I wrote (I thought on FOK)  the gardener was not reliabel. Maybe hired by VdS., we don't know.

[briany]

Sometime I write (I wrote), it means I read, excuse me.

[Rob]

I found a master list of the Blackmore Corp. This was the front for the North Valle Cartel on Aruba. They were based in Oranjestad... I think on LG Smith. Anyway, it looks like all of the people, aliases, and a load of property.

http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/actions/20050511.shtml

It's quite extensive, so I'll just leave the link.

[Tamikosmom]

THE KALPOES' INVOLVEMENT

Freddy Knows!

Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway
Page 179 - 182

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
 
S: I know he knows truth

D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
 
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
 
D: Freddy knows

[briany]

OK The Kalpoes are in this and used violence to Natalee. You are all pretty sure about that, but I am not convinced at all.

I don't believe all the stories just everybody tells. Especially not the later ones.

I told you how I think at this very moment. I did not read as much as you did, and I prefer to read serious statements and not what all the "so called" witnesses from months and years later tell or people who claim to have read things, without any source.

[Observer]

OK The Kalpoes are in this and used violence to Natalee. You are all pretty sure about that, but I am not convinced at all.

I don't believe all the stories just everybody tells. Especially not the later ones.

I told you how I think at this very moment. I did not read as much as you did, and I prefer to read serious statements and not what all the "so called" witnesses from months and years later tell or people who claim to have read things, without any source.

Nobody is saying that K2 used violence towards Natalee,just saying they are definetly involved and still not telling the truth and they know more. It's based on all there statements,witnesses and everything that has happened with them in 3 years. They fought tooth and nail vs the DNA Tests,FBI and everything that would help show they were innocent. When Beth met Deepak,once again he made himself look guilty as hell..

[Tamikosmom]

THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT

Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

I wrote (I thought on FOK)  the gardener was not reliabel. Maybe hired by VdS., we don't know.

Jossy Mansur
DIARIO Aruba
April 26, 2006

Further, the gardener’s testimony stands as valid and concrete to this day. He confirmed this in front of a judge. He passed a lie detector test successfully! Nothing of what he has said has been contradicted with solid proof to this day.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html


CARLOS RAMOS (gardener witness) Statements 7/26 - 8/16/2005
« on: August 26, 2006, 03:24:53 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg42369;topicseen#msg42369

[Tamikosmom]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

[briany]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

lemme get this straight... you don't think the Kalpoes are involved? is that right?
 

Since I started reading more and more statements I start to think that this can be part of the smokescreen.
The brothers can be involved in the dropping of Joran and Natalee. It is very well possible that this was at the house of VdS or on a beach.

My idea is more and more that the Kalpoe brothers drove home after dropping Joran and Natalee, and were called by Joran later when they were at home for a long time.

As far as I wrote the statements this is very well possible. By blaming (and maybe pressuring) the Kalpoe's there will always stay a smokescreen.

It would not surprise me.

Well, your entitled to your opinion. However, I wonder why Satish would take a shower put on his Sunday best, and then pace the kitchen floor like a mutant ready to lose his virginity. All to have one drink? huh?

The Kalpoes are anything but innocent in my opinion.

Also, Deepak said to Jamie Skeeters he was not going back to jail because he knew too much and the judges knew it.  hardly sounds innocent to me.

In Holland  "snorders" usually go to bars by closing time to give people "taxidrives". By closingtime there is often a lack of taxidrivers. They can easily earn some money in quite a short time by doing a few "taxidrives".

It is not very abnormal.

[briany]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

It is very well possible that some people are put under pressure. Why listen to all the stories of Vander Sloot. Are there any stories of the Kalpoes?

And if not, why not?

[Rob]

In Holland  "snorders" usually go to bars by closing time to give people "taxidrives". By closingtime there is often a lack of taxidrivers. They can easily earn some money in quite a short time by doing a few "taxidrives".

It is not very abnormal.

ok, but we're talking about 'Rooba. 

and in America we just call them PREDATORS

[johan555]

Casino Aruba
 it´s very strange that a lawyer and judge in training (which is considered the laws to life), with his underage son to the casino.
You must be at least 18 for the casino  .
Joran also had a VIP card of Carlos and Charlies, the rancid disko of Aruba.
Joran hung the days prior to the disappearance of Natalee often around when Holliday In, a few people who have worked there and declared that there are also indications that he had sold drugs.
Did Paul vd Sloot regularly gamble in  the casino or only this time because his wife to Holland ?
Why let a judge in training his son Underage gamble?
What Notabelen were gambling there also  ?

Then the role of Jacob White;
 
The police had a warrant to search the whole house
 
With who had  the police officer  contact to warrant that searches should be limited to only Joran's kotje(house)?
Who has turned it back ?
Or was it a decision of Jacob Wit Himself ?
Apparently, the fam vd Sloot an interest in this is not the whole house would be searched.
What were they hiding?
The shoes  with traces out?
Clothes could sit on where traces of Joran or his father?
Bank statements?
computers ?
cell phones?
Natalee´s clothes ?

[Observer]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

It is very well possible that some people are put under pressure. Why listen to all the stories of Vander Sloot. Are there any stories of the Kalpoes?

And if not, why not?

They are quiet as Rats..LOL! We knew early on in the case that a witness saw them maliciously cleaning and washing down there car early in the morning like 3AM after Natalee dissapeared. Greta last year talked to a neighbor who told a similar story,as they parked the car behind the house in a very suspicious area and the 2 brothers and a friend were cleaning it. How did Deepak know Natalee had $50 on her?

Deepak had his chance to declare his innocense with Beth when they met in person..Instead he couldn't even look at her and said if he knew where her body was he would tell..He said he didn't need the reward money and after Beth left he filed a complaint and lied and said Beth threatened him and harrassed her..

[briany]

THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT

Jossy Mansur
NANCY GRACE
July 26, 2005

MANSUR: Because they were trying to hide their faces at that the hour, because we have to remember that the two Kalpoe brothers and Joran held on to the statement that they dropped Joran off at the beach and then went home. But here we have someone that says categorically that they did not go home, they were in the car with Joran. Joran was sitting in the driver`s seat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/26/ng.01.html


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

I wrote (I thought on FOK)  the gardener was not reliabel. Maybe hired by VdS., we don't know.

Jossy Mansur
DIARIO Aruba
April 26, 2006

Further, the gardener’s testimony stands as valid and concrete to this day. He confirmed this in front of a judge. He passed a lie detector test successfully! Nothing of what he has said has been contradicted with solid proof to this day.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006_04_30_archive.html


CARLOS RAMOS (gardener witness) Statements 7/26 - 8/16/2005
« on: August 26, 2006, 03:24:53 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=271.msg42369;topicseen#msg42369

Correct me if I am wrong but was this not a "loose alarm" in this?
I also remember that there was a big reward.

The 26th of July or August?
After Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were suspects?

[briany]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

It is very well possible that some people are put under pressure. Why listen to all the stories of Vander Sloot. Are there any stories of the Kalpoes?

And if not, why not?

They are quiet as Rats..LOL! We knew early on in the case that a witness saw them maliciously cleaning and washing down there car early in the morning like 3AM after Natalee dissapeared. Greta last year talked to a neighbor who told a similar story,as they parked the car behind the house in a very suspicious area and the 2 brothers and a friend were cleaning it. How did Deepak know Natalee had $50 on her?

Deepak had his chance to declare his innocense with Beth when they met in person..Instead he couldn't even look at her and said if he knew where her body was he would tell..He said he didn't need the reward money and after Beth left he filed a complaint and lied and said Beth threatened him and harrassed her..

So you believe the neighbours? When did this neighbours turn up? Let me quess. Months later?
Maybe Natalee payd the cab, and therefore Deepak knew she had $50 on her?