Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[Tamikosmom]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

It is very well possible that some people are put under pressure. Why listen to all the stories of Vander Sloot. Are there any stories of the Kalpoes?

And if not, why not?

Hey ... if I were Deepak or Satish ... I would stick to my story ... "I dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach ... that's it ... that's all.

However ... in the early morning of May 30, 2005 ... the coverup was in full swing.  Deepak was attempting to obstruct the investigation ... an investigation that had not yet been opened as ... Natalee Holloway has yet to be missed.

Janet

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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following.  The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. 

[briany]

Casino Aruba
 it´s very strange that a lawyer and judge in training (which is considered the laws to life), with his underage son to the casino.
You must be at least 18 for the casino  .
Joran also had a VIP card of Carlos and Charlies, the rancid disko of Aruba.
Joran hung the days prior to the disappearance of Natalee often around when Holliday In, a few people who have worked there and declared that there are also indications that he had sold drugs.
Did Paul vd Sloot regularly gamble in  the casino or only this time because his wife to Holland ?
Why let a judge in training his son Underage gamble?
What Notabelen were gambling there also  ?

Then the role of Jacob White;
 
The police had a warrant to search the whole house
 
With who had  the police officer  contact to warrant that searches should be limited to only Joran's kotje(house)?
Who has turned it back ?
Or was it a decision of Jacob Wit Himself ?
Apparently, the fam vd Sloot an interest in this is not the whole house would be searched.
What were they hiding?
The shoes  with traces out?
Clothes could sit on where traces of Joran or his father?
Bank statements?
computers ?
cell phones?
Natalee´s clothes ?

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran, I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold 'em" poker Tournament. Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "blackjack" and I continued playing poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game, I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the blackjack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students there, who were on holiday in Aruba. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play blackjack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with blackjack, because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group of girls who were playing blackjack with Joran walk by, and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening because they would like to meet him there. Joran told them not to worry, he would go.

So according to Dos Santos VdS was in the casino at the same time Natalee was there.

Why does VdS have to tell lies about this?

[briany]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

It is very well possible that some people are put under pressure. Why listen to all the stories of Vander Sloot. Are there any stories of the Kalpoes?

And if not, why not?

Hey ... if I were Deepak or Satish ... I would stick to my story ... "I dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach ... that's it ... that's all.

However ... in the early morning of May 30, 2005 ... the coverup was in full swing.  Deepak was attempting to obstruct the investigation ... an investigation that had not yet been opened as ... Natalee Holloway has yet to be missed.

Janet

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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following.  The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. 

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. 

Probably he told this to frustrate the investigation. Or do you believe Natalee did that!

I do not believe it.

[Tamikosmom]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

It is very well possible that some people are put under pressure. Why listen to all the stories of Vander Sloot. Are there any stories of the Kalpoes?

And if not, why not?

They are quiet as Rats..LOL! We knew early on in the case that a witness saw them maliciously cleaning and washing down there car early in the morning like 3AM after Natalee dissapeared. Greta last year talked to a neighbor who told a similar story,as they parked the car behind the house in a very suspicious area and the 2 brothers and a friend were cleaning it. How did Deepak know Natalee had $50 on her?

Deepak had his chance to declare his innocense with Beth when they met in person..Instead he couldn't even look at her and said if he knew where her body was he would tell..He said he didn't need the reward money and after Beth left he filed a complaint and lied and said Beth threatened him and harrassed her..

So you believe the neighbours? When did this neighbours turn up? Let me quess. Months later?
Maybe Natalee payd the cab, and therefore Deepak knew she had $50 on her?

Briany ... yes I believe the neighbours.  Why would they lie?

Janet

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Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway
NEW YORK LAWSUIT

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp8.html

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.
 
     40.  In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan.

[Rob]

They are quiet as Rats..LOL! We knew early on in the case that a witness saw them maliciously cleaning and washing down there car early in the morning like 3AM after Natalee dissapeared. Greta last year talked to a neighbor who told a similar story,as they parked the car behind the house in a very suspicious area and the 2 brothers and a friend were cleaning it. How did Deepak know Natalee had $50 on her?

Deepak had his chance to declare his innocense with Beth when they met in person..Instead he couldn't even look at her and said if he knew where her body was he would tell..He said he didn't need the reward money and after Beth left he filed a complaint and lied and said Beth threatened him and harrassed her..
[/quote]

Here are some shots I made a long time ago.
Kalpoe house on top


area behind house where car was probably cleaned.

[Tamikosmom]

This dialogue is a flashback to a place in time I would rather not go.  Been there.  Done that.

Later Monkeys

Janet

[Rob]

The irony here is too much  the guy is convicted of money laudering and LOOK at the name of his business. 

US former legislator and family found guilty of money laundering - 17 January 2008
German Quiles, a retired state representative from Philadelphia and now the owner of a cheque-cashing business, has been convicted, with his wife and daughter, of laundering US$175,900 [about £90,000] between September 2006 and January 2007.  Quiles, his wife Maria and their adult daughter Gloria were found guilty of conspiracy, money laundering and aiding and abetting after they laundered drug money through their money service business, Aruba Auto Tag Service and Aruba Check Cashing Inc.  Following a tip-off to the Department of Homeland Security, an informant visited Aruba Inc. thirty-five times over sixteen days.  On those visits he obtained 83 money orders and four wire transfers to the Dominican Republic totalling $6,000, and exchanged small bills for $100 bills twenty times.  Aruba was paid $9,800 in fees for these services.  The Quiles family faces forfeiture of $131,575 in property.  All three will be sentenced in April: German and Maria each face 63 to 78 months in prison; Gloria faces 41 to 51 months.

[briany]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

YES!!!

 

... and any implication to the contrary is an attempt to distract from the truth ... the truth that has put an American family through a H--- on Earth for almost three years.  IMO.

Janet

It is very well possible that some people are put under pressure. Why listen to all the stories of Vander Sloot. Are there any stories of the Kalpoes?

And if not, why not?

They are quiet as Rats..LOL! We knew early on in the case that a witness saw them maliciously cleaning and washing down there car early in the morning like 3AM after Natalee dissapeared. Greta last year talked to a neighbor who told a similar story,as they parked the car behind the house in a very suspicious area and the 2 brothers and a friend were cleaning it. How did Deepak know Natalee had $50 on her?

Deepak had his chance to declare his innocense with Beth when they met in person..Instead he couldn't even look at her and said if he knew where her body was he would tell..He said he didn't need the reward money and after Beth left he filed a complaint and lied and said Beth threatened him and harrassed her..

So you believe the neighbours? When did this neighbours turn up? Let me quess. Months later?
Maybe Natalee payd the cab, and therefore Deepak knew she had $50 on her?

Briany ... yes I believe the neighbours.  Why would they lie?

Janet

+++++++++++++


Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway
NEW YORK LAWSUIT

http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp8.html

Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot.
 
     40.  In the early hours of Monday morning, Deepak methodically and uncharacteristically cleans his silver Nissan.

I do not know if they lie. But it is possible that they are payd of influenced by VanderSloot.

When did they declare this? Very late, or was this very short or after the brothers were arrested.

If this was very late, why wait so long?

Any idea?

[briany]

This dialogue is a flashback to a place in time I would rather not go.  Been there.  Done that.

Later Monkeys

Janet

For me this is very tiring too.  You know how I think about this. I quit this discussion too.

[Rob]

I think I hit the mother load!!!

Remember when Spencer Bachus had his meeting with the Aruban Delegation?... Well, he knew them before that... all the way back to 1999 and this is a link that has more than 74 pages. This deals with China, the Panama canal, drug cartels, labor, money laundering and many of the other issues we talk about.

This is from a Congress meeting.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba61331.000/hba61331_0.HTM

I've read the first few pages and this is obvious that Aruba has a lot to gain with the Panama canal and shipping to SA. Also Dana Rohrabacher was in the meeting.

I would say that Congressman Spencer Bachus was well aware of Aruba and it's dealings all the way back in 1999. He chaired this committee.

more on Bachus, just to make sure we all have it right and we are NOT talking about Max Bacchus.
House Financial Services Financial Institutions Subcommittee Chairman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) said his panel will wait until next year to mark up H.R. 3997, the Financial Data Protection Act of 2005. Panel members stood at odds over whether to preempt existing state laws on notifying consumers of data breaches that could jeopardize personal information.
http://tinyurl.com/4w382v

[Kiwi]

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. 



[/quote]Janet I don't think this is obstruction at all. They call it, caught in the act. He makes the call at 6am, describes a crime of rape per Aruban law.  The time is prior to police involvement  by approx 24 hours. Any thing he says to cover it up might as well be "So how are those Cubs, can I go home now". Dr Phil's lawyers just need to use this statement  from  Deepak and case is over.

[Observer]

Yes both Kalpoes have been very helpfull in Natalee's dissapearance. Let's think back the very first night when Deepak told Joran to say nothing to the Family. "You don't have to say anything" Who was he protecting then? Did he already know that Natalee died and this was his reaction to the Family? Why would he tell Joran to say nothing if he had no idea what happened?

Nothing would suprise me about his actions. This is the same guy who said Natalee was a slut and dressed like a slut. Same guy who fought the FBI,DNA and is suing for 800 million. I think back to Joran making fun of Satish about seeing ghosts in the Prison and then Satish asking how the girl was when he first woke up at noon. Joran probably was referring to Natalee being that Ghost and whatever happened to Natalee Satish knew about it and it bothered him.IMO Not everyone can be as cold and callous about a teenage girl as Paulus,Joran and Deepak.

[Peaches]

I think I hit the mother load!!!

Remember when Spencer Bachus had his meeting with the Aruban Delegation?... Well, he knew them before that... all the way back to 1999 and this is a link that has more than 74 pages. This deals with China, the Panama canal, drug cartels, labor, money laundering and many of the other issues we talk about.

This is from a Congress meeting.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba61331.000/hba61331_0.HTM

I've read the first few pages and this is obvious that Aruba has a lot to gain with the Panama canal and shipping to SA. Also Dana Rohrabacher was in the meeting.

I would say that Congressman Spencer Bachus was well aware of Aruba and it's dealings all the way back in 1999. He chaired this committee.

more on Bachus, just to make sure we all have it right and we are NOT talking about Max Bacchus.
House Financial Services Financial Institutions Subcommittee Chairman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) said his panel will wait until next year to mark up H.R. 3997, the Financial Data Protection Act of 2005. Panel members stood at odds over whether to preempt existing state laws on notifying consumers of data breaches that could jeopardize personal information.
http://tinyurl.com/4w382v

So are you going to skim this article for me?  I'm still trying to figure out how to clean my self-cleaning oven here.  Something tells that link goes places I won't understand.

[Peaches]

Yes both Kalpoes have been very helpfull in Natalee's dissapearance. Let's think back the very first night when Deepak told Joran to say nothing to the Family. "You don't have to say anything" Who was he protecting then? Did he already know that Natalee died and this was his reaction to the Family? Why would he tell Joran to say nothing if he had no idea what happened?

Nothing would suprise me about his actions. This is the same guy who said Natalee was a slut and dressed like a slut. Same guy who fought the FBI,DNA and is suing for 800 million. I think back to Joran making fun of Satish about seeing ghosts in the Prison and then Satish asking how the girl was when he first woke up at noon. Joran probably was referring to Natalee being that Ghost and whatever happened to Natalee Satish knew about it and it bothered him.IMO No everyone can be as cold and callous about a teenage girl as Paulus,Joran and Deepak.

Deepak, the big man, couldn't even look Beth in the eye when she came into the internet cafe and he was working.  He's just another POS who is looking out for himself first and foremost. 

[San]

Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

If you consider the behavior of every one of the main suspects, JVDS, PVDS, Satish, Deepak, they appear the same to me as they always have.....GUILTY as the day is long.  Each and every one of them is in this up to the eyeballs. 

I agree Peaches.

Some reason's why the Kalpoes are guilty:

1. If they are not guilty they would have immediately came forward and said we aren't involved.  But they can't because their DNA will be found on Natalee.
2. Satish Kalpoe would have never said how is the girl.
3. Deepak would have never said "we all did" regarding having sex with Natalee.
4. Would have never been at the Sloots trying to create their alibi.
5. Wouldn't have to wash their car in the early morning hours.
6. Satish would have went to school because he would have nothing to worry about.
7. Ask the automotive repair people if they could hold his car (according to Dave Holloway).
8. Deepak telling Jaime Skeeters how easy it is to drug someone.
9. Deepak saying Freddy needs to tell the truth.
10. Deepak had Steve Croes' telephone number programmed into his phone.
11. Kalpoes would have given Dr. Phil's lawyers the requested documents.

We can go on and on with this list.  The Kalpoes are guilty of Drugging, Kidnapping and Raping Natalee.

[Observer]

Deepak, the big man, couldn't even look Beth in the eye when she came into the internet cafe and he was working.  He's just another POS who is looking out for himself first and foremost. 

There was no way in hell he was gonna look Beth into the eyes and lie to her and he knew it. It was best for him to keep his head down,say nothing and avoid eye contact. It was a very telling moment not just for Beth but for everyone that was in the cafe. No denying it and he had no lawyers to hide behind that day. The nerve of that little prick to threaten Beth after that and lie and say she threatened him and harrassed him. Justice for Natalee does not begin and end with the Van Der Sloots.

[Tamikosmom]

I think I hit the mother load!!!

Remember when Spencer Bachus had his meeting with the Aruban Delegation?... Well, he knew them before that... all the way back to 1999 and this is a link that has more than 74 pages. This deals with China, the Panama canal, drug cartels, labor, money laundering and many of the other issues we talk about.

This is from a Congress meeting.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba61331.000/hba61331_0.HTM

I've read the first few pages and this is obvious that Aruba has a lot to gain with the Panama canal and shipping to SA. Also Dana Rohrabacher was in the meeting.

I would say that Congressman Spencer Bachus was well aware of Aruba and it's dealings all the way back in 1999. He chaired this committee.

more on Bachus, just to make sure we all have it right and we are NOT talking about Max Bacchus.
House Financial Services Financial Institutions Subcommittee Chairman Spencer Bachus (R-AL) said his panel will wait until next year to mark up H.R. 3997, the Financial Data Protection Act of 2005. Panel members stood at odds over whether to preempt existing state laws on notifying consumers of data breaches that could jeopardize personal information.
http://tinyurl.com/4w382v

Rob ... you got it right.

GREAT FIND!!!

Janet

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THE FINANCIAL AND COMMERCIAL IMPACT OF THE PANAMA CANAL TREATY

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 7, 1999
U.S. House of Representatives,
Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy,
Committee on Banking and Financial Services,
Washington, DC.

    The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:10 a.m., in room 2128, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Spencer Bachus, [chairman of the subcommittee], presiding.

<snipped>

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/bank/hba61331.000/hba61331_0.HTM

[Blue Moon]

OK The Kalpoes are in this and used violence to Natalee. You are all pretty sure about that, but I am not convinced at all.

I don't believe all the stories just everybody tells. Especially not the later ones.

I told you how I think at this very moment. I did not read as much as you did, and I prefer to read serious statements and not what all the "so called" witnesses from months and years later tell or people who claim to have read things, without any source.

I don't think anyone said for sure that Violence was used against Natalee by the Kalpoes.  "So Called" witnesses is all Beth and Dave have.  The Kalpoes refuse to give up their files to Dr. Phil, the Aruban LE will not give over the files on this case.  I am VERY sure Beth and Dave would love to read those "serious statements" made by each of these scum of the earth. Any suggestions on how the Kalpoes can make this happen is more than welcomed.     No disrespect here but the Kalpoes are COWARDS. They are not real men.  Real men take their medicine and tell the truth, not obstructing an investigation where a young woman's life is at stake.  Scum. (MO)

[Buckeye]

Posted by Pearl at BFN:

Case Information | Party Information | Documents Filed
Proceedings Held (Proceeding dates listed in descending order)

04/29/2008 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Motion to Compel (2) Motion to Dismiss) - Held-Continued

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Future Hearings
05/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (2) Motion to Dismiss3) Case Management ConferenceDocuments Filed


APRIL ..(Filing dates listed in descending order)

04/22/2008 Reply/Response (TO PLTFS' OPPO. TO ITS MOTION TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/22/2008 Reply/Response (to Plaintiffs' Opposition to Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss and Request for Terminating Sanctions for Plaintiffs' Willful Failure to Comply with Court Orders)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/02/2008 Stipulation (to Continue the Hearing on Defendants' Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

04/02/2008 Order (Re: Stipulation of the Parties to Continue the Hearing on Defendants' Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

[hotping]

I brought this over from BFN

 Re: Deepak Kalpoe v Phil McGraw ~ Index to Pleadings (updated 3-5-08)
« Reply #148 on: Today at 07:40:21 PM »   

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Case Information | Party Information | Documents Filed
Proceedings Held (Proceeding dates listed in descending order)

04/29/2008 at 08:30 am in Department 69, Edward A. Ferns, Presiding
Motion to Compel (2) Motion to Dismiss) - Held-Continued

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
05/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel (2) Motion to Dismiss3) Case Management ConferenceDocuments Filed


APRIL ..(Filing dates listed in descending order)

04/22/2008 Reply/Response (TO PLTFS' OPPO. TO ITS MOTION TO COMPEL, ETC. )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/22/2008 Reply/Response (to Plaintiffs' Opposition to Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss and Request for Terminating Sanctions for Plaintiffs' Willful Failure to Comply with Court Orders)
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

04/02/2008 Stipulation (to Continue the Hearing on Defendants' Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

04/02/2008 Order (Re: Stipulation of the Parties to Continue the Hearing on Defendants' Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner
 
 
 
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