Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[Rob]

Klaas, I did it again.. opps

can you delete this post in the Shango / Simian thread. TIA

just re-reading the post, (Melody, if it is her) seems to know someone has found out something and she is awaiting the news to hit the streets. She also says the reporter is a he.

[Rob]

would the child be Joran's and Melody's and Melody has covered that up and allowed someone else to believe that they are the father of Melody's baby?

[Observer]

Klaas, I did it again.. opps

can you delete this post in the Shango / Simian thread. TIA

just re-reading the post, (Melody, if it is her) seems to know someone has found out something and she is awaiting the news to hit the streets. She also says the reporter is a he.

Well she posted right when Joran was last arrested back in 2007,so I hope you are right. I definetly remember Melody talking about being pregnant on her tickle site like Carpe recalls also. That was a long time ago,I believe in 2006. One of her many friends on Tickle was Marten Van Der Berg.

[Rob]

someone got killed last night and it appears 4 people were detained.

www.24ora.com

[carpe noctem]

Melody: (snip)

*aren't you so proud you'd like someone who you haven't seen in a while to see you and your beautifullest-baby-ever ?

 

- in particular my best friend from highschool, she's abroad and is coming to aruba in december. also my ex boyfriend , don't know why though.  but so many other people, it's like everytime someone '' new'' sees her it feeds that proudness and it just keeps growing, with her every smile to me, her every achievement.


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[Observer]

Since when is there a Casino that isn't real or just for minors? Anytime real money is awarded that is gambling and it doesnt matter if it was free or not to enter. PVDS knowingly sat down next to his Son and gambled and Anita is lying through her teeth,as he was not sent to a psychologist to improve his studies.

Delightful Youth Snip
Portrait of a rebellious adolescent who plays fast and loose with the truth.
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A day earlier a high-level police source whispered anonymously, that Joran had been treated for lying. Nonsense, asserts Anita firmly. Her son has undergone only counseling to improve his study habits. Eventually Melody broke the relationship because Joran was unfaithful. Magda, administrator of the Aruba Racquet club, shrugs her shoulders. That is his strength, Joran knows. Talking, "I frequently get what I want done." Convincing debate is what I learned at the International School, according to my mother. Joran applied that art at home too and with impact. Once he wanted to go to the casino, but his father was opposed. There arose a strong argument, after which Paulus accompanied his son to the casino. Then he would stay away longer, and really gamble. His father later realizes this and is bewildered. "I had no idea that Joran gambled in the real casino too."

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[johan555]

Post of Klaas by Fok
I am not  not someone who post on sites (and this is probably my 1st and last post here ...) but am equally to NWO been here after what I had read ....

That Renee Gielen is a mess of a lie all the time ....

Fact: Joran was in March in Thailand .... or do I go there sometimes eeneiige twin brother? And no, I have no pictures / movies ... I was on tour and did not know about the issue was that he did Saturday ... ie logical that after the broadcast was away from NL .... am ' m a few times I've encountered & aside from the vent. Who would now deal with some schoft? But the fact remains that you have enough information on 'm ... enough people who hear about' celebrity 'giant find interesting.

Fact: Mr. van der Sloot had a megaschuld by gambling & has a lot of people borrowed money (to the person what was the story that was where he presented the money needed for .... manipulator at top) ... Saturday was pretty up and nipped in the bud ... do not think there ie in a sort of Holland Casino, are gambling but I will say. He was not caught with drugs or something similar.

Fact: summonses are not within a few days in the first bus .... must still accept a civil case found and then the list of persons who may be heard ... there is a lot of time in it ... where Renee has Gielen its wisdom that this came within a few days all is settled? From the Story? Telegraaf? Certainly not Bram M. ... I still hope that may know how it is .... if I already know

Renee Gielen with its Thailand is a lie, subpoenas were within a few days in the bus must lie (which she apparently unexamined without itself with an ounce of brains to think ?)... and worse: Mart Bakx even ridicule (the post in Aruba is slow ).... that Joran, RTL Boulevard / Peter R. de Vries / Telegraaf etc. the deliberate use man is apparently one reason for her to make nice to join it and that man to smaller ones. And anyone with a little insight will understand how tenenkrommend that is. That woman should hang their heads in shame, check its sources well & lies not proclaim truth ... about someone should be taken seriously? Pleaaase say.

[private eye]

Hey everyone. I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother, and if he has a child, the mother of his child, would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? Wouldn't you risk his anger to at least try and provide his child with the chance to have a relationship with with his Dad, which will only be positive if Joran tells the truth and pays his debt? And considering Joran has confessed pretty damn formally twice, is it not obvious that Joran is asking for help?

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

[Buckeye]

Post of Klaas by Fok
I am not  not someone who post on sites (and this is probably my 1st and last post here ...) but am equally to NWO been here after what I had read ....

That Renee Gielen is a mess of a lie all the time ....

Fact: Joran was in March in Thailand .... or do I go there sometimes eeneiige twin brother? And no, I have no pictures / movies ... I was on tour and did not know about the issue was that he did Saturday ... ie logical that after the broadcast was away from NL .... am ' m a few times I've encountered & aside from the vent. Who would now deal with some schoft? But the fact remains that you have enough information on 'm ... enough people who hear about' celebrity 'giant find interesting.

Fact: Mr. van der Sloot had a megaschuld by gambling & has a lot of people borrowed money (to the person what was the story that was where he presented the money needed for .... manipulator at top) ... Saturday was pretty up and nipped in the bud ... do not think there ie in a sort of Holland Casino, are gambling but I will say. He was not caught with drugs or something similar.

Fact: summonses are not within a few days in the first bus .... must still accept a civil case found and then the list of persons who may be heard ... there is a lot of time in it ... where Renee has Gielen its wisdom that this came within a few days all is settled? From the Story? Telegraaf? Certainly not Bram M. ... I still hope that may know how it is .... if I already know

Renee Gielen with its Thailand is a lie, subpoenas were within a few days in the bus must lie (which she apparently unexamined without itself with an ounce of brains to think ?)... and worse: Mart Bakx even ridicule (the post in Aruba is slow ).... that Joran, RTL Boulevard / Peter R. de Vries / Telegraaf etc. the deliberate use man is apparently one reason for her to make nice to join it and that man to smaller ones. And anyone with a little insight will understand how tenenkrommend that is. That woman should hang their heads in shame, check its sources well & lies not proclaim truth ... about someone should be taken seriously? Pleaaase say.

I don't quite understand this.  The poster is not our Klaas, correct?

Renee Gielen is a liar....I agree and understand.

megaschuld by gambling....????

now deal with some schoft...???

not sure what this means: do not think there ie in a sort of Holland Casino, are gambling but I will say. He was not caught with drugs or something similar.     Joran wasn't caught with drugs?  Did he see him in the casino?

the deliberate use man is apparently one reason for her to make nice to join it and that man to smaller ones....???

[klaasend]

No...NOT ME!  I've never posted at the FOK forum.

[GBMW]

Buckeye: a quick translation of Klaas' at Fok post by me:


I'm not someone that posts regularly (this will probably my first & last post here)..but I went to NWO after I had read some stuff here...

That Renee Gielen is lying big time...

Fact: halfway March Joran was in Thailand....or did I see his identical twinbrother there? And no, I didn't make photos / film...I was on a trip and didn't know it was such a big issue he was there. It would make sense that he would leave Holland after the show...I ran into him a couple of times but kept my distance. Who would want to hang out with such a scumbag? Doesn't mean you don't hear info about him...lots of people find such a 'celebrity' interesting.

Fact: mr. van der Sloot had a huge gamblingdebt & loaned money from quite a lot of people (depended on the person what story they were told by him why he needed money (manipulater at his finest). He was desperate...cornered...didn't think he had been gambling in a Holland Casino (meaning a regelar casino) so to speak.


Summary; not translated...
And then he mentions something about Renee Gielen being wrong about the civil case / subpoena (but he's wrong there so won't bother to translate ...). He does give her a nice remark because she's making fun of Mart on the site...that she should be ashamed of herself for that (that the media / press use Mart doesn't give her an excuse to do the same).

And for anybody who wants to know: at this moment Joran is in the Netherlands....walking around happy in Arnhem....

[GBMW]

Buckeye: a quick translation of Klaas' at Fok post by me:


I'm not someone that posts regularly (this will probably my first & last post here)..but I went to NWO after I had read some stuff here...

That Renee Gielen is lying big time...

Fact: halfway March Joran was in Thailand....or did I see his identical twinbrother there? And no, I didn't make photos / film...I was on a trip and didn't know it was such a big issue he was there. It would make sense that he would leave Holland after the show...I ran into him a couple of times but kept my distance. Who would want to hang out with such a scumbag? Doesn't mean you don't hear info about him...lots of people find such a 'celebrity' interesting.

Fact: mr. van der Sloot had a huge gamblingdebt & loaned money from quite a lot of people (depended on the person what story they were told by him why he needed money (manipulater at his finest). He was desperate...cornered...didn't think he had been gambling in a Holland Casino (meaning a regelar casino) so to speak. He wasn't caught with drugs or something like that.


Summary; not translated...
And then he mentions something about Renee Gielen being wrong about the civil case / subpoena (but he's wrong there so won't bother to translate ...). He does give her a nice remark because she's making fun of Mart on the site...that she should be ashamed of herself for that (that the media / press use Mart doesn't give her an excuse to do the same).

And for anybody who wants to know: at this moment Joran is in the Netherlands....walking around happy in Arnhem....

Klaas; could you delete the previous post? I forgot the drugquote so put it in this one...thanks

[Buckeye]

Buckeye: a quick translation of Klaas' at Fok post by me:


I'm not someone that posts regularly (this will probably my first & last post here)..but I went to NWO after I had read some stuff here...

That Renee Gielen is lying big time...

Fact: halfway March Joran was in Thailand....or did I see his identical twinbrother there? And no, I didn't make photos / film...I was on a trip and didn't know it was such a big issue he was there. It would make sense that he would leave Holland after the show...I ran into him a couple of times but kept my distance. Who would want to hang out with such a scumbag? Doesn't mean you don't hear info about him...lots of people find such a 'celebrity' interesting.

Fact: mr. van der Sloot had a huge gamblingdebt & loaned money from quite a lot of people (depended on the person what story they were told by him why he needed money (manipulater at his finest). He was desperate...cornered...didn't think he had been gambling in a Holland Casino (meaning a regelar casino) so to speak.


Summary; not translated...
And then he mentions something about Renee Gielen being wrong about the civil case / subpoena (but he's wrong there so won't bother to translate ...). He does give her a nice remark because she's making fun of Mart on the site...that she should be ashamed of herself for that (that the media / press use Mart doesn't give her an excuse to do the same).

And for anybody who wants to know: at this moment Joran is in the Netherlands....walking around happy in Arnhem....

Thanks GBMW

I'm always glad when people keep track of Renee.

Why aren't you walking the Arnhem streets with your camera phone??   

[Blue Moon]

would the child be Joran's and Melody's and Melody has covered that up and allowed someone else to believe that they are the father of Melody's baby?

found this post on that site Carpe posted:

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hi I AM NEW ; this is me. at 9/22/2007 8:16 PM CDT

hello everyone, i've been reading up on what you guys have been posting and really felt like joining.

so thought i'd introduce myself ( feel like venting as well so pardon me for this way-too-long post ): my name is Melody, first time mom, 20 years old.living on aruba

my baby is 5 months old and is by far the best thing to ever happen to me.

unlike other young moms my baby was planned. why? well we ( me and my boyfriend) felt ready for it. financially we knew we could make it, eventhough we would have to cut corners in the beginning.

i thought '' even if i have to struggle i WANT a baby and even if it was to be alot of work it sure will be worth it '' the love was definitely there even before she was conceived. we were ready to start our family. we had dreams, so many dreams, and one by one they started to come true : i got pregnant, we moved in together, he bought a car, my dad gave us a piece of land .... we wanted to be succesfull, i mean being young we knew we had time to work hard towards it.

at the moment our financial situation is wobbly (my boyfriend's dad lost his company. and with it he lost his job too)  he started working elsewhere ( earning a third of his prior paycheck) but now is at home for 3 weeks with no pay because he broke his arm playing paintball.

i got my dream job working at a bank. i always wanted to be an office woman with a desk of my own . but deep down i still ache to stay at home all the time with my baby girl.

we don't have alot of bills to pay because the house we are living in is his grandma's who is living elsewhere so all we got to pay is the electricity bill. the only other bill is his carloan. followed by the usual groceries for us and the baby. but being the big budgetter that i am i have faith that we will manage this month.

so being succesfull was easier to achieve when he was to take over the company, but we're definitely not giving up.

especially not now that we have a little princess to keep happy.

the current dream-list :

-to build a house on our land

- to own a business

-to get married when financially we can afford a dream-wedding

that's it , i know i'm quite the dreamer, but i'm a trooper also and believe that with hard work and pixiedust you can achieve anything

right or wrong?

well now, thank you so much if you read all of this, i truely appreciate it. nice to meet you also.

good day *       ***(go to the following link and see if this is Melody)
http://sitelife.parents.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/8/bcac3d8c-7666-4b00-a8a5-fd46397a0147.Medium.jpg
 

[Observer]

Hello PI..Good to see you!! 

[wreck]

would the child be Joran's and Melody's and Melody has covered that up and allowed someone else to believe that they are the father of Melody's baby?

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hi I AM NEW ; this is me. at 9/22/2007 8:16 PM CDT

hello everyone, i've been reading up on what you guys have been posting and really felt like joining.

so thought i'd introduce myself ( feel like venting as well so pardon me for this way-too-long post ): my name is Melody, first time mom, 20 years old.living on aruba

my baby is 5 months old and is by far the best thing to ever happen to me.

unlike other young moms my baby was planned. why? well we ( me and my boyfriend) felt ready for it. financially we knew we could make it, eventhough we would have to cut corners in the beginning.

i thought '' even if i have to struggle i WANT a baby and even if it was to be alot of work it sure will be worth it '' the love was definitely there even before she was conceived. we were ready to start our family. we had dreams, so many dreams, and one by one they started to come true : i got pregnant, we moved in together, he bought a car, my dad gave us a piece of land .... we wanted to be succesfull, i mean being young we knew we had time to work hard towards it.

at the moment our financial situation is wobbly (my boyfriend's dad lost his company. and with it he lost his job too)  he started working elsewhere ( earning a third of his prior paycheck) but now is at home for 3 weeks with no pay because he broke his arm playing paintball.

i got my dream job working at a bank. i always wanted to be an office woman with a desk of my own . but deep down i still ache to stay at home all the time with my baby girl.

we don't have alot of bills to pay because the house we are living in is his grandma's who is living elsewhere so all we got to pay is the electricity bill. the only other bill is his carloan. followed by the usual groceries for us and the baby. but being the big budgetter that i am i have faith that we will manage this month.

so being succesfull was easier to achieve when he was to take over the company, but we're definitely not giving up.

especially not now that we have a little princess to keep happy.

the current dream-list :

-to build a house on our land

- to own a business

-to get married when financially we can afford a dream-wedding

that's it , i know i'm quite the dreamer, but i'm a trooper also and believe that with hard work and pixiedust you can achieve anything

right or wrong?

well now, thank you so much if you read all of this, i truely appreciate it. nice to meet you also.

good day *       ***(go to the following link and see if this is Melody)
http://sitelife.parents.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/8/bcac3d8c-7666-4b00-a8a5-fd46397a0147.Medium.jpg
 

I have NO doubt that this is Melody in the RWV post and in the above "story." Purely speculation here, but her little story of a "planned" pregnancy at 20 years old when unmarried is BS. I think she is going WAY overboard trying to convince the world (and her live-in) that the baby is "his". I would love to see the "thought print" analysis of that story!!!

[GBMW]

Thanks GBMW

I'm always glad when people keep track of Renee.

Why aren't you walking the Arnhem streets with your camera phone??   
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[klaasend]

Yes, definately Melody Granadillo

[Blue Moon]

Yes, definately Melody Granadillo

Notice that her current boyfriend/father of the baby used to work for his father who owned a security company?  The company closed down (I read this on her other posts) and now he is trying to open the company up. 

[texasmom]

Hey everyone. I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother, and if he has a child, the mother of his child, would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? Wouldn't you risk his anger to at least try and provide his child with the chance to have a relationship with with his Dad, which will only be positive if Joran tells the truth and pays his debt? And considering Joran has confessed pretty damn formally twice, is it not obvious that Joran is asking for help?

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

Hi Private Eye! Good to hear from you!
You are right.  It is very obvious from Joran's activities that he is only going further down the road to self destruction.  His appearance has deteriorated, that was obvious on the P & W show that he was on with his parents where he threw the wine on Peter De Vries; and if the picture is actually him in Thailand he is looking more and more like a product of Rudy Croes, lol.  The enabling of Joran to cover and deny his involvement in Natalee's disappearance by all who assisted has only contributed to his demise.  The list of those enablers starts with his parents at the top of the list.  His "own father" whom I believe was a direct participant in the crime is willing to sacrifice the possibility of Joran ever having a decent life to hide the truth.  His mother and her "friends" continue to try to discredit Natalee and her mother as if any of their lies about them would justify what her husband and son have done!  It's absolutely ludicrous!  Paulus and Anita will reap what they have sown, I have no doubt.  They may have been willing to cast Joran out to save their reputations and status that is more important to them than their child.  But they also have two (Paulus possibly three) other sons that have seen what they've done and I believe that the consequences of their decisions will come back to haunt them for many years to come.  Just my opinion of course.