Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[Blue Moon]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

[private eye]

Post of Klaas by Fok
I am not  not someone who post on sites (and this is probably my 1st and last post here ...) but am equally to NWO been here after what I had read ....

That Renee Gielen is a mess of a lie all the time ....

Fact: Joran was in March in Thailand .... or do I go there sometimes eeneiige twin brother? And no, I have no pictures / movies ... I was on tour and did not know about the issue was that he did Saturday ... ie logical that after the broadcast was away from NL .... am ' m a few times I've encountered & aside from the vent. Who would now deal with some schoft? But the fact remains that you have enough information on 'm ... enough people who hear about' celebrity 'giant find interesting.

Fact: Mr. van der Sloot had a megaschuld by gambling & has a lot of people borrowed money (to the person what was the story that was where he presented the money needed for .... manipulator at top) ... Saturday was pretty up and nipped in the bud ... do not think there ie in a sort of Holland Casino, are gambling but I will say. He was not caught with drugs or something similar.

Fact: summonses are not within a few days in the first bus .... must still accept a civil case found and then the list of persons who may be heard ... there is a lot of time in it ... where Renee has Gielen its wisdom that this came within a few days all is settled? From the Story? Telegraaf? Certainly not Bram M. ... I still hope that may know how it is .... if I already know

Renee Gielen with its Thailand is a lie, subpoenas were within a few days in the bus must lie (which she apparently unexamined without itself with an ounce of brains to think ?)... and worse: Mart Bakx even ridicule (the post in Aruba is slow ).... that Joran, RTL Boulevard / Peter R. de Vries / Telegraaf etc. the deliberate use man is apparently one reason for her to make nice to join it and that man to smaller ones. And anyone with a little insight will understand how tenenkrommend that is. That woman should hang their heads in shame, check its sources well & lies not proclaim truth ... about someone should be taken seriously? Pleaaase say.

I don't quite understand this.  The poster is not our Klaas, correct?

Renee Gielen is a liar....I agree and understand.

megaschuld by gambling....????

now deal with some schoft...???

not sure what this means: do not think there ie in a sort of Holland Casino, are gambling but I will say. He was not caught with drugs or something similar.     Joran wasn't caught with drugs?  Did he see him in the casino?

the deliberate use man is apparently one reason for her to make nice to join it and that man to smaller ones....???

this was not a message from klaasend !

there cannot be that many people who post by klaas sounds like identity theft:) afterall when klaas speaks people listen:)

[klaasend]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

That's what it sounds like to me.

[dennisintn]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

That's what it sounds like to me.

whatever she has in mind, and whoever she is, the quicker she gets with it, the better.
dennisintn

[Observer]

Pathetic is correct Briany... They have been posting lies,hate and mis-information since the beginning about Natalee and her Mom..The only thing different about Rene'e is she doesnt hide under a blog name.

[texasmom]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

That's what it sounds like to me.

whatever she has in mind, and whoever she is, the quicker she gets with it, the better.dennisintn

I agree!

[MumInOhio]

Buckeye - I was just getting ready to post that too, lol    I hope it's real, it's about time Joran's old friends wake up.

I am still catching up, but my guess is the chick from New Jersey that was on the news.

I think the mere place where she "posted" this infers it's Melody. That is where she posted before. Someone (like the NJ girl), would pick a more mainstream place to post (like here, BFN, or RU). JMO

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.


Did Melody post at RWV first?

[Tamikosmom]

Yes, definately Melody Granadillo

Notice that her current boyfriend/father of the baby used to work for his father who owned a security company?  The company closed down (I read this on her other posts) and now he is trying to open the company up. 

So you're thinking Geofrey van Cromfort as the "father"???

Or Michael Dompig?  Is Dompig's security company still open?  If you look at the baby's picture it looks more like like Melody and not by a dutch boy as the father.  JMO

If Melody has no ancestor with fair skin or light eyes, then the dominant brown eyes & her coloring would be there, regardless. 

2NJSons_Mom ... recessive genes are not predictable.

My husband is Japanese and ... our three kids definitely reflect the mixed race.  They have been mistaken for Italian ... Mexican ... Native ...

However ... my daughter's three sons take after her blond hair ... blue eyed German husband in appearance (one has brown eyes).  Then ... her beautiful six year old daughter is her double.

My eldest son's 20 month old son takes after his French Canadian wife in appearance ... blond curly hair and blue eyes.

Janet
 

[GBMW]

Post of Klaas by Fok
I am not  not someone who post on sites (and this is probably my 1st and last post here ...) but am equally to NWO been here after what I had read ....

That Renee Gielen is a mess of a lie all the time ....

Fact: Joran was in March in Thailand .... or do I go there sometimes eeneiige twin brother? And no, I have no pictures / movies ... I was on tour and did not know about the issue was that he did Saturday ... ie logical that after the broadcast was away from NL .... am ' m a few times I've encountered & aside from the vent. Who would now deal with some schoft? But the fact remains that you have enough information on 'm ... enough people who hear about' celebrity 'giant find interesting.

Fact: Mr. van der Sloot had a megaschuld by gambling & has a lot of people borrowed money (to the person what was the story that was where he presented the money needed for .... manipulator at top) ... Saturday was pretty up and nipped in the bud ... do not think there ie in a sort of Holland Casino, are gambling but I will say. He was not caught with drugs or something similar.

Fact: summonses are not within a few days in the first bus .... must still accept a civil case found and then the list of persons who may be heard ... there is a lot of time in it ... where Renee has Gielen its wisdom that this came within a few days all is settled? From the Story? Telegraaf? Certainly not Bram M. ... I still hope that may know how it is .... if I already know

Renee Gielen with its Thailand is a lie, subpoenas were within a few days in the bus must lie (which she apparently unexamined without itself with an ounce of brains to think ?)... and worse: Mart Bakx even ridicule (the post in Aruba is slow ).... that Joran, RTL Boulevard / Peter R. de Vries / Telegraaf etc. the deliberate use man is apparently one reason for her to make nice to join it and that man to smaller ones. And anyone with a little insight will understand how tenenkrommend that is. That woman should hang their heads in shame, check its sources well & lies not proclaim truth ... about someone should be taken seriously? Pleaaase say.

I don't quite understand this.  The poster is not our Klaas, correct?

Renee Gielen is a liar....I agree and understand.

megaschuld by gambling....????

now deal with some schoft...???

not sure what this means: do not think there ie in a sort of Holland Casino, are gambling but I will say. He was not caught with drugs or something similar.     Joran wasn't caught with drugs?  Did he see him in the casino?

the deliberate use man is apparently one reason for her to make nice to join it and that man to smaller ones....???

this was not a message from klaasend !

there cannot be that many people who post by klaas sounds like identity theft:) afterall when klaas speaks people listen:)

It was KlaasJ that posted at Fok...so I guess he's of the hook for indentity theft

[GBMW]

Pathetic is correct Briany... They have been posting lies,hate and mis-information since the beginning about Natalee and her Mom..The only thing different about Rene'e is she doesnt hide under a blog name.

Pathetic is correct *******?   

That's not correct....that's an understatement! 

[Observer]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

I think Aruba has seen a dramatic change in wealthy Americans travelers as I bet many were replaced by retired Americans,Time share owners and ignorant cheap American's. Granted more Europeans and Venezuelans are visiting but they aren't making up for the lost revenue of the mid to upper class Americans. The Majority of these people watch tv,read the papers and wouldn't step anywhere near Aruba and the business that are used to them spending Money are gonna feel it first. Add in the big increase in inflation and they are feeling the pinch 

[bleachedblack]

Type in the word Security in the trade name area and you'll see there are several security companies listed:

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

VCB Electronics Security N.V. appears to be have been owned by VanCromviort. It states Not in Possession of a Business Establishment License.

[wreck]

Buckeye - I was just getting ready to post that too, lol    I hope it's real, it's about time Joran's old friends wake up.

I am still catching up, but my guess is the chick from New Jersey that was on the news.

I think the mere place where she "posted" this infers it's Melody. That is where she posted before. Someone (like the NJ girl), would pick a more mainstream place to post (like here, BFN, or RU). JMO

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.


Did Melody post at RWV first?

yes!

[Observer]

Buckeye - I was just getting ready to post that too, lol    I hope it's real, it's about time Joran's old friends wake up.

I am still catching up, but my guess is the chick from New Jersey that was on the news.

I think the mere place where she "posted" this infers it's Melody. That is where she posted before. Someone (like the NJ girl), would pick a more mainstream place to post (like here, BFN, or RU). JMO

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.


Did Melody post at RWV first?

Yes she did and she talked to Dan on the phone and trusts him. If she is gonna talk to anyone it may be him. She opened up a little at RWV and feels comfortable posting there and it makes perfect sense if that is her. She did reveal small details like Joran liking rough sex,his whereabouts and Freddy spending the night,but for the most part she defended Joran and said what a great guy he was and was innocent. She did it on national TV as well.

[bleachedblack]

CHAPTER 5 - GIRLFRIENDS

page 1:

- first serious relation with girl came when Joran was aged 14 with new girl at ISA (American girl named Jillian). She was blond, pretty, liked riding horse and surfing. Did nothing but hang with her all the time, neglected his friends. Her father worked for the Marriot hotel. She could get anything she wanted from her daddy when it came to material goods. Joran and her dated for a year but started experimenting after a few months (slowly but surely).

- when she had gone away on a 2 month vacation, things never got back to the "old ways" again. Spending every minute of the day almost together and then 2 months not seeing one another had made them drift apart (she felt). She had changed and later admitted she met someone while on vacation. Joran adds "so it was not my fault the relationship ended".

- his second girlfriend was Melody.

page 2:

- Joran met Melody together with her friend Abi in a hotel during Easter break.Koen, Sander, Jaime, Freddy and myself had rented a room there. A lot of locals do this during this vacation. Then you can party without interruption from your parents. Play a lot of loud music, booze up, chill and go out and relax. Nobody would bother looking at how late you got in.

- in the lobby they met Melody and Abi, Abi had been at the same school Joran had gone to. For some reason Joran walked up to her and said hi. When he saw Melody for the first time he knew it was good. She was perfect, not that she was super pretty, but there was something about her. It was love at first sight. Joran wanted to talk to her because of the way she talked and the way she moved. Melody smiled sweetly at me and he was very interested in her. Koen and David also liked her and we were talking amongst ourselves as to who would get her.

- Joran was sitting next to Melody on the couch and when he had gotten up and returned he saw David and Koen sitting on his place with Melody. Joran thought "whatever" and moved off. He said to Sander that he was not going to argue about a girl and said they should settle it amongst them, that he found the whole thing +++++++ and that he was out of there.

- David later asked if he could help him with Melody. Say a few nice things about him. Joran did this even though he had the hots for Melody himself. But in the end Koen and David were left standing as I got with her.

- One chat on MSN he can still clearly remember. Joran had asked her who she liked best, David or Koen, because she couldn't be with both. Melody answered that she did not like either, she liked him and from then on it was "on".

page 3:

- Joran was of the opinion one should never fight with friends about girls, you just can't do that. It was Melody's birthday and he was the only one with an invite, he went and some other time they went to the movies together and hooked up with each other while David and Koen were oblivious to that fact. But as Joran did not like the secrecy he owned up, David handled it well, Koen got a bit pissed off at Joran.

- what made Melody special was her smile and her aura. She was easy to talk to and she is also very sweet and would do anything for her friends. She has an outgoing personality and he had her own opinions (something Joran says he likes in a girl).

- she was also the only one he could not lie to. He did not know how that was possible. Joran tried to lie but she would see through him in a second and then he would own up. Joran would lie to her when he would go out with the gang and if one of her girlfriends had seen Joran kissing another girl then he would first deny it to her but she could see right through him.

- during that time Joran also met Karen. Koen and he went to watch the baseball world series at this girls house, they made a bet and Karen won that bet and wanted to go with Joran to the movies.

page 4:

- nothing happened during the movie. Karen knew he was going steady. He also knew that but it did not stop him kissing her at the end of the movie. The text messaged for a long time, they emailed for a long time and then she started writing him love-letters. She fell in love with him, he did not fall in love with her but they did have sex together and decided to not tell Melody about this. In this manner Joran could do them both.

- during a trip with a party bus (decorated bus with drinks and loud music that drives around the island) the whole mess came to a head. Both Melody and Karen were on the bus and when Joran saw David and Karen heavily kissing he confronted his friend and after some words had fallen it ended up in a fight. Joran thought David had done it to get back at him for stealing Melody from David and that Karen did it to make Joran jealous. Melody had been told by Karen that she and Joran were getting it on but Melody did not believe it. Most of Joran's friends however knew about his affair with Karen.

- In hindsight Joran says he should have let things go before it got into a fight, that he should have shut the hell up and he would have been free of Karen.

page 5:

- Melody did not understand the fight, Karen cried and walked over to me after the fight and not to David, that was the worst of it all.

- Karen demanded that Joran would dump Melody but Joran was in love, he did not want to. Karen threatened she would take action otherwise.

- then Karen flipped. She and Melody went to the same school. Karen got into Melody's face and confronted her. When Joran picked Melody up from school that day and she told him that Karen had said they had been sleeping together.

- Joran took Melody to see Karen and acted all innocent and said "why the shit would you say something like that" to Karen. Karen and I swore not to tell and she broke that promise. Joran kept denying denying denying.

- Melody believed Karen however, as Joran said, Melody knew when he was lying always.

- they stayed boyfriend and girlfriend for some time more but the writing was on the wall and when Joran was on vacation in the Netherlands she dumped him on the phone. She was crying on the phone, said that she loved him but that she felt she could not stay with him anymore. I had betrayed her trust before by kissing a girl and this was the straw that broke the camels back. The trust was gone and he was to blame.

- he felt terrible about this, wanted to go back to Aruba immediately to patch things up but Joran knew she was right, it was beyond fixing. He was made enough to hit himself in the head because he did not feel anything for the other girls.

page 6:

Joran was angry at Karen even though he was to blame too. He wanted nothing to do with her anymore and he made that clear to her. But somehow they still kept meeting each other. She would come to his door with "gifts" and still wanted to be with him, well, what is a boy to do then if that is the situation.

- Soon after splitting with Melody I got a new girlfriend and dumped Karen proper, she then went on to be David's girlfriend

- David remained a good friend and later we laughed loudly at what had happened

- After that Joran didn't want serious girlfriends anymore, he justed wanted to have fun. He also did not want to hurt anyone any more.

- when Joran went to school in the Netherlands he had hoped that Melody would also come and live in the Netherlands but she has another relationship now so they are just good friends.

- not long after that I met Susana. She is a very sweet girl with whom Joran was for 6 months. Joran went to a boat party one night with loads of cheap booze, he got very drunk and vomited. He was very sleepy but had no transport home so he called his mom to come and pick him up. In the middle of the night she drove down there to pick him up. It took 10 minutes for her to get there and Joran was sitting outside, sleepily, propped up by Susan who took care of him till his mom got there. His mom was happy that he had called but also angry and disappointed. It was the first time she saw Joran drunk.

[MumInOhio]

Type in the word Security in the trade name area and you'll see there are several security companies listed:

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

VCB Electronics Security N.V. appears to be have been owned by VanCromviort. It states Not in Possession of a Business Establishment License.

GVC and his dad did a presser in Holland around May 9th. 2006 threatening to sue…House was still for sale Dec. 2007…

[2NJSons_Mom]

Yes, definately Melody Granadillo

Notice that her current boyfriend/father of the baby used to work for his father who owned a security company?  The company closed down (I read this on her other posts) and now he is trying to open the company up. 

So you're thinking Geofrey van Cromfort as the "father"???

Or Michael Dompig?  Is Dompig's security company still open?  If you look at the baby's picture it looks more like like Melody and not by a dutch boy as the father.  JMO

If Melody has no ancestor with fair skin or light eyes, then the dominant brown eyes & her coloring would be there, regardless. 

2NJSons_Mom ... recessive genes are not predictable.

My husband is Japanese and ... our three kids definitely reflect the mixed race.  They have been mistaken for Italian ... Mexican ... Native ...

However ... my daughter's three sons take after her blond hair ... blue eyed German husband in appearance (one has brown eyes).  Then ... her beautiful six year old daughter is her double.

My eldest son's 20 month old son takes after his French Canadian wife in appearance ... blond curly hair and blue eyes.

Janet
 

Janet,

We are in agreement.  I was merely pointing out that brown is dominant and if Melody had no one in her family tree that carried a gene for blond/blue eyes, then the likelyhood that her child would have blond/blue eyes was slim to none.  I was not saying that the child would not resemble the father....My older son went to school with a girl whose parents met in a school for the deaf.  They both were born in Russia, but both had mixed background, including Japanese on both sides....  The father was more fair than the mother....their youngest was blonde and blue eyed.   

[BTgirl]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

It seems to me as if she is implying a more direct kind of injury to her family than the closing of businesses. The threat appears to relate to something Joran might tell a reporter, IMO.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

[Lala'sMom]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

It seems to me as if she is implying a more direct kind of injury to her family than the closing of businesses. The threat appears to relate to something Joran might tell a reporter, IMO.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn."

[BTgirl]

Is what Melody is saying is that because of Joran the island is suffering?  Because of him businesses have closed thereby hurting her family?  Maybe she is saying she has had enough and will take him down?

It seems to me as if she is implying a more direct kind of injury to her family than the closing of businesses. The threat appears to relate to something Joran might tell a reporter, IMO.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

"Hell hath no fury like a woman's scorn."

Hi Lalas

I was kind of wondering if Joran, in his self-centeredness, might say something to a reporter that would cause an "explosion" in the family of Melody (or whoever the writer was.) We know Joran likes to talk to reporters, and we know that he doesn't always necessarily tell the truth.