Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24/08 - 5/02/08

[wreck]

Briany:

Is it true that Pa v.d.Sloot visited the mother of the Kalpoe brothers, or is this just a rumour?

I personally never heard that -- but, I wouldn't doubt it for a second!

[Nut44x4]

Briany:

Is it true that Pa v.d.Sloot visited the mother of the Kalpoe brothers, or is this just a rumour?

I personally never heard that -- but, I wouldn't doubt it for a second!

Not sure I remember hearing it either, but would not surprise me at all.

[MumInOhio]

Briany:

Is it true that Pa v.d.Sloot visited the mother of the Kalpoe brothers, or is this just a rumour?

I personally never heard that -- but, I wouldn't doubt it for a second!

Not sure I remember hearing it either, but would not surprise me at all.

Good Morning All...It's in Joran's book that Nadira went to the Sloots one night before the arrests and that is when Paulus called, I believe Ooman and put her on the phone...

[Rob]

Mary Jane Plantation busted in Santa Cruz.
http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2211&Itemid=120

 POLIS A TOPA CU OCHO HOBEN ACTUANDO SOSPECHOSO NA SANTA CRUZ       PDF        Print        E-mail
Monday, 28 April 2008

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Un ciudadano di Santa Cruz a yama Warda di Polis pa reporta, cu algo pariba di Centro Deportivo Betico Croes lo tin plantacion di marihuana. Probablemente e momento ey, tin  poco hoben di EPB y Jan Fleming na e lugar.

 

Patruya di Santa Cruz a bay tira un bista y enberdad na ta bin topa cu boshi di hoben sinta y tambe un hut traha di palet.  Polis a tuma nomber y direccion di e mucha hombernan, pues nan inicialnan ta O.R. di 15 añ, B.K. di 18 aña, y J.D di 14 aña tur biba na Macuarina.

    Tambe e hoben A.B. di 20 aña biba na Ponton, J.H. di 15 aña di Jan Fleming, O.F. di 16 aña biba na  Zumbo, S.R. di 17 aña biba na Marawiel y N.V. di 16 aña di Papilon.

   Polis a constata tambe cu nan tin condom, potchi mata segun sospecha cu lo por tabata tin mata marihuana planta, un sker di beton tambe e ultimo polis a confisca.

   Ta intencion di polis pa controla e lugar cu frecuencia di awor en adelante.

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this will be handled through mediation and everyone will be happy on One Crappy Island.

I notice an A. B. was busted. And he's 20 years old.

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Des, great idea... I'm sure everyone will come up with something terrific. Keep up the great work.

[MumInOhio]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

lemme get this straight... you don't think the Kalpoes are involved? is that right?
 

Since I started reading more and more statements I start to think that this can be part of the smokescreen.
The brothers can be involved in the dropping of Joran and Natalee. It is very well possible that this was at the house of VdS or on a beach.

My idea is more and more that the Kalpoe brothers drove home after dropping Joran and Natalee, and were called by Joran later when they were at home for a long time.

As far as I wrote the statements this is very well possible. By blaming (and maybe pressuring) the Kalpoe's there will always stay a smokescreen.

It would not surprise me.

Well, your entitled to your opinion. However, I wonder why Satish would take a shower put on his Sunday best, and then pace the kitchen floor like a mutant ready to lose his virginity. All to have one drink? huh?

The Kalpoes are anything but innocent in my opinion.

Also, Deepak said to Jamie Skeeters he was not going back to jail because he knew too much and the judges knew it.  hardly sounds innocent to me.

Rob…I read this and have searched high and low for it. What I remember reading was Satish pacing the floor excited, as he never went out with his brother, and couldn’t wait for Deepak to come home. This came from Nadira.

This, I believe was Nadira’s first statement and after that she insisted that Satish picked up Deepak, as Deepak never drove to work. This was at 11PM and sometimes he stayed later, even though we know that the Internet Café closed at 10PM on Sundays.

If you can remember anything about Satish pacing, I would very much appreciate it! TIA


Rob…Thanks….Still plodding through all the info you found yesterday, and am not sure yet what it all really means. I have always looked at the FOLs and thought they were tied in someway. That was 1999, and an agreement reached in 2000. Which means the 10 year agreement is almost up!

[Rob]

Rob…I read this and have searched high and low for it. What I remember reading was Satish pacing the floor excited, as he never went out with his brother, and couldn’t wait for Deepak to come home. This came from Nadira.

This, I believe was Nadira’s first statement and after that she insisted that Satish picked up Deepak, as Deepak never drove to work. This was at 11PM and sometimes he stayed later, even though we know that the Internet Café closed at 10PM on Sundays.

If you can remember anything about Satish pacing, I would very much appreciate it! TIA


Rob…Thanks….Still plodding through all the info you found yesterday, and am not sure yet what it all really means. I have always looked at the FOLs and thought they were tied in someway. That was 1999, and an agreement reached in 2000. Which means the 10 year agreement is almost up!

Morning Mum You have it totally correct. That is the way Nadira Kettlewoppie (LOL) said it. She said Satish even took a shower (getting that troglodyte to take a shower is probably like hoping Haley's comet will pass over every night)... and Satish got all dressed up and was pacing around like it was his one shot in this lifetime to lose his virginity.

Mum, the other stuff is just more motive and reasons why the US Feds do nothing. They are eternally tied to Aruba. They can't do anything. I also found alot of stuff involving Curacao, but didn't post it.

[Rob]

by the way, Janet probably has the quotes from Nadira.

[Puzzler]

Rob,

A few days ago jackb was talking about the pictures he had but had never posted. You asked him to share the ones he thought were appropriate with us.  He countered with the pictures needing "certain work, etc." in order to see them when posted.  I think you had already signed off before jackb came back an offered to let you work with the pictures, I you wanted to. 

Did you see that offer and has anything transpired?  Thanks...

[Rob]

Hey Mum, I almost forgot. I found an agreement between someone in the US government and the authorities on Curacao that allows the use of the air base there. It might be called Howard Air base, but I can't remember. They came to some sort of financial agreement and the base was then turned over to the US air force. It didn't seem important enough to post all the parameters.

[MumInOhio]

by the way, Janet probably has the quotes from Nadira.

Thanks Rob...I hope Janet has that one...

That was one of 3 things that I have read and spent hours searching for...

 Another was that Hendrick Croes was Lorenzo van Rijn's lawyer when he was arrested for drugs, and the other that the Kalpoe's stepdad, Luis Ramirez worked in one of the hotels/casinos when all this happened.

I gave up looking, just hope I run across them one day!

[Rob]

Rob,

A few days ago jackb was talking about the pictures he had but had never posted. You asked him to share the ones he thought were appropriate with us.  He countered with the pictures needing "certain work, etc." in order to see them when posted.  I think you had already signed off before jackb came back an offered to let you work with the pictures, I you wanted to. 

Did you see that offer and has anything transpired?  Thanks...

Hi Ya Puzzler, and nice to see you again. I did see that post and didn't reply. That's my fault... I apologize to Jack. I'm sorry. I think Jack should just post them and let everyone see the images he is referring. I'm sure Carpe can do more with the images than I can and everyone should see whatever they are before they are changed.

Forwarding them to me is not going to help anyone. If the images are truly stellar and can do something to change the course of the investigation, Jack should call the FBI in his area.

[MumInOhio]

Hey Mum, I almost forgot. I found an agreement between someone in the US government and the authorities on Curacao that allows the use of the air base there. It might be called Howard Air base, but I can't remember. They came to some sort of financial agreement and the base was then turned over to the US air force. It didn't seem important enough to post all the parameters.

Thanks Rob...I will check it out, sounds different than on Aruba, I will check it out!

[Destiny]

Things to consider about the ad (IMO):
-- Where does Diario stand on the government workers plight? I would suggest solidarity
-- I would not "high-light" our "boycott"
-- positivity, yet seriousness
-- "sympathy" for their economic woes subtlety letting them know WHY they are suffering

Along the same lines I'm thinking Wreck!  We want the *heart*....sympathy of the Locals....we don't want to *bash* them....we appeal to them like a family member of theirs would...I know we can do it....I'm going to see if we can get Diario to help us with a *tip line*...do we have any bad feelings about Diario?   we should also set up our own tip line in the US...someone might feel safer *not* using an island phone number....ya know what I mean...

[Rob]

by the way, Janet probably has the quotes from Nadira.

Thanks Rob...I hope Janet has that one...

That was one of 3 things that I have read and spent hours searching for...

 Another was that Hendrick Croes was Lorenzo van Rijn's lawyer when he was arrested for drugs, and the other that the Kalpoe's stepdad, Luis Ramirez worked in one of the hotels/casinos when all this happened.

I gave up looking, just hope I run across them one day!

I've found that sometimes when you stop looking for a certain something it just pops up. Mum, it will re-appear. Just like the missing video. 

[Pita]

briany maybe you should ask Steve Cohen how he knew those things... after all he is the one that opened the cell door for Joran when he was released from KIA. I have the pictures from that day, if you don't believe me...Those pictures have been posted repeatedly. Steve Cohen knows exactly what happened. Tell me, why would Aruba need a spin machine like Steve Cohen if they were just telling the truth? The TRUTH needs no spin doctor.

The same Cohen who told the Kalpoe brothers were in this?

And you believe that?

lemme get this straight... you don't think the Kalpoes are involved? is that right?
 

Since I started reading more and more statements I start to think that this can be part of the smokescreen.
The brothers can be involved in the dropping of Joran and Natalee. It is very well possible that this was at the house of VdS or on a beach.

My idea is more and more that the Kalpoe brothers drove home after dropping Joran and Natalee, and were called by Joran later when they were at home for a long time.

As far as I wrote the statements this is very well possible. By blaming (and maybe pressuring) the Kalpoe's there will always stay a smokescreen.

It would not surprise me.

Well, your entitled to your opinion. However, I wonder why Satish would take a shower put on his Sunday best, and then pace the kitchen floor like a mutant ready to lose his virginity. All to have one drink? huh?

The Kalpoes are anything but innocent in my opinion.

Also, Deepak said to Jamie Skeeters he was not going back to jail because he knew too much and the judges knew it.  hardly sounds innocent to me.

Rob…I read this and have searched high and low for it. What I remember reading was Satish pacing the floor excited, as he never went out with his brother, and couldn’t wait for Deepak to come home. This came from Nadira.

This, I believe was Nadira’s first statement and after that she insisted that Satish picked up Deepak, as Deepak never drove to work. This was at 11PM and sometimes he stayed later, even though we know that the Internet Café closed at 10PM on Sundays.

If you can remember anything about Satish pacing, I would very much appreciate it! TIA


Rob…Thanks….Still plodding through all the info you found yesterday, and am not sure yet what it all really means. I have always looked at the FOLs and thought they were tied in someway. That was 1999, and an agreement reached in 2000. Which means the 10 year agreement is almost up!

CBS, 9-15-05
Dr. Phil Transcript - Nadira Ramirez

snipped...


Dr. Phil: Coming up, an exclusive interview with Depak Kalpoes’s mother. Now find out why she begged us not to air her comments when she realized what she had said…

Dr. Phil: Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men: Joran Van der Sloot, and two brothers, Depak and Satish Kalpoe. Now Jamie and two other investigators, Harold Kopus and John Weeks, who were working for us managed to get an exclusive interview with Depak and Satish’s mother, Nadira. Now she requested that we not show her face and after the interview she contacted Jamie a number of times asking to get her release back, saying please don’t run this… Here is it:( I want to bring you up to the night… that Natalee Holloway disappeared. What time did you get home that night? )

Nadira: Twelve, after twelve.

( What time do you think they got in? )
Nadira: I assess that it was not four in the morning. It’s like before three or maybe three o’clock. How I know they were home? Because I leave my room door always open when they step out, so when they come, they just close my door. And that’s the sign that they are home.

( Once Depak and Satish got back, they had been arrested… they told you about not telling the truth about the HI. )
Nadira: Come on, we all lie. We all lie. As big people. I know that I lie sometimes.

( There’s now pretty strong sexual assault charges…being leveled against the boys. )
Nadira: No. They say that they even didn’t touch her. I think that she had hard feelings for them also because they were black.

( What do you think happened to Natalee that night? )
Nadira: It’s really a mystery. Maybe she gone away, or she ran away with somebody else…or she still lives here, or she’s kidnapped by another person.

( If you could meet with Natalee’s mom, what would you say to her? )
Nadira: At this moment, I don’t want to meet with her. It’s her daughter, but it’s my two sons too, you know? They are all our kids. I will always say, and keep saying, that my kids are innocent. If she’s dead, then we have to find a body. It’s thousands of questions… that, you know, all of us are waiting for a solution. And I am begging the Lord, “Let this girl come out alive.” .........

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486416/posts

[Destiny]

High ho...high ho...it's off to work I go....see ya all tonight

[Tamikosmom]

by the way, Janet probably has the quotes from Nadira.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null

Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men, Joran van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Two of Dr. Phil's investigators, Harold Copus and John Weeks sat down for an exclusive interview with Deepak and Satish's mother, Nadira. She requested that her face not be revealed and after the interview made several attempts to keep what she'd said from being aired on Dr. Phil.

Interview:

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null

[Destiny]

by the way, Janet probably has the quotes from Nadira.

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null

Natalee Holloway was last seen on May 30th with three young men, Joran van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. Two of Dr. Phil's investigators, Harold Copus and John Weeks sat down for an exclusive interview with Deepak and Satish's mother, Nadira. She requested that her face not be revealed and after the interview made several attempts to keep what she'd said from being aired on Dr. Phil.

Interview:

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2732/?id=2732&isTip=&slide=1&null=null

Janet...You are the *quote keeper*....supreme....I bow down to you...

[Puzzler]

Rob,

A few days ago jackb was talking about the pictures he had but had never posted. You asked him to share the ones he thought were appropriate with us.  He countered with the pictures needing "certain work, etc." in order to see them when posted.  I think you had already signed off before jackb came back an offered to let you work with the pictures, I you wanted to. 

Did you see that offer and has anything transpired?  Thanks...

Hi Ya Puzzler, and nice to see you again. I did see that post and didn't reply. That's my fault... I apologize to Jack. I'm sorry. I think Jack should just post them and let everyone see the images he is referring. I'm sure Carpe can do more with the images than I can and everyone should see whatever they are before they are changed.

Forwarding them to me is not going to help anyone. If the images are truly stellar and can do something to change the course of the investigation, Jack should call the FBI in his area.

I agree with your remarks...thanks for the response.

[msmarple]

Hummm. The date on Diario's masthead updates every day, but the articles have not changed since Tuesday 04/29.