Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[briany]

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

Up till today there is no statement that the case is closed. As you know, rumours are going that the whole Island is involved.
Every sensible thinking person can understand that not the whole Island raped Natalee.
Maybe there was not even a gangrape, this suggestion can be sent in the world to construct somescreens, we just do not know, but it is very well possible.
Changing suggestions in definitions does not help much. Maybe the police is looking after the smoke curtains en looking in the first statements. As long as people refuse to accept that the possibility exists that not everybody they suspect has to be involved, one keeps running around in circles. What really happened to Natalee, only the person(s) who did something to Natalee know.
The people who know are most likely the ones who try to dreg other people into this and I believe there are some police officers knowing this. Why is all the attention on Joran and not on the Kalpoe brothers?


Where does the slavestory came from?

Satish 3 juli
The way Joran and the missing girl walked would bring them directly on the beach. In case Joran would have gone in another direction afterwards, I wouldn’t know since Deepak and I immediately drove away.

Satish 24 juni
On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.
Satish 13 juni
He told me Joran had called him while walking to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked barefoot because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach. That day Joran did not tell my brother exactly when had happened on the beach
Satish 13 juni
Between 2.30 and 3.00 a.m. at home I was called by my brother Deepak on my mobile phone XXXXXXX. He called me from his mobile phone, with the number XXXXXXX. My brother told me Joran just got a phone call from his father because the police stood in front of his house. They said it was about the girl. Joran also told my brother, that his father had told him people in front of the house were Americans. My brother told me, he and Joran immediately thought it was about the girl from Sunday.
Satish 13 juni
During the days after that Thursday, we met Joran more often to discuss the case of Natalee. I have to tell though, we could never talk alone because Joran´s father came between us all the time, to hear what we had to say. Joran´s father wanted to know everything but we did not tell him the truth.

Satish 11 juni
I had told the police that we had dropped off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel and that the girl had been walking towards a security guard. That was not true. That was a made up story. I had asked Joran what had happened with the girl. Joran told me the same story every time. Joran must tell where the girl is because he had stayed with the girl last.

Satish 11 juni
Two weeks ago my brother came home from work in the afternoon it was approximately 16.00 hours. My brother came to my room. He told me that during the day, while he was working, a boy had come up to him named Steve and that he had told him that he had seen us dropping off the girl at the Holiday Inn.I asked my brother how that was possible because we didn't drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn.

Satish 10 juni
My brother has also told me that Steve was also in Carlos & Charlies that night. My brother also told me that Steve had seen us coming out of Carlos & Charlies with the girl Natalee.

Were the VanderSloots trying to scare and intimidate the Kalpoe brothers?

It is possible that the Kalpoebrothers were thinking they dropped Joran and his (girlfriend) somewere.
Joran spoke Dutch and papiamento with the Kalpoe's. Natalee did not understand them. It was quite easy for Joran to fool both the Kalpoe brothers and Natalee.

[briany]

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?

[briany]

Satish 24 juni
On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

This one was fom Deepak on the 29th of june. (Excuse me).

And this one too

On your question whether I heard Natalee say in the car that her mother was Hitler's sister, that they owned a plantation and that they had black people as employees. I had only heard the word Hitler. The rest I did not hear. Joran told me later all the things the girl had said.

Joran spoke English because he went to the International School.

Did the Kalpoe brothers spoke English very well?

[Buckeye]

Satish 24 juni
On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

This one was fom Deepak on the 29th of june. (Excuse me).

And this one too

On your question whether I heard Natalee say in the car that her mother was Hitler's sister, that they owned a plantation and that they had black people as employees. I had only heard the word Hitler. The rest I did not hear. Joran told me later all the things the girl had said.

Joran spoke English because he went to the International School.

Did the Kalpoe brothers spoke English very well?

Deepak's English, on the Skeeter's tape, was pretty good....he even included slang.  The email he sent was clear.  His English is fine.

[briany]

Satish 24 juni
On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

This one was fom Deepak on the 29th of june. (Excuse me).

And this one too

On your question whether I heard Natalee say in the car that her mother was Hitler's sister, that they owned a plantation and that they had black people as employees. I had only heard the word Hitler. The rest I did not hear. Joran told me later all the things the girl had said.

[/b]Joran spoke English because he went to the International School.

Did the Kalpoe brothers spoke English very well?

Deepak's English, on the Skeeter's tape, was pretty good....he even included slang.  The email he sent was clear.  His English is fine.

So Deepak could understand and write English.
Do you believe Natalee started to talk about Hitler and Natalee told this stories, or do you believe Deepak only heard the word Hitler?

We do not know who started this conversation. It is possible that, when Natalee said she did not want to go with three men in a car, Joran, as big blond man (having in consideration the stories Joran told about the difference between black and white), told Natalee not to worry because Deepak en Satish were his slaves.

The slavestorie comes from somewere, otherwise it would not be used all the time.

[briany]

Deepak's English, on the Skeeter's tape, was pretty good....he even included slang.  The email he sent was clear.  His English is fine.
[/quote]

Buckeye, can you tell me were we can find the Skeeter's tape?

On the e-mail I found this:

As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.

Why would the parents of Joran talk agressive to the Kalpoe brothers?

[Buckeye]

briany

The only one to hear the slave comment was Joran.  If true, then I think, it would have been a remark to Joran for bossing the Kalpoes around.

There were a lot of preconcieved ideas about Americans and a girl from the south.  Dompig references no way, a girl from the south, would get in the car with two black guys.  They've been studying old textbooks....including German history.

Tapes can be found here.  Remember they are copies sent from Aruba to the site owner....they are not originals.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/

[Buckeye]

The email was to get the made up story on paper so they wouldn't forget it.  He played the innocent "student", in the email because that is what the media was calling them.  He was no student. Deepak states, already that first night, in mailing J Croes, that he was establishing an alibi.

[briany]

briany

The only one to hear the slave comment was Joran.  If true, then I think, it would have been a remark to Joran for bossing the Kalpoes around.

There were a lot of preconcieved ideas about Americans and a girl from the south.  Dompig references no way, a girl from the south, would get in the car with two black guys.  They've been studying old textbooks....including German history.

Tapes can be found here.  Remember they are copies sent from Aruba to the site owner....they are not originals.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/

How do we know it is really Deepak?

Do you think Joran rapes a girl together with his slaves?

[briany]

The email was to get the made up story on paper so they wouldn't forget it.  He played the innocent "student", in the email because that is what the media was calling them.  He was no student. Deepak states, already that first night, in mailing J Croes, that he was establishing an alibi.

Were can we find the E.mail?

[Buckeye]

The email was to get the made up story on paper so they wouldn't forget it.  He played the innocent "student", in the email because that is what the media was calling them.  He was no student. Deepak states, already that first night, in mailing J Croes, that he was establishing an alibi.

Were can we find the E.mail?

Go to this site.  Pick other references (at the bottom), then scroll to Deepak email.

http://hollowaycase.com/

[Buckeye]

briany

The only one to hear the slave comment was Joran.  If true, then I think, it would have been a remark to Joran for bossing the Kalpoes around.

There were a lot of preconcieved ideas about Americans and a girl from the south.  Dompig references no way, a girl from the south, would get in the car with two black guys.  They've been studying old textbooks....including German history.

Tapes can be found here.  Remember they are copies sent from Aruba to the site owner....they are not originals.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/

How do we know it is really Deepak?

Do you think Joran rapes a girl together with his slaves?

There is a statement regarding them all participating in the same room...but supposedly...not with the same girl....

[briany]

briany

The only one to hear the slave comment was Joran.  If true, then I think, it would have been a remark to Joran for bossing the Kalpoes around.

There were a lot of preconcieved ideas about Americans and a girl from the south.  Dompig references no way, a girl from the south, would get in the car with two black guys.  They've been studying old textbooks....including German history.

Tapes can be found here.  Remember they are copies sent from Aruba to the site owner....they are not originals.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/

How do we know it is really Deepak?

Do you think Joran rapes a girl together with his slaves?

There is a statement regarding them all participating in the same room...but supposedly...not with the same girl....

Steve told Deepak that he had seen them leaving with Natalee and that he had seen them dropping Natalee at the Holliday in.
Deepak told this is not possible because they did not drop Natalee at the Holiday in.

I have to believe Deepak here, because how comes Steve seeing the Deepak brothers leaving with Natalee from C&C and dropping her at the Holiday Inn?

That would be very coincidental.

The only explanation for Steven seeing Deepak leaving C&C with Natalee and dropping Natalee at the Holiday Inn is, if he had followed them.

But why did Steven told the Deepak he has seen him?
Is Steven friends of the VanderSloots?

[Peaches]

Sorry to hear Klaas is sick. Seriously maybe the dust from the renovation at her house?

Hi BB..I was thinking the same thing..She told me she could barely breath a few days ago

Good morning.  Just checking in and catching up.  The idea they were living in this house while all this work was going on concerned me greatly but in the midst of my own drama, I just hoped it was adequately ventilated.  This worries me greatly so I should keep on reading on ......oh nevermind......

[KarmaRoundUp]

briany

The only one to hear the slave comment was Joran.  If true, then I think, it would have been a remark to Joran for bossing the Kalpoes around.

There were a lot of preconcieved ideas about Americans and a girl from the south.  Dompig references no way, a girl from the south, would get in the car with two black guys.  They've been studying old textbooks....including German history.

Tapes can be found here.  Remember they are copies sent from Aruba to the site owner....they are not originals.

http://www.scrux.com/natalee/

How do we know it is really Deepak?

Do you think Joran rapes a girl together with his slaves?

There is a statement regarding them all participating in the same room...but supposedly...not with the same girl....

Steve told Deepak that he had seen them leaving with Natalee and that he had seen them dropping Natalee at the Holliday in.
Deepak told this is not possible because they did not drop Natalee at the Holiday in.

I have to believe Deepak here, because how comes Steve seeing the Deepak brothers leaving with Natalee from C&C and dropping her at the Holiday Inn?

That would be very coincidental.

The only explanation for Steven seeing Deepak leaving C&C with Natalee and dropping Natalee at the Holiday Inn is, if he had followed them.

But why did Steven told the Deepak he has seen him?
Is Steven friends of the VanderSloots?

I would have to believe that Steve Croes does at least know OF the van der sloots.joran had a free pass to Carlos&Charlies,he said he got it from the office inside C&C's,Steve was a DJ at a few places around hapless island.After Steve got fired from the Tattoo party boat(which was for sale right after Natalee*disappeared* but now has the same owner and has been refurbished),Steve was hired on at C&C's as a DJ.
I think the van der sloots are up to their sleazy eyeballs in laundered monies and that is how joran had free passes to C&C and some casinos all while being underaged.Everybody knows everybody on aruba.

[Lala'sMom]

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?

Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

[Lala'sMom]

Satish 24 juni
On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

This one was fom Deepak on the 29th of june. (Excuse me).

And this one too

On your question whether I heard Natalee say in the car that her mother was Hitler's sister, that they owned a plantation and that they had black people as employees. I had only heard the word Hitler. The rest I did not hear. Joran told me later all the things the girl had said.

[/b]Joran spoke English because he went to the International School.

Did the Kalpoe brothers spoke English very well?

Deepak's English, on the Skeeter's tape, was pretty good....he even included slang.  The email he sent was clear.  His English is fine.

So Deepak could understand and write English.
Do you believe Natalee started to talk about Hitler and Natalee told this stories, or do you believe Deepak only heard the word Hitler?

We do not know who started this conversation. It is possible that, when Natalee said she did not want to go with three men in a car, Joran, as big blond man (having in consideration the stories Joran told about the difference between black and white), told Natalee not to worry because Deepak en Satish were his slaves.

The slavestorie comes from somewere, otherwise it would not be used all the time.

Where do you think the slave stories came from? 

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

So do you want us all to give up and go away? 

[hotping]

Sorry to hear Klaas is sick. Seriously maybe the dust from the renovation at her house?

Hi BB..I was thinking the same thing..She told me she could barely breath a few days ago

Good morning.  Just checking in and catching up.  The idea they were living in this house while all this work was going on concerned me greatly but in the midst of my own drama, I just hoped it was adequately ventilated.  This worries me greatly so I should keep on reading on ......oh nevermind......

Peaches...I had the same thoughts about Klaas when diesel fumes were mentioned  ....I pray She is getting better....And I'm Very Happy to see that You are Doing Soo Well. 

[briany]

Satish 24 juni
On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

This one was fom Deepak on the 29th of june. (Excuse me).

And this one too

On your question whether I heard Natalee say in the car that her mother was Hitler's sister, that they owned a plantation and that they had black people as employees. I had only heard the word Hitler. The rest I did not hear. Joran told me later all the things the girl had said.

[/b]Joran spoke English because he went to the International School.

Did the Kalpoe brothers spoke English very well?

Deepak's English, on the Skeeter's tape, was pretty good....he even included slang.  The email he sent was clear.  His English is fine.

So Deepak could understand and write English.
Do you believe Natalee started to talk about Hitler and Natalee told this stories, or do you believe Deepak only heard the word Hitler?

We do not know who started this conversation. It is possible that, when Natalee said she did not want to go with three men in a car, Joran, as big blond man (having in consideration the stories Joran told about the difference between black and white), told Natalee not to worry because Deepak en Satish were his slaves.

The slavestorie comes from somewere, otherwise it would not be used all the time.

Where do you think the slave stories came from? 

From Joran and friends alias Shango and Simian?