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« Reply #120 on: May 04, 2008, 10:31:27 AM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.
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« Reply #121 on: May 04, 2008, 10:39:35 AM »

First of all - Klaas get well soon !!!! sorry to hear you have not been feeling well.

now this-

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A Windsurfer in the
WHITE HOUSE?
THE INTERVIEW

INTRO:
I flew to Nantucket on a July 4th weekend to meet John Kerry for the first time. His press secretary said I had half an hour and no more. During the short flight I wondered what could possibly be accomplished in such a brief encounter. Not being of a political persuasion, I knew little of the Democratic Senator from Massachusetts. So to have an intelligent interview with such a figure, a politician that's even been said to have presidential aspirations, was indeed out of my league.

The first time I came across John Kerry's name was at my desk. John KerryA written gift subscription card for "Senator John Kerry" was mailed in from a person by the name of T. Heinz. There was a little note of compliment to the magazine on the side of this card, which was naturally brought to my attention. At the time, our Premier Issue had just been launched and any recognition was a welcome boost.

A few years went by and I saw the headline in a Boston paper describing the marriage of a Senator John Kerry to a wealthy Republican woman by the name of Teresa Heinz. While it had been three years since the gift subscription, I thought a letter acknowledging the kind note might bring about an interesting story on the couple. [After all, wouldn't you be dying to know whether that gift subscription to American Windsurfer was the arrow that caught the Senator's heart?]

Another year passed before I wrote the letter but within a few weeks, Senator Kerry's press secretary called and said that the Senator was open for a possible interview. Still, four months flew by before an opening cleared and schedules were coordinated for a meeting on Nantucket.

In the mean time, I had quietly geared up for the meeting and began telling people about the possible interview. Surprisingly almost everyone I spoke to knew a little bit about John Kerry. Those who had an opinion painted a distinct picture. Comments such as "We fought against Seabrook Nuclear Plant and Kerry was the only one who listened." or "Kerry took a very unpopular position on the Vietnamese Commandos and fought for their rights and their compensations - because it was the right thing to do." The more I came to know about Kerry, the more I sensed an interesting story. That morning, I wondered - "How can I possibly do it in a half hour?"

I drove up the short driveway of Teresa Heinz's understated Nantucket beach house still smarting from the $138 a day car rental. Out of the corner of my eye I saw a windsurfing sail make its way out of the garage. I studied the sail; it was a high performance rig fitted with carbon booms and mast. I had wondered how good a windsurfer Kerry was and this immaculate equipment gave me a good inkling. I followed the sail and when it came off the man's head, I instantly recognized the thick gray hair and the distinct seafaring profile of a distant descendant of a family once involved in the China Trade and the early beginnings of the Massachusetts Bay Colony.

He saw me, smiled and called out "John!" To which I hailed, "John! You're a real boardhead!" We shook hands and surprisingly, his left hand reached up grabbed the back of my neck and said, "You betcha! Baby!" In that instant, I felt the embrace of friendship and became more interested in windsurfing with this man than conducting an interview with a Senator. ['Course the twenty knot wind blowing that morning was also very persuasive.] Kerry alluded to the fact that these were his last days of freedom and how dearly he cherished them. He told me of his desire to master the laydown jibe which prompted me to say, "Well! Let's go sailing!"

We sailed for two windy days on that Nantucket visit and since that weekend, Kerry and I managed to sail in Hood River, Oregon, San Francisco, Naushon, and most recently in Aruba. Each time, our schedules provided a narrow window of opportunity and amazingly, every time-the wind blew!

I went to Nantucket on a Sunday morning to interview the Senator and once again, the wind came up and we blew off the interview in favor of sailing. A week later, on June 11th, I flew to Washington hoping and determined that I would wrap up this fascinating and year long project. Incredibly, the next morning the Senator and I did sit down in his hideaway office in the Capitol building, away from the raging political demands. Here, far from the temptations of sailing, we finally put words to tape.

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American Windsurfer Magazine
http://www.americanwindsurfer.com/

Editorial: (603) 293-2721 Subscriptions: (800) 292-2772
FAX: (603) 293-2723 E-mail: info@americanwindsurfer.com
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not sure if this photo was taken on Aruba or not.
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« Reply #122 on: May 04, 2008, 10:41:55 AM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

I do not have any intention of distancing the Kalpoes. But if they have nothing to do with this, they have nothing to do with this.
There are some people for who it is very important that the Kalpoe STAY suspected, probably with a very good reason.
Joran was telling the story there was blood in de car of the Kalpoe's.

It appeared not to be true.

This is weird:

Satish 11-06-2005

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Two weeks ago my brother came home from work in the afternoon it was approximately 16.00 hours. My brother came to my room. He told me that during the day, while he was working, a boy had come up to him named Steve and that he had told him that he had seen us dropping off the girl at the Holiday Inn. My brother had told me that Steve could tell in detail how he had seen us leave Carlos & Charlies and had seen us later at the Holiday Inn. Steve supposedly also saw how the girl had fallen down and how our long friend had helped the girl get back to her feet. My brother had told me that this guy Steve had given him his phone-number, just in case he had to go to the police and give a statement as a witness. According to my brother this guy Steve told him that he was supposed to go to work that day, but that he didn't go to work. My brother had told me that he had seen Steve before, but that he hadn't known his name. I asked my brother how that was possible because we didn't drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn.

To your question as to what I think the story of this Steve is all about, I can state the following. My brother and me both thought it was strange. I cannot give any explanation for it.

To your question whether I believe what Joran had told us, I can state the following. I do not believe everything that Joran had told us. I think that Joran did not tell the truth to us.


Besides Steve both parents of Joran were telling the Kalpoe's they were in trouble.

That's weird too.



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« Reply #123 on: May 04, 2008, 10:42:28 AM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.
How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?
I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.
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« Reply #124 on: May 04, 2008, 10:53:51 AM »

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with this case, I'll eat my laptop. They should be fuming at the Van Der Sloots and not Dr. Phil if they had nothing to do with it... and they would have turned over the documents requested by the Dr. Phil attorneys months ago.

nice that they hide behind Article 45. NOT!!!

Any other entity suing as the Kalpoes have and not turning over the docs -> the case would have been dismissed 6 months ago. It's apparent that the CA civil suit judge is bending over backwards for those cretins.
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« Reply #125 on: May 04, 2008, 10:57:42 AM »

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

So do you want us all to give up and go away? 

People worldwide still read here... and if anything it keeps the world aware of the lack of JUSTICE in Aruba.
If it saves one girl....and my guess is Natalees fate sadly has saved many girls .....then it is worth us all being here.
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« Reply #126 on: May 04, 2008, 10:58:49 AM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.
How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?
I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.


How come you are so sure that the Kalpoe brothers are involved?

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When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul, so I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered the phone and signalled me to turn the volume of the music down. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police were at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “What is up up/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.


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After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.


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Joran had said to the mother in English that she should believe him and that he hadn't done anything bad to her daughter. The woman looked angrily at Joran and said to him that she knew that it had been him on the camera of the casino together with the girl, and that it had been Joran with whom she went to Carlos & Charlies, and that they hadn't seen on the camera of the lobby that we had brought her back, contradictory to what we had claimed. The woman asked Joran again what he had done with her daughter. Joran said he had done nothing. The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this. After that Joran said to her that he would help her any way possible to get her daughter back.

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We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride.

Are these the words of an experienced liar.

Sorry for the word "rape". It are not my word, I took the word from Mrs. Holloway.
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« Reply #127 on: May 04, 2008, 11:03:38 AM »

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with this case, I'll eat my laptop. They should be fuming at the Van Der Sloots and not Dr. Phil if they had nothing to do with it... and they would have turned over the documents requested by the Dr. Phil attorneys months ago.

nice that they hide behind Article 45. NOT!!!

Any other entity suing as the Kalpoes have and not turning over the docs -> the case would have been dismissed 6 months ago. It's apparent that the CA civil suit judge is bending over backwards for those cretins.

They are slaves, remember
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« Reply #128 on: May 04, 2008, 11:05:58 AM »

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with this case, I'll eat my laptop. They should be fuming at the Van Der Sloots and not Dr. Phil if they had nothing to do with it... and they would have turned over the documents requested by the Dr. Phil attorneys months ago.

nice that they hide behind Article 45. NOT!!!

Any other entity suing as the Kalpoes have and not turning over the docs -> the case would have been dismissed 6 months ago. It's apparent that the CA civil suit judge is bending over backwards for those cretins.

They are slaves, remember

Slaves of Joran. It is possible that they were intimidated and scared by the VanderSloots, we do not know.

Not everybody is lying constantly. Joran does and his parents are making up till today, weird stories.
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« Reply #129 on: May 04, 2008, 11:09:26 AM »

more on Kerry in Aruba windsurfing
http://tinyurl.com/53a9d8

article not dated, but it appears to be during his run for President.

John Kerry was having a miserable time with himself. His second day in Aruba was not coming together as well on the water as he would have liked. He came to Aruba to master the carving jibe, a turning maneuver that redirects the sailor to the opposite direction without stopping. This was his personal goal for the John Kerrytrip and he was falling short of the mark. Frustration was setting in after two hours of struggle. The gusty wind and new equipment were confusing. He broke a mast when a sudden gust catapulted him off the board and he was forced to drag the broken gear to a scaffold I had set up to take pictures. I could see steam coming out of his head as he tried to figure out what it was that he was doing wrong. I asked Kerry if he would like to climb up and see the stunning sight. Sitting fifteen feet high, surrounded by crystal clear turquoise water, the view was a good reprieve, and it wasn't long before the rescue boat came with another sail to replace his broken wing. Because he was having difficulties, I thought he would take his time before returning to the struggle. But as soon as the boat was near, without hesitation, Kerry leaped off the high platform, grabbed the new sail and quickly sailed away to face the challenge. It was clear he had some unfinished business to take care of and needed to return to the battle. Later in the afternoon, I sailed out to join Senator Kerry. He had struggled for most of the day. Now he is in sync. I saw him balanced between the forces of the shifting wind. He hooted at me and I shouted back. We sailed together for a few minutes before he retired. The sun was low when I watched him sail away and I thought to myself, "Now here is a... windsurfer who could be PRESIDENT!"

this picture is accompanying the portion on Aruba.


this is the same gear he is wearing in the earlier image

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It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.


I can only assume along with two Aruban attorneys ... there was a foundation that Karen Janssen derived from which warranted the rearrest of Deepak and Satish in August, 2005..

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AUGUST, 2005

Deepak Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

Satish Kalpoe - Suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder, alternately together with other people murdering somebody, more alternately rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences and even more alternately, raping somebody and new suspicions.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9118769/

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/26/aruba.arrests/index.html


Helen Lejez
NANCE GRACE
August 26, 2005


HELEN LEJUEZ, TWITTY FAMILY ATTORNEY: I don`t think this has to do with a lot of wiretapping. I do believe it has to do with bringing forth the new evidence. It has to do with the case approaching the 60 days and that they are adding new evidence so they can have the case going.

GRACE: OK, what new evidence, Helen?

LEJUEZ: The rape case.

GRACE: OK. You said new evidence. What "new evidence" regarding Natalee Holloway do you think prosecutors have?

LEJUEZ: Right now, they`re talking about a gang rape. So when we talk about a gang rape, we talk about a gang. The gang consisted of three of them. Right?

GRACE: Right.

LEJUEZ: Even though -- even though maybe it`s not out that the other suspect that`s in jail right now will be added to the gang, he is part of the gang.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html


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August 30, 2006


ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, I think it's a big moment, Greta. You know, the prosecution and the investigation is moving very carefully. They don't want to make more mistakes, and they are very careful. So they must have had some real, real evidence and new facts that they felt confident enough to haul them back in.
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ELLIS-SCHIPPER: Well, it means that the investigation is moving forward and there's hope that we might go towards a trial because, at first, I was doubting whether we were even facing a trial. It shows that the police have done some good work and apparently gathered evidence, new evidence enough for to bring them back in custody.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,167372,00.html






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« Reply #131 on: May 04, 2008, 12:16:51 PM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.
How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?
I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.


How come you are so sure that the Kalpoe brothers are involved?

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When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul, so I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered the phone and signalled me to turn the volume of the music down. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police were at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “What is up up/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.


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After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.


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Joran had said to the mother in English that she should believe him and that he hadn't done anything bad to her daughter. The woman looked angrily at Joran and said to him that she knew that it had been him on the camera of the casino together with the girl, and that it had been Joran with whom she went to Carlos & Charlies, and that they hadn't seen on the camera of the lobby that we had brought her back, contradictory to what we had claimed. The woman asked Joran again what he had done with her daughter. Joran said he had done nothing. The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this. After that Joran said to her that he would help her any way possible to get her daughter back.

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We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride.

Are these the words of an experienced liar.

Sorry for the word "rape". It are not my word, I took the word from Mrs. Holloway.
If you are going to take words(from what happened to Natalee on aruba)then also add:murder,kidnapping,coverup and injustice.
These statements above are made by deepak and satish right?Didn't deepak also say in a statement that the night after Natalee disappeared,joran called him on the phone and they met at the casino then went to joran's house?
Wasn't there also 2 guys who saw deepak's car at the van der sloots house BEFORE Beth arrived there that same night?
So was deepak with joran or not(the night after Natalee's disappearance)?
And like Rob stated above,IF the kalpoe's had/have nothing to hide,IF they were not directly involved in the kidnapping,murder and rape of Natalee....why have they not turned over all documents requested in their case against doc Phil?
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« Reply #132 on: May 04, 2008, 12:19:09 PM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.
How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.

How come you are so sure that the Kalpoe brothers are involved?

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Briany,you have not answered my question above.
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« Reply #133 on: May 04, 2008, 12:27:42 PM »

Briany

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway then are they just plain stupid?  They must be real idiots to have cooperated with the Sloots for so long.  I don't know anyone that would have allowed themselves to be intimidated or coerced as the Kalpoes have been.  The Kalpoes have had their chances over and over to clear themselves of any wrongdoing...the only time they have ever been released of anything was when Joran last confessed he allowed Natalee to die on the beach in his presence. 

And as for Shango and Simian....maybe you should read that forum a little more...you would like them...they never....ever implicate the Kalpoes or Joran in anything.  If you know so much about Shango and Simian maybe you could tell us who they really are and while you are at it please enlighten us as to who Alcazar and Gordon are also...not to mention all those other nicknames of people that think it's anyone but Joran...and Paulus....and the Kalpoes...better yet...why would Freddy need to tell the truth?  Why hasn't he cleared the Kalpoes of any wrong doing?  It seems pretty obvious that Deepak and Satish feel he could. 

The Kalpoes could easily clear their name if they would comply with the law and produce the documents needed in the Dr. Phil case...I wonder why they have yet to do that?  The mere fact that Deepak knew what was going to happen and yet allowed Joran to be in charge and Natalee remain in the car tells me he is not innocent in all this.  Deepak was the oldest in the car and he was the driver... he was responsible for taking care of his guest...but then again that would be an old fashioned attitude that might include some morals also.  Don't think I have seen that very often in those young punks on Aruba. 

Prove to me that the Kalpoes are not implicit in Natalee's disappearance and I will issue you an apology.

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« Reply #134 on: May 04, 2008, 12:39:38 PM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.
How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?
I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.


@Karmaroundup,

Your tone is very agressive. I do not understand why. I find this suspicious.

I only mentioned that I was not sure if the Kalpoe brothers are not involved, I try to explane why and it upsets people.

Weird.
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« Reply #135 on: May 04, 2008, 12:59:11 PM »

Briany

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway then are they just plain stupid?  They must be real idiots to have cooperated with the Sloots for so long.  I don't know anyone that would have allowed themselves to be intimidated or coerced as the Kalpoes have been.  The Kalpoes have had their chances over and over to clear themselves of any wrongdoing...the only time they have ever been released of anything was when Joran last confessed he allowed Natalee to die on the beach in his presence. 

And as for Shango and Simian....maybe you should read that forum a little more...you would like them...they never....ever implicate the Kalpoes or Joran in anything.  If you know so much about Shango and Simian maybe you could tell us who they really are and while you are at it please enlighten us as to who Alcazar and Gordon are also...not to mention all those other nicknames of people that think it's anyone but Joran...and Paulus....and the Kalpoes...better yet...why would Freddy need to tell the truth?  Why hasn't he cleared the Kalpoes of any wrong doing?  It seems pretty obvious that Deepak and Satish feel he could. 

The Kalpoes could easily clear their name if they would comply with the law and produce the documents needed in the Dr. Phil case...I wonder why they have yet to do that?  The mere fact that Deepak knew what was going to happen and yet allowed Joran to be in charge and Natalee remain in the car tells me he is not innocent in all this.  Deepak was the oldest in the car and he was the driver... he was responsible for taking care of his guest...but then again that would be an old fashioned attitude that might include some morals also.  Don't think I have seen that very often in those young punks on Aruba. 

Prove to me that the Kalpoes are not implicit in Natalee's disappearance and I will issue you an apology.



@Lala'smom,

You do not have to apologize to me. It is not to be prooven by us that the Kalpoe's are innocent or guilty.
I think the story about Steven, done by Satish in one of his statements, combined with some other stories of the Kalpoe's, combined with the tape in the car, tell a lot.

I try to read the official statements and do not believe what "people suggest".
It's the statements, they can tell a lot. Not Shango and Simian. If they really cared, they would have gone to the police or told the truth on the Internet a long time ago. They did not.

I suspect Shango and Simian of being part of the smokescreens.

http://hollowaycase.com/

The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

Whether and how far the Deepak brothers are (with or without their knowlegde) involved, we do not know.

Joran told in the tape that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this and that they are very stupid. In the Jensen show Joran is suggesting Deepak did it.

I think Joran tells the truth in the part in the Joran tape, were he says the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this.
When I read the statements of the Kalpoe brothers, I think they speak the truth most of the time.
Joran ordered them to lie about the dropping at the Holiday Inn. Joran ordered them to tell he was doing this and that with the girl.

Joran did this with a reason.
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« Reply #136 on: May 04, 2008, 01:28:35 PM »

If you read the tape taken in the policecar, and while reading the tape keeping in mind that Joran knew it was taped and the Kalpoe's did not, it is a complete different conversation.

www.hollowaycase.com/

We do not know the Kalpoe brothers are innocent but it would not surprise me if the Kalpoe brothers are very much needed to keep up the smokescreen to cover other people.

Joran told in his book about the problems between white and black.  I could not find any other sourse for the slave and Hitlerstories than Joran and his book.

Why is someone playing Shango and Simian? Ever thought about that?


Could you explain to me why you seem to want to distance the Kalpoes from all this?  Is it because you actually feel they are not involved?  Several people have claimed they were not involved other than guilty by association.  Just wondering.


And not to Shango and Simian...don't we all "play" when we use nicknames?  None of us are who we seem, I am sure.  That is the beauty of the internet...in fact, you could be talking to Shango right now. 

It obviously does not suit some people when it would appear that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with the "rape" of Natalee.
How does it appear(to you,in your opinion)that the kalpoes had nothing to do with the(your word)rape of Natalee?
I think we are talking about a LOT more than rape with this case.


How come you are so sure that the Kalpoe brothers are involved?

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When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul, so I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered the phone and signalled me to turn the volume of the music down. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police were at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “What is up up/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.


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After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.


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Joran had said to the mother in English that she should believe him and that he hadn't done anything bad to her daughter. The woman looked angrily at Joran and said to him that she knew that it had been him on the camera of the casino together with the girl, and that it had been Joran with whom she went to Carlos & Charlies, and that they hadn't seen on the camera of the lobby that we had brought her back, contradictory to what we had claimed. The woman asked Joran again what he had done with her daughter. Joran said he had done nothing. The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this. After that Joran said to her that he would help her any way possible to get her daughter back.

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We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride.

Are these the words of an experienced liar.

Sorry for the word "rape". It are not my word, I took the word from Mrs. Holloway.
If you are going to take words(from what happened to Natalee on aruba)then also add:murder,kidnapping,coverup and injustice.
These statements above are made by deepak and satish right?Didn't deepak also say in a statement that the night after Natalee disappeared,joran called him on the phone and they met at the casino then went to joran's house?
Wasn't there also 2 guys who saw deepak's car at the van der sloots house BEFORE Beth arrived there that same night?
So was deepak with joran or not(the night after Natalee's disappearance)?
And like Rob stated above,IF the kalpoe's had/have nothing to hide,IF they were not directly involved in the kidnapping,murder and rape of Natalee....why have they not turned over all documents requested in their case against doc Phil?


I do not know about "not handing over documents to Dr. Phil".

I hope you do not mind telling us were we can find it, so we can read it ourselves.


I think you mean this statement. I gives a lot of answers on your questions.

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PROCES-VERBAAL

Statement Suspect D.S. KALPOE

We, Clyde Anthony BURKE and Shaniro Baldrik KELLY, respectively sergeant first class and sergeant with the Korps Politie Aruba and both detached to the section Often occurring crimes District 11, declare the following.

On June 13th 2005 at about 10:20 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.. Before the interview/interrogation started the suspect D.S. KALPOE was informed that he was not obliged to answer the questions. and that his statement would be recorded on videotape.

The statement he made in Dutch was transcribed and went as follows. "To your question as to what I did on Monday June 30th 2005, I will say the following.

On that Monday in question, I woke up around 13.30 hours. When I came out of my room, I saw that Satish had also come out of his room. Our mother came up to us, and was angry, and talked to us about the fact that we went out and that Satish hadn't gone to school. I walked through the living room and turned on the television. My brother joined me there and we watched the television. At some point I got up and went to my mother and asked her if Satish's school had indeed called about him. After this I went back to my room and switched on the computer.

I immediately went on "msn" and started chatting with my boss and my co-worker. It is a habit of mine that I switch on my computer and go to “msn” when I get home. After that I left my room and bathed. After this I ate. At about 15.30 hours, my brother drove me to work with my car because I do not want to park my car in the parking lot. After that I started working.
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At about 18.00 hours, I called Joran on his mobile phone. I had called him with the telephone from where I work. The phone number there is 588xxxx. I asked Joran, how he was doing and if he had gone to school.

I forgot what he told me, but I asked him subsequently what he was doing now. Joran told me that he at that moment in time was in the casino of the Wyndham and that he was there together with our friend Guido. I do not know Guido's last name. I do know that he works at the Excelsior Casino as a dealer, I told Joran that I would call later and after that I hung up the phone. Then I continued working.

At about 23:00 hours, I called Joran again on his mobile phone using the telephone of my workplace. I asked him again how he was doing and what he was doing. Joran told me that he was in the Raddison casino together with Guido. I told him that I would be coming to where he was. Joran asked me, are you going to come? I said to him, yes, I am going to come. After this I hung up the phone.

I have to remark that there was a chance that I called my brother on his mobile phone with the telephone from my workplace. Sometimes I do that and sometimes I don't. I do not know if I did it that day.

At about 23:05 hours, my brother came and picked me up with my car. We then drove home. My brother was driving the car. We took the main road to our house. On the way home, I told Satish that Joran was at the casino and that i was going to meet him there. My brother wanted to come too. I told him he wasn't allowed to come, I also told him that he hadn't gone to school and that I didn't want any trouble with my mother.

Between 23:25 hours and 23:35 hours, we arrived home. Satish got out of the car and I got behind the steering wheel. After that I drove through town to the Raddison Casino.

At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotet. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" in the Radisson Casino. I know that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

At about 02:15 hours, we, that is Andre and me, said to Joran that we weren't having fun anymore, and that he should cash in his chips so that we could leave. Joran was in agreement and went to cash in his chips. After this Joran exited the poker room and went to the bathroom. When he was done the four of us went into the casino and stood there. We had been talking about the tourist that had been looking for trouble. Because all of the blackjack tables in the casino were full, Joran and I decided to go to the Wyndham Casino. Guido had said that he was going home and that he would drop off Andre at his place. Joran and me walked to my car that was parked on the parking lot. We got into the car and we drove to the Wyndham Hotel.

When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul, so I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered the phone and signalled me to turn the volume of the music down. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

Joran turned to me and said that the police were at his house and that it had been his dad on the phone just now. Joran said that it was about a girl that we went out with last night. Joran looked at me and said: “Shit, that is the same girl we went out with last night”. Then he said at the same time: “What is up up/wrong with this f***ing bitch”.

After that Joran said to me: “Hey, look. If the police asks about it then we will just say we went away with the girl from Carlos & Charlies, that we did a bit of a road-trip, that he kissed and fingered her, that she fell asleep in the car, that we dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, that she had fallen down, that he had helped her up and that she walked off”. I said to Joran that it was OK, it was fine. Joran than said to me, let's go home. We then drove from the Wyndham Hotel to Joran's house.

At approximately 02:40, we arrived at his house, but no-one was there. Joran phoned his father. The father had left with the police to meet with us at the Wyndham. Joran's father told him to stay at the house and that he was going to come back to the house now. I had turned up the volume of the music in my car to loud. At some point the woman that lives next door to Joran came out and called Joran over to her. The neighbor told Joran to turn the volume of the music down, she had a baby in the house and the music was too loud. Joran came over to me and told me to turn the volume down. Then borrowed Joran's phone and called Satish. I told Satish what Joran had told me. The conversation lasted about 3 to 4 minutes.
After about 10 minutes Joran phoned Satish. Joran verified with Satish if he remembered the story correctly. Joran talked to Satish about 3 minutes.

We waited approximately another 7 minutes. Joran's father came together with the police, a white van with the family and a green Yaris. I think the mother of the girl was in the back of the Yaris. The officers approached us. They had separated us. I am not sure who she was, but a woman came up to us with a picture and asked us if we had gone out with this girl yesterday. I said yes. I think Joran also said yes. After that the police asked us what exactly had happened. I then told the Holiday Inn story to the police officer. That was the made up story. After that I asked the officer what exactly was the matter. The officer answered that the girl had gone missing. After that my conversation with the officers ended and they went to talk to Joran. Joran had told his story. One of the family members said in English to Joran that he was lying and that they saw Joran and the girl on the videocameras of the Windham casino earlier that afternoon. Then I asked if she was missing or if they saw her on the camera. An American man said to me: "Yes, because you two assholes went out with her yesterday and now she is missing". Then Joran's father got angry and said to the man in English: "You are out of your jurisdiction". The police then calmed the situation down. After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time. The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police. I have to admit that I had made up the story of the security guard. Joran acted a bit difficult, but we decided to go to the Holiday Inn. I locked my car. Me and Joran and his dad got into the back of the police car. We drove to police station Noord. I guess they were asking for permission. Then we drove from the police station to the Holiday Inn.

Between 03:20 hours and 03:25 hours, we had arrived at the Holiday Inn Hotel. When we arrived there, the police officers went to the manager of the security guards to try and get the details of the security guards that worked at the hotel. We had remained outside in front of the entrance. We just waited. Joran and his dad were talking at the police car. I could not hear what they were saying. I stood at one of the concrete pillars in front of the lobby. The man who had driven the green Yaris called me to come over to where he was. I went over to him. The man was sitting in the car. The man asked me in Papiamentu whether or not the story we told was true. I said yes to him. During the conversation I had with him, I had for one reason or another shot my mouth off and said something about the sport shoes. The man asked me what I meant by sport shoes. I then said to him that I was thinking about something unrelated. Then I said to him that it was bothersome, because my mother was waiting for me. The man asked me if I wanted to call my mother. I said to him, yes, but I don't have any more minutes. The man then asked me for the number. I gave the man Satish's number. The man punched in the numbers and gave the phone to me. Satish answered the phone. I pretended that it was my mother on the line. I told Satish: “Mommy, I am now at the Holiday Inn but I will be home soon”. The reason I gave Satish's number is because I didn't want to talk to my mother. I wanted to get away from the Holiday Inn as soon as possible. The reason I wanted to leave is because I knew that the security guard didn't exist. We were never at the Holiday Inn. When I handed the phone back to the man, I saw the mother of the girl for the first time. She was in the back of the car. Then I asked the man since when was the girl missing. The man answered me since that afternoon. At one point Joran came and stood with us. Joran looked into the car and asked the man in the car whether the woman in the back was the mother. The man answered him, yes. Joran walked to the mother. Joran asked her if she was the mother. The mother kept looking seriously at Joran and said, yes. Joran had said to the mother in English that she should believe him and that he hadn't done anything bad to her daughter. The woman looked angrily at Joran and said to him that she knew that it had been him on the camera of the casino together with the girl, and that it had been Joran with whom she went to Carlos & Charlies, and that they hadn't seen on the camera of the lobby that we had brought her back, contradictory to what we had claimed. The woman asked Joran again what he had done with her daughter. Joran said he had done nothing. The woman answered Joran that she didn't believe him and that he was going to suffer for this. After that Joran said to her that he would help her any way possible to get her daughter back. Then we walked to the lobby. Joran went and stood with his father. There were also a few men at the hotel who said they were from the FBI. There was also a woman who was looking for something in the papers from the hotel. I went and sat on one of the bar stools that were in the lobby. The whole process of looking and talking lasted to approximately 05.45 hours. Joran's father had then said that Joran needed to go to school, and that the family members should go to the police and file a missing persons report. Joran and me got back into the police car. Joran's father remained behind and spoke with the family members and the people who said they were from the FBI. I had seen from the window of the car that Joran's father greeted the people and then he walked to the police car. Then we drove off in the police car. That is the last time I saw the family members of the missing girl in person. The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house. One of the police officers in the car said that he knew Joran, he had been to Joran's house once, because someone had thrown a brick through his window.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room. Joran's father said to us, see boys what kind of problems this had caused. Then he asked us what we had learned from this. I answered, never offer someone a ride. Joran agreed with me. It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door. Joran also said that he had to go to school later. His father also asked him what time he had to go to school. I didn't hear what answer Joran gave his father. I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door. When I stepped inside Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on. I had told him that the girl that we went out with, had gone missing. And that they are saying that we are the last people with whom the girl was last seen. Then I told him the story of the security guard. That story I hadn't told Satish on the phone. Satish asked me if we were in trouble and I said that I didn't think so because we weren't the ones who had been kissing her. After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

To your question as to what Joran was wearing that day from Monday to Tuesday when he went to the casino, I can say the following. He had on a light blue T-shirt and short trousers. I think the afore mentioned trousers were blue but I am not sure of that. He wore blue slippers.

To your question as how Joran addresses his father, I can say the following. Joran addresses his father with his name, he says Paul to him. His mother he does address with “Mama” or “mom”.

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following. The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.

To your question whether Joran is able to drive a car, I can say the following.  I know that he is able to drive a car. One time Joran drove my mother's car from the Marriot Hotel to my house. My mother has a Daewoo Nubira modell 1999. He also told me once that he had to drive for his mother, because his mother's foot had been hurting.

To your question what car the parents of Joran drive, I can say the following. Joran's father has a red jeep and Joran's mother has a dark blue Hyundai jeep.

To your question as to what part Joran's father played in this case, I can say the following. From the story that we had told him, he believed us. To me and my parents he was always polite. When the case of the girl got more serious towards the end of the week, he had asked me whether or not my father had a lawyer. I said to him that he didn't. This was Thursday two weeks ago. He had asked me if I knew a good attorney. I told him that I did not have a lot of experience with attorneys. He said to me that we shouldn't worry about it and that he would find a lawyer for me and my brother. Joran's father told me that same afternoon that he had hired Antonio Carlo to represent Joran.

On Friday two weeks ago he arranged a lawyer for us. That same afternoon, approximately 16.30 hours, I had gone with my brother Satish to Joran's house. My mother had also come to Joran's house during her break from work. When my mother arrived, my mother and Joran's dad met for the first time and we went and sat down on the porch. My mother wanted to hear the story from Joran himself before she would believe our story. Joran then told the story about the Holiday Inn. Then Joran's father said to us that the situation could get better but also worse. Joran's father had asked my mother if we had an attorney. My mother said no, because we have never had any problems on Aruba. Joran's father said, wait I will find one for you and went in to get his hand-bag/briefcase. About a minute later he returned with his briefcase. He opened it and took out a piece of paper with several names on it.  Then Joran asked me if I wanted something to drink. I said yes. Joran and Satish got up and went and got something to drink. The father said to us that Oomen was a good lawyer and he picked up his mobile phone and called Oomen. Joran's father briefly spoke to Oomen and they had made an appointment for the next day, to be exact Saturday at 11.00 hours,. The father handed the phone to my mother and my mother had talked to Oomen.

To your question whether I returned to pick up Joran near the Marriot Hotel the night that I had dropped him off with the girl, I can say the following. No, I did not go to pick him up again. After I got home, I didn't go out anymore.

To your question whether I am sure that Joran and the girl walked off in the direction of the beach after I dropped them off, I can say the following.

Yes. Joran got out of the car first. The girl got out on the same side as Joran had gotten out. Hand in hand they walked into the direction of the beach..

To you question whether I can remember anything that Joran told me about everything that happend with the girl, I will say the following.

On Tuesday two weeks ago, about 19.00 hours, I went to the house of Joran. Freddie was at the house of Joran. Joran said to me that he had told Freddie the story about the Holiday Inn and also the truth. Joran had said only Freddy because he is my best friend. I asked Joran if he did anything to the girl. Joran told us that he did not do anything to the girl, the girl had fallen asleep on the beach and he had left her there. Freddie asked him why he had left his sport-shoes there. I do not know what Joran had said, but he came up with an excuse as to why he had and they he walked outside. Freddie then said to me in Papiamentu, "Eia hasi hopt coi pendew si di faga e mucha eynan" (loose translation by reporting officer. He has done a stupid thing leaving that girl alone on the beach). I answered Freddie that I told him the same thing. Every time we asked him about the shoes, he did not answer.

To you question as to whether I am sure that the story of the Holiday Inn was plan A and this statement is plan B, I can say the following.  No, no this is the truth. Plan B for me and my brother Satish was to tell the truth. It was no plan. It is just the truth.

To your question with what I clean the inside of my car, I can say the following. I just use a vacuum cleaner with the square accessory that has bristles on the end. The colour of the bristles is black. I also cleaned my car several times with another brush with black bristles. That was when the vacuum cleaner was broken. I also use a sort of "Armor All" to clean the car on the inside. It happened twice that someone spilled a drink in my car. Once it was a 'Cherry Coke" that spilled on the seat on the passenger side and where the hand break is. That happened when I was with my brother. The other time someone bumped into my car from the back while I was holding a "whisky Coke". It fell between my legs, on the seat on the passenger side and on the carpet on the floor at the passenger side.

To your question whether the girl threw up/vomited in my car, I can say the following. The girl did not throw up in my car.

To your question whether anyone has has ever thrown up in my car, I can say the following. Nobody has ever thrown up in my car.

To your question from whom I bought the car, I can say the following. I bought the car from a man called David GROSS. He works at a company called "Carufa". I must tell you that when they installed the sound in my car, they used a lot of glue and seal/sealant under the carpet of the car. They had to remove the carpets to pull new cables through the car. You can verify this at "Automotive Enterprises". The man who installed it is called Osman OSMAN. I don't know if anyone had an accident with this car prior to it being sold to me.

To your question whether this statement I have now given is truthful, I can say the following. This statement is based 100% on the truth. After I have reviewed the statement with my lawyer, I will sign it.

D.S. KALPOE

After the suspect D.S. KALPOE had read the statement, he declared to stick with what he declared/persist in what he had declared and signed the statement. .

Of this ,we reporting officers, on our oath of office have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th 2005.
 
 
 




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« Reply #137 on: May 04, 2008, 01:30:28 PM »

In the statement he tells exactly the same as Beth Holloway told.

He could not know Beth was going to tell the same story.
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« Reply #138 on: May 04, 2008, 01:32:24 PM »

Briany

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway then are they just plain stupid?  They must be real idiots to have cooperated with the Sloots for so long.  I don't know anyone that would have allowed themselves to be intimidated or coerced as the Kalpoes have been.  The Kalpoes have had their chances over and over to clear themselves of any wrongdoing...the only time they have ever been released of anything was when Joran last confessed he allowed Natalee to die on the beach in his presence. 

And as for Shango and Simian....maybe you should read that forum a little more...you would like them...they never....ever implicate the Kalpoes or Joran in anything.  If you know so much about Shango and Simian maybe you could tell us who they really are and while you are at it please enlighten us as to who Alcazar and Gordon are also...not to mention all those other nicknames of people that think it's anyone but Joran...and Paulus....and the Kalpoes...better yet...why would Freddy need to tell the truth?  Why hasn't he cleared the Kalpoes of any wrong doing?  It seems pretty obvious that Deepak and Satish feel he could. 

The Kalpoes could easily clear their name if they would comply with the law and produce the documents needed in the Dr. Phil case...I wonder why they have yet to do that?  The mere fact that Deepak knew what was going to happen and yet allowed Joran to be in charge and Natalee remain in the car tells me he is not innocent in all this.  Deepak was the oldest in the car and he was the driver... he was responsible for taking care of his guest...but then again that would be an old fashioned attitude that might include some morals also.  Don't think I have seen that very often in those young punks on Aruba. 

Prove to me that the Kalpoes are not implicit in Natalee's disappearance and I will issue you an apology.



@Lala'smom,

You do not have to apologize to me. It is not to be prooven by us that the Kalpoe's are innocent or guilty.
I think the story about Steven, done by Satish in one of his statements, combined with some other stories of the Kalpoe's, combined with the tape in the car, tell a lot.

I try to read the official statements and do not believe what "people suggest".
It's the statements, they can tell a lot. Not Shango and Simian. If they really cared, they would have gone to the police or told the truth on the Internet a long time ago. They did not.

I suspect Shango and Simian of being part of the smokescreens.

http://hollowaycase.com/

The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

Whether and how far the Deepak brothers are (with or without their knowlegde) involved, we do not know.

Joran told in the tape that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this and that they are very stupid. In the Jensen show Joran is suggesting Deepak did it.

I think Joran tells the truth in the part in the Joran tape, were he says the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this.
When I read the statements of the Kalpoe brothers, I think they speak the truth most of the time.
Joran ordered them to lie about the dropping at the Holiday Inn. Joran ordered them to tell he was doing this and that with the girl.

Joran did this with a reason.

I think that is one big fat lie that Joran is saying the Kalpoes had nothing to do with this.  Joran is trying to exonerate the Kalpoes for his own reasons.

Gerald Dompig said he thinks all three are guilty as hell and he was the chief of police.  They are all equally involved.  At the very least the Kalpoes are guilty of kidnapping.

Briany why do you think Deepak said we all did on the Skeeters tape regarding having sex with Natalee.  Or do you feel he didn't say that.
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« Reply #139 on: May 04, 2008, 01:49:03 PM »

Briany

If the Kalpoes have nothing to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway then are they just plain stupid?  They must be real idiots to have cooperated with the Sloots for so long.  I don't know anyone that would have allowed themselves to be intimidated or coerced as the Kalpoes have been.  The Kalpoes have had their chances over and over to clear themselves of any wrongdoing...the only time they have ever been released of anything was when Joran last confessed he allowed Natalee to die on the beach in his presence. 

And as for Shango and Simian....maybe you should read that forum a little more...you would like them...they never....ever implicate the Kalpoes or Joran in anything.  If you know so much about Shango and Simian maybe you could tell us who they really are and while you are at it please enlighten us as to who Alcazar and Gordon are also...not to mention all those other nicknames of people that think it's anyone but Joran...and Paulus....and the Kalpoes...better yet...why would Freddy need to tell the truth?  Why hasn't he cleared the Kalpoes of any wrong doing?  It seems pretty obvious that Deepak and Satish feel he could. 

The Kalpoes could easily clear their name if they would comply with the law and produce the documents needed in the Dr. Phil case...I wonder why they have yet to do that?  The mere fact that Deepak knew what was going to happen and yet allowed Joran to be in charge and Natalee remain in the car tells me he is not innocent in all this.  Deepak was the oldest in the car and he was the driver... he was responsible for taking care of his guest...but then again that would be an old fashioned attitude that might include some morals also.  Don't think I have seen that very often in those young punks on Aruba. 

Prove to me that the Kalpoes are not implicit in Natalee's disappearance and I will issue you an apology.



@Lala'smom,

You do not have to apologize to me. It is not to be prooven by us that the Kalpoe's are innocent or guilty.
I think the story about Steven, done by Satish in one of his statements, combined with some other stories of the Kalpoe's, combined with the tape in the car, tell a lot.

I try to read the official statements and do not believe what "people suggest".
It's the statements, they can tell a lot. Not Shango and Simian. If they really cared, they would have gone to the police or told the truth on the Internet a long time ago. They did not.

I suspect Shango and Simian of being part of the smokescreens.

http://hollowaycase.com/

The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

Whether and how far the Deepak brothers are (with or without their knowlegde) involved, we do not know.

Joran told in the tape that the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this and that they are very stupid. In the Jensen show Joran is suggesting Deepak did it.

I think Joran tells the truth in the part in the Joran tape, were he says the Kalpoe brothers have nothing to do with this.
When I read the statements of the Kalpoe brothers, I think they speak the truth most of the time.
Joran ordered them to lie about the dropping at the Holiday Inn. Joran ordered them to tell he was doing this and that with the girl.

Joran did this with a reason.

I think that is one big fat lie that Joran is saying the Kalpoes had nothing to do with this.  Joran is trying to exonerate the Kalpoes for his own reasons.

Gerald Dompig said he thinks all three are guilty as hell and he was the chief of police.  They are all equally involved.  At the very least the Kalpoes are guilty of kidnapping.

Briany why do you think Deepak said we all did on the Skeeters tape regarding having sex with Natalee.  Or do you feel he didn't say that.

Is it Deepak on the Skeeters tape? Or is it someone sent by Simian?

The message of Steve that he told Deepak he seen them taking Natalee from the C&C and dropping her off at the Holiday Inn, seems to belong to the part of giving The Kalpoe's the feeling they were trapped into this. Mr. and Mrs. v.d.Sloot also told them they were into trouble.

But: the message of Steve was not right because they did not drop Natalee of at the Holiday Inn.

Was Steve trying to manipulate the Kalpoe brothers by himself or was he sent by Shango?

If I can make a suggestion, think about it and read the statements in the Natalee Case. Skip the sources if they come from the book Joran v.d. Sloot.

It becomes a total different story.

But I can be wrong, of course, it just that I think, well......

Were and when did Domping tell this, does anybody has a link?
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