Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[Rob]

Hi Ya Dayhiker... nice to see you Bro! 

[Tamikosmom]

Freddy got this from Joran....and he had every reason to include the brothers in this story.

And if this was the real story....what about the messaging that clearly indicates that Deepak was waiting at home for Joran to let him know he got home ok....why send Deepak a message: I'm home now..thanks for waiting. Waiting for what then?

If you don't believe the computerrecords...that they did something with it...why would Joran give an ok to create false alibi / computerstuff that surely incriminates him. He would never do this jmo.

I agree GBMW.

The point of my post was that Joran has told many lies regarding the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... how the Kalpoes were involved.

I cannot comprehend why Briany embraces Joran's words regarding the Kalpoes in the Devries/vander Eem video recording ... a video recording that is riddled with proven lies while ... disregarding public quotes from those who held official positions within the investigation ... positions that imply knowledge.

Then there are Beth's word regarding Deepak's reaction to the gardener's court testimony ... the gardener's testimony that implies that Joran and Deepak were together at 2:30 AM sitting in Deepak's vehicle across the street from the beach.

Janet

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STEVE COHEN
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378798#msg378798


KAREN JANSSEN
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378778#msg378778


GEROLD DOMPIG
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378778#msg378778


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

[Dayhiker]

Briany, absolutely NO ONE disputes the Skeeter tape is that of Deepak. Not Deepak himself, nor his staunchest supporters. Deepak claims the tape is "altered" -- but he does admit he in deed gave the interview to Skeeters. No offense intended, but when did you start following this case? You don't seem to be aware of many things that are undisputed facts.

Thank you, wreck.  I'm with you. 
This is providing a nice review of all the reasons the K2 are in this up to the eyeballs.  The fact remains the K2 are lying POS, just like their buddy Joran.  Of course, Joran could have just been using the K2 for rides, etc. but the bottom line is IF they are innocent, they sure don't act like it.

briany, PEOPLE WITH NOTHING TO HIDE, HIDE NOTHING.   
The K2, like most of those people down there, seem incapable of telling the truth.  If they didn't do anything and weren't involved, they need to shut up and furnish the documents to the court or drop the suit against Dr. Phil.  They are not going to win.  Failure to produce documents is but one way to be sure to irritate the judge.  Our courts are busy.  I'm surprised the judge hasn't chased this case out of court for lack of evidence, among many other things.

Good morning.

Peaches, so glad to see you back and your sharp edge with it! You are so right, why won't the Kalpoes produce the discovery for their lawsuit? How long have they been evading this, almost a year now? If they are innocent and have nothing to hide why not supply the evidence? It is long overdue for the judge to send them packing.

[Dayhiker]

Hi Ya Dayhiker... nice to see you Bro! 

Hello Ole Friend! Thanks for holding down the fort! Have been busier than a one-legged man in a butt kicking contest the past week! Thanks for kicking butt for me while I was away, LOL!
 

[Tamikosmom]

 

Good Morning cbb

I have missed ya.

Janet

[Dayhiker]

Good Morning everyone-

I sure Hope Klaas is feeling better today... I sure miss ya!!! Get well soon!!!

_____________

Janet, do you have the quote from Jorge Pesquera where he indicates there was a cover-up?

Something like this -

Beth: 'I asked if there was a cover-up and Mr Pesquera said' ~ "yes, yes there was".

TIA

Now that Senor Pesquera has broken ties with Aruba perhaps he'll be glad to fill in the details to our federal authorities and the Prosecutors in Aruba. I am sure he sat in on many of those smoke-filled back room meeting with Paulus' business partner, Joran's lawyer, AHATA board member Antonio Carlo. The ones where they dreamed up Natalee's drug use and Beth's insurance scam. Yeah, those meetings.

To anybody who doubts there was anything more than a baby cover-up please explain why Antonio Carlo was sitting on the board of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Authority. TIA!

[caesu]

tonight Hero Brinkman @ Pauw & Witteman.

one subject is the War in Afghanistan.

but Aruba / Antilles might also come up.
as the restructuring of the Antilles is not yet resolved.

today the PVV issued a press release to complain that in the upcoming talks they are not allowed to speak about corruption.
http://www.allepersberichten.nl/persbericht/5610/1/Brinkman-Geen-overleg-met-Antillen-meer/

Brinkman: “Ik beledig niemand als ik feitelijk vaststel dat Antilliaanse politici aldaar grotendeels corrupt zijn. Hun incompetentie bewijzen ze bijna wekelijks. Dat zijn feitelijkheden”.

“De Antillen gedragen zich nu als opnieuw als een gemiddelde Afrikaanse bananenrepubliek: corrupt en geen vrijheid van spreken voor mensen met een andere mening”

i still encourage to send him information about the corruption / cover-up on Aruba.
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

end of May Hero Brinkman is going to bring a motion forward in parliament about the corruption on the islands.

he doesn't say Antilles, but islands - so it might include Aruba.

Good afternoon caesu...Thanks for the information.

I have a question and maybe you can help...Would the US have been dealing with the Aruban or the Dutch government back in 1999 when they wanted to open the Forward Operating Location on Aruba? TIA

that would be an issue with the Dutch government.
because the Dutch are in charge of the defense and foreign affairs of Aruba.

[Rob]

Good Morning everyone-

I sure Hope Klaas is feeling better today... I sure miss ya!!! Get well soon!!!

_____________

Janet, do you have the quote from Jorge Pesquera where he indicates there was a cover-up?

Something like this -

Beth: 'I asked if there was a cover-up and Mr Pesquera said' ~ "yes, yes there was".

TIA

Now that Senor Pesquera has broken ties with Aruba perhaps he'll be glad to fill in the details to our federal authorities and the Prosecutors in Aruba. I am sure he sat in on many of those smoke-filled back room meeting with Paulus' business partner, Joran's lawyer, AHATA board member Antonio Carlo. The ones where they dreamed up Natalee's drug use and Beth's insurance scam. Yeah, those meetings.

To anybody who doubts there was anything more than a baby cover-up please explain why Antonio Carlo was sitting on the board of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Authority. TIA!

and why did Carlo want to clear his conscious when he said his client (Joran) was deeply involved in the disappearance of Natalee but it was up to Jansen to prove it??? I doubt Jansen could prove that the Euro is the standard currency in Europe. Freakin idiot.

probably because Joran was deeply involved. What other explanation is there? I can't think of any...

[MuffyBee]

Destiny ~  I too noticed the use of "we" and "us" in Briany's posts.  I wonder if there is more than one person posting under that nick?  We've experienced that here on SM before.  And then there is the royal "we" used in England.  As in WE are not amused...lol

[MumInOhio]

tonight Hero Brinkman @ Pauw & Witteman.

one subject is the War in Afghanistan.

but Aruba / Antilles might also come up.
as the restructuring of the Antilles is not yet resolved.

today the PVV issued a press release to complain that in the upcoming talks they are not allowed to speak about corruption.
http://www.allepersberichten.nl/persbericht/5610/1/Brinkman-Geen-overleg-met-Antillen-meer/

Brinkman: “Ik beledig niemand als ik feitelijk vaststel dat Antilliaanse politici aldaar grotendeels corrupt zijn. Hun incompetentie bewijzen ze bijna wekelijks. Dat zijn feitelijkheden”.

“De Antillen gedragen zich nu als opnieuw als een gemiddelde Afrikaanse bananenrepubliek: corrupt en geen vrijheid van spreken voor mensen met een andere mening”

i still encourage to send him information about the corruption / cover-up on Aruba.
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

end of May Hero Brinkman is going to bring a motion forward in parliament about the corruption on the islands.

he doesn't say Antilles, but islands - so it might include Aruba.

Good afternoon caesu...Thanks for the information.

I have a question and maybe you can help...Would the US have been dealing with the Aruban or the Dutch government back in 1999 when they wanted to open the Forward Operating Location on Aruba? TIA

that would be an issue with the Dutch government.
because the Dutch are in charge of the defense and foreign affairs of Aruba.

Thank you caesu...It had never crossed my mind until a week or so ago to ask. I had always assumed the Aruban government, as most I have read has said 'an agreement with the government'. As it was on Aruba, I just assumed the Aruban government. Thanks again for straightening me out on that!

[Dayhiker]

Now that Senor Pesquera has broken ties with Aruba perhaps he'll be glad to fill in the details to our federal authorities and the Prosecutors in Aruba. I am sure he sat in on many of those smoke-filled back room meeting with Paulus' business partner, Joran's lawyer, AHATA board member Antonio Carlo. The ones where they dreamed up Natalee's drug use and Beth's insurance scam. Yeah, those meetings.

To anybody who doubts there was anything more than a baby cover-up please explain why Antonio Carlo was sitting on the board of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Authority. TIA!

and why did Carlo want to clear his conscious when he said his client (Joran) was deeply involved in the disappearance of Natalee but it was up to Jansen to prove it??? I doubt Jansen could prove that the Euro is the standard currency in Europe. Freakin idiot.

probably because Joran was deeply involved. What other explanation is there? I can't think of any...

Says to me Rob they all knew Joran was guilty, they just didn't have a single ounce of integrity in any of their bones to prosecute a Dutch kid whose father was a good friend over the murder of an American girl. They all lined up for Paulus- the Cops, Prosecutor, Judges-- that ain't no baby cover-up!

[Destiny]

Working on *my* ideas for a very rough draft to *talk* with Diario today.....need you to pick it apart and make it better....

I will try to gear *our full page article* to the Local people of Aruba....as Diarios' article, I'm sure will deal with the criminal aspects....at least I'll try to coordinate with them for that outcome...

We...I think...should try to express to the fine, honest people of Aruba, how much we sympathize with their economic and political situations.  That, we hope and Pray...that their economy turns around for them all....we know there are many good, honest people being hurt by the impact of the Natalee Holloway case...stuck on hold....not being resolved...and going nowhere...we feel it is very wrong for the good people of Aruba to carry this burden.

We also feel sympathy for the Family and Friends of Natalee, who only want to bring her home, and bury her in her home town, with her Family and Friends at her funeral.

All we can Pray for, is that only one of You very good people of Aruba, help in any way you can....This would help end the boycott of Aruba, and forever remover the blemish of Sadness from Aruba, and the innocent Good People of Aruba, who simply do not deserve this.

Please look into your hearts, and souls...especially if you have children...and as a Parent...All we Pray from you is to help us give Natalee a funeral and final resting place in her own home...with her own Family.

We wish you, the Good people of Aruba no harm.

We have established a secure, anonymous phone line with the American John Walsh...with Americas Most Wanted TV program....Your safety is our first concern.

Tip Line # **********
Fax line #***********

Thank You Good Fine people of Aruba....we Pray for your help...

*As I said....rough idea....pick it apart....no, I have not contacted John Walsh yet.....

let's Rock!

Destiny

[Rob]

Says to me Rob they all knew Joran was guilty, they just didn't have a single ounce of integrity in any of their bones to prosecute a Dutch kid whose father was a good friend over the murder of an American girl. They all lined up for Paulus- the Cops, Prosecutor, Judges-- that ain't no baby cover-up!

I agree Dayhiker... I'm just not totally convinced there was a porn video and more people involved other than Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus. Gawd I hope not... but this is one screwed up society and anything could be possible. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow we heard there was proof of a video. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Guido being charged with HEAVY BATTERY seems a stretch to say he's NOT involved - that's a pretty heavy charge and they must have had something on him. And if they did, it opens up alot of other possibilities.

[Tamikosmom]

Briany, absolutely NO ONE disputes the Skeeter tape is that of Deepak. Not Deepak himself, nor his staunchest supporters. Deepak claims the tape is "altered" -- but he does admit he in deed gave the interview to Skeeters. No offense intended, but when did you start following this case? You don't seem to be aware of many things that are undisputed facts.

Thank you, wreck.  I'm with you. 
This is providing a nice review of all the reasons the K2 are in this up to the eyeballs.  The fact remains the K2 are lying POS, just like their buddy Joran.  Of course, Joran could have just been using the K2 for rides, etc. but the bottom line is IF they are innocent, they sure don't act like it.

briany, PEOPLE WITH NOTHING TO HIDE, HIDE NOTHING.    
The K2, like most of those people down there, seem incapable of telling the truth.  If they didn't do anything and weren't involved, they need to shut up and furnish the documents to the court or drop the suit against Dr. Phil.  They are not going to win.  Failure to produce documents is but one way to be sure to irritate the judge.  Our courts are busy.  I'm surprised the judge hasn't chased this case out of court for lack of evidence, among many other things.

Good morning.

Thank you Peaches

[GBMW]

Destiny ~  I too noticed the use of "we" and "us" in Briany's posts.  I wonder if there is more than one person posting under that nick?  We've experienced that here on SM before.  And then there is the royal "we" used in England.  As in WE are not amused...lol

Briany explained in the Dutch thread he / she meant the Dutch posters.

[Dayhiker]

Says to me Rob they all knew Joran was guilty, they just didn't have a single ounce of integrity in any of their bones to prosecute a Dutch kid whose father was a good friend over the murder of an American girl. They all lined up for Paulus- the Cops, Prosecutor, Judges-- that ain't no baby cover-up!

I agree Dayhiker... I'm just not totally convinced there was a porn video and more people involved other than Joran, Deepak, Satish and Paulus. Gawd I hope not... but this is one screwed up society and anything could be possible. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow we heard there was proof of a video. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

Guido being charged with HEAVY BATTERY seems a stretch to say he's NOT involved - that's a pretty heavy charge and they must have had something on him. And if they did, it opens up alot of other possibilities.

Karin Jannsen is proven corrupt. She heard Joran's seizure confessions. She needs to be put under a microscope, better yet a strong bright hanging light, and asked why she ignored these statements, why she went in like a Cowgirl and arrested two innocent black security guards while the main suspects roamed free for 10 days, where the evidence is she got to arrest Guido, and all other kinds of shit. That bitch flew under the radar conducting a mock investigation for over a year. They need to find out who above her was pulling her strings. The Dutch need to haul her ass in along with Van der Straten, Dennis Jacobs, and a whole slew of those AHATA bastards and grill the living crap out of them. Then bring in the judges from Curacao. This cover-up was huge.

[Destiny]

Destiny ~  I too noticed the use of "we" and "us" in Briany's posts.  I wonder if there is more than one person posting under that nick?  We've experienced that here on SM before.  And then there is the royal "we" used in England.  As in WE are not amused...lol

Briany explained in the Dutch thread he / she meant the Dutch posters.

Thank You for the clarification

[Pita]

Good Morning everyone-

I sure Hope Klaas is feeling better today... I sure miss ya!!! Get well soon!!!

_____________

Janet, do you have the quote from Jorge Pesquera where he indicates there was a cover-up?

Something like this -

Beth: 'I asked if there was a cover-up and Mr Pesquera said' ~ "yes, yes there was".

TIA

Beth made this claim in LOVING NATALEE ... I am not sure of the page.

Janet

pg. 194 in Loving Natalee...

It's quiet in the room when I add, "Oh, come on.  Everyone knows there was a cover-up."

And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, "Yes...yes there was."

[Rob]

Thank you Pita!!!!

[caesu]

Joran's passport including Visa stamps appeared online today:











http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/99161/44b3ea3a/dit_paspoort_is_viehies_.html
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2008/05/patrick_dit_paspoort_is_viehie.html

maybe better save these images, because they might get removed from internet soon.