Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[GBMW]

Freddy got this from Joran....and he had every reason to include the brothers in this story.

And if this was the real story....what about the messaging that clearly indicates that Deepak was waiting at home for Joran to let him know he got home ok....why send Deepak a message: I'm home now..thanks for waiting. Waiting for what then?

If you don't believe the computerrecords...that they did something with it...why would Joran give an ok to create false alibi / computerstuff that surely incriminates him. He would never do this jmo.

I agree GBMW.

The point of my post was that Joran has told many lies regarding the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... how the Kalpoes were involved.

I cannot comprehend why Briany embraces Joran's words regarding the Kalpoes in the Devries/vander Eem video recording ... a video recording that is riddled with proven lies while ... disregarding public quotes from those who held official positions within the investigation ... positions that imply knowledge.

Then there are Beth's word regarding Deepak's reaction to the gardener's court testimony ... the gardener's testimony that implies that Joran and Deepak were together at 2:30 AM sitting in Deepak's vehicle across the street from the beach.

Janet

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STEVE COHEN
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378798#msg378798


KAREN JANSSEN
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378778#msg378778


GEROLD DOMPIG
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378778#msg378778


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

For me they're now in the spot of being framed....not clean / innocent (they lied & know more...and might have more involvement / inproper behaviour when it comes to Natalee....but for me not as rapists / murderers / kidnappers as of yet). I do believe they know more and could clear up a lot of stuff.....it would be unbelievable to me that they wouldn't have more info....at the least they've been around Joran the days after it happened and he must have slipped info / details somehow.

But if you're 'innocent' you don't want to go to jail....so I can understand them not giving out info that could be explained the wrong way....but there must be reasons why they've been seen as suspects for so long. But that position could also be explained because they were framed by Joran.

They've put themselves in a very difficult position and when there is a witness that claims to have seen you & you're a suspect....I could understand freaking out.

The confessionshow contains lies; yes I agree...but I think it's the general story of what happened that night.

And I think mr. Croes gave his statement because Joran / Paulus / ? asked him to do this...and that Joran didn't tell the Kalpoes.

Cleaning their car in the middle of the night? Don't know about that one either...sounds weird to me...

I could be wrong but it's how I feel about it now....I do have to read up on it though; not really well informed on all the little details.

[Rob]

I saved them and now I'll load them.

[GBMW]

Joran's passport including Visa stamps appeared online today:











http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/99161/44b3ea3a/dit_paspoort_is_viehies_.html
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2008/05/patrick_dit_paspoort_is_viehie.html

maybe better save these images, because they might get removed from internet soon.

 

[Dihannah1]

Hello Monkeys,  I have been busy lately and haven't read here much lately, so not sure if this has been posted yet or not.  But worth repeating anyways.  It probably needs to be a front page article. 

I paid for membership at TES and recieve emails from them, as I'm sure others do as well.  But for those who do not know, please see below, an email I received and think of what you may be able to do to help!
______________________________________



PLEASE READ AND RSVP !!!   We would love to have as much member participation as possible.  Let’s get together!!!


Texas EquuSearch had a small bbq plate fundraiser on March 30, 2008.  We had so much fun and did so well, we’ve decided to do it again.  This is not to be confused with our big annual fundraiser that is tentatively scheduled for August.  There will not be an auction at this event.  I will keep everyone posted of the upcoming annual event. 


If you can help with any of the items we need for this event,  please do so.  If you can get your company, friend’s company, whomever, to donate, that’s even better.  If you cannot donate or volunteer, we still want you to come out and join the fun!!!!


It will be on Sunday, May 18, 2008.  Same place, same time.  I’ve attached the flyer.


Items we need:

Potato salad  8 lg 5lb containers

Mayonnaise 2 jars

Mustard 2 jars

Jalepenos 2 lg cans

Hamburger pickles

Sliced onions – 5 lbs

Charcoal / wood

Lighter fluid

Aluminum pans 6

Aluminum foil

 

For beans:

Pinto beans – 8 lg cans

Ranch style beans – 2 lg cans

Picante sauce – 1 lg plastic jar

Sausage – 5-10 lbs

 

What we have now:

15 briskets being donated

30 hamburger patties – could use more

24 hamburger buns – will need more if more meat is donated

 

We have a pit we can use but would like a larger pit to bring more attention to the event.  If you know someone that has a large pit on a trailer, that can transport to and from the event, please let us know.  We will need the pit on site at 10:00 a.m.

 

Since hot dogs sales were not very big last time, we’ve decided to skip the dogs.

 

We will need food servers and ticket sellers.

 

If you want to donate any of these items and cannot get them to the office, we will be more than happy to get them for you and you can simply pay us back at the benefit.  i.e….potato salad is a good example for that scenario, we will want to purchase the potato salad the morning of the benefit.

 

If we have left anything out, or you have ideas of your own, please share.  I’d like to think about incorporating a bake sale into all this.  Does anyone feel like baking?

 

Call your friends, tell your company, tell your neighbors.  I’m hoping to see a lot of your wonderful smiling faces there.

 

PLEASE RSVP NO LATER THAN MAY 12, 2008 IF YOU CAN ATTEND AND WHAT YOU CAN BRING.  THANK YOU.!!

 

You may email your rsvp to …

 

Cheryl.lawless@texasequusearch.org

Cheryl Lawless

Office Administrator

Texas EquuSearch

ofc (281) 309-9500

fax (281) 534-6719

 

"Lost Is Not Alone"

 

[caesu]

i wonder who leaked this.
maybe van der sloot did this on purpose to proof something?

passport was issued in 2004.
aruba also stamps the passport.
a lot of information on his travels is available now.

[Tamikosmom]

Freddy got this from Joran....and he had every reason to include the brothers in this story.

And if this was the real story....what about the messaging that clearly indicates that Deepak was waiting at home for Joran to let him know he got home ok....why send Deepak a message: I'm home now..thanks for waiting. Waiting for what then?

If you don't believe the computerrecords...that they did something with it...why would Joran give an ok to create false alibi / computerstuff that surely incriminates him. He would never do this jmo.

I agree GBMW.

The point of my post was that Joran has told many lies regarding the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... how the Kalpoes were involved.

I cannot comprehend why Briany embraces Joran's words regarding the Kalpoes in the Devries/vander Eem video recording ... a video recording that is riddled with proven lies while ... disregarding public quotes from those who held official positions within the investigation ... positions that imply knowledge.

Then there are Beth's word regarding Deepak's reaction to the gardener's court testimony ... the gardener's testimony that implies that Joran and Deepak were together at 2:30 AM sitting in Deepak's vehicle across the street from the beach.

Janet

++++++++++++++

STEVE COHEN
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378798#msg378798


KAREN JANSSEN
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378778#msg378778


GEROLD DOMPIG
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg378778#msg378778


Beth Twitty
CNN LARRY KING LIVE
February 23, 2007

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I know one thing that Deepak Kalpoe did in August was, when the gardener came before the judge of instruction to give sworn testimony of witnessing those three suspects together in the Kalpoe brothers' car that night at the pond, across the street from the Marriott, it was in front of the prosecutor, in front of the defense, the judge of instruction, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, Joran Van Der Sloot.

Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0602/23/lkl.01.html

For me they're now in the spot of being framed....not clean / innocent (they lied & know more...and might have more involvement / inproper behaviour when it comes to Natalee....but for me not as rapists / murderers / kidnappers as of yet). I do believe they know more and could clear up a lot of stuff.....it would be unbelievable to me that they wouldn't have more info....at the least they've been around Joran the days after it happened and he must have slipped info / details somehow.

But if you're 'innocent' you don't want to go to jail....so I can understand them not giving out info that could be explained the wrong way....but there must be reasons why they've been seen as suspects for so long. But that position could also be explained because they were framed by Joran.

They've put themselves in a very difficult position and when there is a witness that claims to have seen you & you're a suspect....I could understand freaking out.

The confessionshow contains lies; yes I agree...but I think it's the general story of what happened that night.

And I think mr. Croes gave his statement because Joran / Paulus / ? asked him to do this...and that Joran didn't tell the Kalpoes.

Cleaning their car in the middle of the night? Don't know about that one either...sounds weird to me...

I could be wrong but it's how I feel about it now....I do have to read up on it though; not really well informed on all the little details.

GBMW ... you just negated all my research with what you "feel".  No backup.

I am done!!

Janet

[Rob]

GBMW ... you just negated all my research with what you "feel".  No backup.

I am done!!

Janet

me too... it's a settled issue for me.

I'm not commenting on Deepak's, Satish's or Joran's involvement...There is nothing that could ever make me believe that they are not involved. Nothing.

Janet, thanks for spending your valuable time trying to educate those that either can not be educated or wish to remain ignorant.

[Destiny]

GBMW ... you just negated all my research with what you "feel".  No backup.

I am done!!

Janet

me too... it's a settled issue for me.

I'm not commenting on Deepak's, Satish's or Joran's involvement...There is nothing that could ever make me believe that they are not involved. Nothing.

Janet, thanks for spending your valuable time trying to educate those that either can not be educated or wish to remain ignorant.

Great Big Friccin' DITTO from me too Janet.....all I see is an attempt at obvuscation of the FACTS that Janet has posted...all at her own time and effort....

Thank You Janet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I Stand with YOU!

[Dihannah1]

Hello, just lil ol me again trying to catch up.

I see Destiny is busy preparing an ad for the Diario.  Which is a good idea, assuming the family approves of it.  I just don't want to inadvertanly undo anything Beth and Dave may have accomplished.  Since it does involve there daughter, I do hope they are aware and will have the final approval before it's posted in the paper.

Ok, just my 2 cents....

[ldstlou]

Hey Monkeys!!

Do we have a Klaas update?
I have not read back yet. If not, I just spoke to her hubby. She has the flu. Should be out of hospital today. I am trying to call her now at the hospital but the line is busy. Will update again after I talk to her.

[Destiny]

Hello, just lil ol me again trying to catch up.

I see Destiny is busy preparing an ad for the Diario.  Which is a good idea, assuming the family approves of it.  I just don't want to inadvertanly undo anything Beth and Dave may have accomplished.  Since it does involve there daughter, I do hope they are aware and will have the final approval before it's posted in the paper.

Ok, just my 2 cents....

I would not do anything without *all* the Monkeys approval...including the Holloway Family...

KLASS....GET WELL SOON....WE *NEED* YOU BACK!!!!!!!

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you Rob and Destiny.

Sometimes I feel that I am in the Twilight Zone ...

Janet

[Peaches]

I saved them and now I'll load them.

Thank you to all who continue to build docmentation on this mess.

From the looks of his visa, he is a pretty well traveled little A-hole considering he doesn't have a job, an education, morals, character.  I guess it takes all kinds. 

You notice he's not making a lotta road trips over to the US.......
wouldn't be prudent......

[ldstlou]

Hello, just lil ol me again trying to catch up.

I see Destiny is busy preparing an ad for the Diario.  Which is a good idea, assuming the family approves of it.  I just don't want to inadvertanly undo anything Beth and Dave may have accomplished.  Since it does involve there daughter, I do hope they are aware and will have the final approval before it's posted in the paper.

Ok, just my 2 cents....

I would not do anything without *all* the Monkeys approval...including the Holloway Family...

KLASS....GET WELL SOON....WE *NEED* YOU BACK!!!!!!!

I am working on approval and input now. Will let you all know tomorrow!!

[Peaches]

GBMW ... you just negated all my research with what you "feel".  No backup.

I am done!!

Janet

me too... it's a settled issue for me.

I'm not commenting on Deepak's, Satish's or Joran's involvement...There is nothing that could ever make me believe that they are not involved. Nothing.

Janet, thanks for spending your valuable time trying to educate those that either can not be educated or wish to remain ignorant.

Amen.  If this keeps up, I'm getting out the HORSE!

[Rob]

Thank you Rob and Destiny.

Sometimes I feel that I am in the Twilight Zone ...

Janet

I completely understand. It's not all that complicated unless someone wishes to ignore the facts and fit the scenarios to  their agenda. ~ As Mrs Red might say.

We've had more discombobulated posters in the past. LOL 

My laptop is very safe from being consumed.

I'm down to a few minor areas. All the rest have been settled.

Such as (in no particular order)- landfill and moved, cremated, out to sea, buried on the island, under the Sloot pool.

When you have Han Mos saying Natalee is not alive that leaves very little doubt about the last people that were seen with her.

[ldstlou]

Thank you Rob and Destiny.

Sometimes I feel that I am in the Twilight Zone ...

Janet

Hey Sweetie,
STILL haven't read back to see what was posted but no way in hell kalpoes were not involved!!! You are right on as always!!!

[Dihannah1]

Hello, just lil ol me again trying to catch up.

I see Destiny is busy preparing an ad for the Diario.  Which is a good idea, assuming the family approves of it.  I just don't want to inadvertanly undo anything Beth and Dave may have accomplished.  Since it does involve there daughter, I do hope they are aware and will have the final approval before it's posted in the paper.

Ok, just my 2 cents....

I would not do anything without *all* the Monkeys approval...including the Holloway Family...

KLASS....GET WELL SOON....WE *NEED* YOU BACK!!!!!!!

I figured that Dest.  I appreciate everything you do!   I just wanted to be sure the family knows 
Thank you!

[ldstlou]

Working on *my* ideas for a very rough draft to *talk* with Diario today.....need you to pick it apart and make it better....

I will try to gear *our full page article* to the Local people of Aruba....as Diarios' article, I'm sure will deal with the criminal aspects....at least I'll try to coordinate with them for that outcome...

We...I think...should try to express to the fine, honest people of Aruba, how much we sympathize with their economic and political situations.  That, we hope and Pray...that their economy turns around for them all....we know there are many good, honest people being hurt by the impact of the Natalee Holloway case...stuck on hold....not being resolved...and going nowhere...we feel it is very wrong for the good people of Aruba to carry this burden.

We also feel sympathy for the Family and Friends of Natalee, who only want to bring her home, and bury her in her home town, with her Family and Friends at her funeral.

All we can Pray for, is that only one of You very good people of Aruba, help in any way you can....This would help end the boycott of Aruba, and forever remover the blemish of Sadness from Aruba, and the innocent Good People of Aruba, who simply do not deserve this.

Please look into your hearts, and souls...especially if you have children...and as a Parent...All we Pray from you is to help us give Natalee a funeral and final resting place in her own home...with her own Family.

We wish you, the Good people of Aruba no harm.

We have established a secure, anonymous phone line with the American John Walsh...with Americas Most Wanted TV program....Your safety is our first concern.

Tip Line # **********
Fax line #***********

Thank You Good Fine people of Aruba....we Pray for your help...

*As I said....rough idea....pick it apart....no, I have not contacted John Walsh yet.....

let's Rock!

Destiny

Great job Destiny. Talking to the family about the ad. Would love to have their approval and input. Will know more tomorrow. Can you get my e-mail address from San and write me?

[Destiny]

Working on *my* ideas for a very rough draft to *talk* with Diario today.....need you to pick it apart and make it better....

I will try to gear *our full page article* to the Local people of Aruba....as Diarios' article, I'm sure will deal with the criminal aspects....at least I'll try to coordinate with them for that outcome...

We...I think...should try to express to the fine, honest people of Aruba, how much we sympathize with their economic and political situations.  That, we hope and Pray...that their economy turns around for them all....we know there are many good, honest people being hurt by the impact of the Natalee Holloway case...stuck on hold....not being resolved...and going nowhere...we feel it is very wrong for the good people of Aruba to carry this burden.

We also feel sympathy for the Family and Friends of Natalee, who only want to bring her home, and bury her in her home town, with her Family and Friends at her funeral.

All we can Pray for, is that only one of You very good people of Aruba, help in any way you can....This would help end the boycott of Aruba, and forever remover the blemish of Sadness from Aruba, and the innocent Good People of Aruba, who simply do not deserve this.

Please look into your hearts, and souls...especially if you have children...and as a Parent...All we Pray from you is to help us give Natalee a funeral and final resting place in her own home...with her own Family.

We wish you, the Good people of Aruba no harm.

We have established a secure, anonymous phone line with the American John Walsh...with Americas Most Wanted TV program....Your safety is our first concern.

Tip Line # **********
Fax line #***********

Thank You Good Fine people of Aruba....we Pray for your help...

*As I said....rough idea....pick it apart....no, I have not contacted John Walsh yet.....

let's Rock!

Destiny

Great job Destiny. Talking to the family about the ad. Would love to have their approval and input. Will know more tomorrow. Can you get my e-mail address from San and write me?

THESE ARE JUST *my* ideas on what to talk with Diario about...and the most non-aggressive way to word the ad, to get the results we are looking for....I need input from others to actually word the ad....someone please send my email addy/ldstlou s' to each other....

What I'm doing is trying to is I pay for the ad...but have it focus on the Locals of Aruba....NOT the perps....in hopes that one/or more person(s) will give something important up....