Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[Lala'sMom]

Is Klassend back in the hospital?? Is there anything we can do for her?

Hi there!
I think Klaas did not get released as we had thought previously. It is my understanding that she is still feeling pretty bad and maybe she will get home today or tomorrow.  She needs to go to a hotel and not back to her house until all the painting and work is done.  I am sure that is what made her so ill...never know what's under all that dirt and she pretty much got a big dose of it from the beginning. I know her DH and doggies are missing her as we are all missing her too.

BTW...welcome to the cage! 

This was my fault for giving wrong information.  When I spoke to Klaas briefly she mentioned she should be released on Sunday.  Then I saw her signed on SM on Saturday night and thought she got released early.  My apologies for not giving the right information and jumping the gun.

That's okay San, you had your hands full trying make us behave...we were all wishing it to be so too.

Okay Lala's, this is the third time today we had similar thoughts.  Are you tapping into my inner monkey?


                                             

Where do have that monkey hidden?  LOL

[Destiny]

*******...check ur email

Thanks for the reply *******....since you know who I'll be talking with regarding our ad tomorrow....what should I reply to this latest email...as I said I was bored...so I clipped and pasted only the passport part and shot it over with a comment....*this was just found...won't last long*....now I don't know what to replay...it did seem to get some interest....help Mr. Wizard.....

[Lala'sMom]

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?

[Observer]

*******...check ur email

Thanks for the reply *******....since you know who I'll be talking with regarding our ad tomorrow....what should I reply to this latest email...as I said I was bored...so I clipped and pasted only the passport part and shot it over with a comment....*this was just found...won't last long*....now I don't know what to replay...it did seem to get some interest....help Mr. Wizard.....

Hello Destiny! You tell her what ever your heart desires..lol.. I dont see anything wrong with sending her whatever. It's may be best to be on her good side 

[Destiny]

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?

 

I want to know too...as I was asked by Diario if I had a photo of him there...but never sent the one we have, due to not being sure if it was/is authentic.....old feeble minds want to know....

[Observer]

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?

Yes It most certainly does..IMO..Although almost everything can be faked online I think its very possible he was in Thailand.

[Destiny]

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?

Yes It most certainly does..IMO..Although almost everything can be faked online I think its very possible he was in Thailand.

Ahh...but...do the dates add up....to...old...to....remember.....gasp.......

[caesu]

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?

yes very plausible.

the visa dates match with the date the photo in Bangkok was taken (early april).
and also what this naieve guy Marten Brakx said.

he entered Thailand 4th of March. he was allowed to stay until April 2nd.
but he overstayed his visum and left Thailand April 19th.
so he probably had to pay a fine for that.

as to where he is now:

on the 25th of April he re-entered Thailand.
at the time the photocopy was taken he was still in Thailand due to the fact that the departure card was still in the passport.
he is allowed to stay until 24th of May.

[caesu]

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?

yes very plausible.

the visa dates match with the date the photo in Bangkok was taken (early april).
and also what this naieve guy Marten Brakx said.

he entered Thailand 4th of March. he was allowed to stay until April 2nd.
but he overstayed his visum and left Thailand April 19th.
so he probably had to pay a fine for that.

as to where he is now:

on the 25th of April he re-entered Thailand.
at the time the photocopy was taken he was still in Thailand due to the fact that the departure card was still in the passport.
he is allowed to stay until 24th of May.

i have to add to this:
he was allowed to stay until April 2nd.
then he got a week extension until April 9th.
but he overstayed and left April 19th.

all information from this page:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/foto/44b3ea3a_joranpaspoort2.jpg

[Observer]

Destiny,
Here is a example of one of richards recent writings..This one was to to the Washington Redskins 

 I recently was informed that the cheerleaders of the Washington Redskinswill be taking part in a weekend photo shoot at an Aruba hotel next month.

 At first I could not comprehend this, but now my disbelief is suspended.
 My dismay and disgust, however, are as strong as they were when I first
 heard this news.

 May is a significant month for Americans in Aruba.  At the end of May,
 three years ago, a young American woman named Natalee Holloway vanished in
 Aruba.  And since the early morning of May 30, 2005, elements of the
 Aruban government and law enforcement have continued to thwart the campaign
 of Natalee's family for answers.

 The Aruban economy is 80 percent dependent on American tourism.
 Accordingly, it has every rational interest in promoting good relations with
 our country.  Instead, it has assailed Natalee's family, repeatedly bungled
 the investigation in what cannot be mere incompetence, and in the process
 has demonstrated that it is no fit place for anyone to visit.

 I therefore am appalled that your group would choose to provide Aruba with
 any shred of the glitz and glamour that it dearly seeks.  May I suggest that
 you provide each of the cheerleaders going there a copy of "Loving Natalee,"
 the book by Beth Holloway, as well as "Aruba," by Natalee's father Dave
 Holloway.

 Let your charges read about the treatment of the parents, and their
 supporters, on Aruba.

 Let them read about the searches on land, in the landfill, among the drug addict houses and worse.  Let them see reports of the attempts of the locals
to lure foreign tourists away from their groups.  Let them hear how
indifferent authorities were to finding out the truth.

 And let them take a look at one of the photographs of Natalee, during her
 high school years, in her marching band regalia.  That photograph is in
 Beth's book, "Loving Natalee."

 Then let them look in the mirror and think, "But for the grace of God,
 there go I."

 Maybe then they will decide that it is absolutely indecent for them to go
 to Aruba ... spitting in the faces of Natalee's family and of all those
 who have tried to keep the lesson of her case as a vibrant message to the
 public: "No justice for Natalee, no tourists for Aruba."

 Maybe then you will share their insight.  If not, may I suggest that you
 write to Natalee's parents explaining why you choose to give Aruba your
 business. But then again, Natalee wasn't your daughter, was she?

[caesu]

overstaying his visum cost him 5000 baht = 160 us dollar.
the extension must have cost him also something.

[WhiskeyGirl]

I've been reading the discussion about 2K's involvement in ANY crime against Natalee, and I have some thoughts I wanted to share -

~ What exactly did you do like 20 times before?  Did ALE or anyone ask some follow-up questions to find out what exactly was done with these young women?

~ Did you know what was going to happen to the young woman those 20 previous times?  Did you know what was going to happen to Natalee?

~ What "shit" are you afraid of someone finding?  Was it damage to a physical body?  Some recordings?  Why would someone not involved be worried about someone finding "shit"?  How would you even know about the "shit" and why it was a problem?

~ Where did all the pictures and recordings from the camera equipment go?

~ What of the analysis of the Kalpoe computer equipment?

~ Did you know about what happened to those 20 others?  What exactly happened to them?  Who was "we"? 

~ Did you take those 20 others back to their hotels?  Maybe see them safely to the door?

~ How many stories have 2K told?  What did they argue with Joran about in front of the judge?  Have 2k told the truth?  What do the recordings of their interrogations show?  Who asked the questions?

~ If 2K had told the truth on Monday morning, afternoon, or that week, how would the case have been handled differently?

~ Why would you call Natalee a slut?  What is your basis for using that word?

~ What are the responsibilities of the wheelman?  The taxi driver?  The getaway man?

~ Why would 2K lie with Joran?  What was wrong with the truth? 

~ Why do you lie????

[Destiny]

I have a question about Joran's passport...since I am so old and dumb I will need an answer rather quickly before I forget why I asked...but according to that passport it does indicate that Joran was in Thailand, right?  So does that make that photo of him in Thailand more plausible or not?

yes very plausible.

the visa dates match with the date the photo in Bangkok was taken (early april).
and also what this naieve guy Marten Brakx said.

he entered Thailand 4th of March. he was allowed to stay until April 2nd.
but he overstayed his visum and left Thailand April 19th.
so he probably had to pay a fine for that.

as to where he is now:

on the 25th of April he re-entered Thailand.
at the time the photocopy was taken he was still in Thailand due to the fact that the departure card was still in the passport.
he is allowed to stay until 24th of May.

Caesu....I tinks I wubs Ju...... ....THANK YOU!!!

[always 1]

impressive letter from Richard, it would make me think twice about going there...

[Observer]

Hi caesu I am just curious but do you like carnaval and the carribean music? I guess its more for the younger generation?

I see Chris Hodge is now a correspodent for 24ora as he did the filming and pictures for celebracion di Koninginnedag. http://www.24ora.com/content/view/4632/1/ Nothing bizarre about that,but this is Pietjezz who claimed early in the case Lorenzo was involved. Then recently admitted that he took part in the Aruba Bay Videos and has copies but will only hand them over to the FBI or KLPD. What a small world we live in.

[Destiny]

Destiny,
Here is a example of one of richards recent writings..This one was to to the Washington Redskins 

 I recently was informed that the cheerleaders of the Washington Redskinswill be taking part in a weekend photo shoot at an Aruba hotel next month.

 At first I could not comprehend this, but now my disbelief is suspended.
 My dismay and disgust, however, are as strong as they were when I first
 heard this news.

 May is a significant month for Americans in Aruba.  At the end of May,
 three years ago, a young American woman named Natalee Holloway vanished in
 Aruba.  And since the early morning of May 30, 2005, elements of the
 Aruban government and law enforcement have continued to thwart the campaign
 of Natalee's family for answers.

 The Aruban economy is 80 percent dependent on American tourism.
 Accordingly, it has every rational interest in promoting good relations with
 our country.  Instead, it has assailed Natalee's family, repeatedly bungled
 the investigation in what cannot be mere incompetence, and in the process
 has demonstrated that it is no fit place for anyone to visit.

 I therefore am appalled that your group would choose to provide Aruba with
 any shred of the glitz and glamour that it dearly seeks.  May I suggest that
 you provide each of the cheerleaders going there a copy of "Loving Natalee,"
 the book by Beth Holloway, as well as "Aruba," by Natalee's father Dave
 Holloway.

 Let your charges read about the treatment of the parents, and their
 supporters, on Aruba.

 Let them read about the searches on land, in the landfill, among the drug addict houses and worse.  Let them see reports of the attempts of the locals
to lure foreign tourists away from their groups.  Let them hear how
indifferent authorities were to finding out the truth.

 And let them take a look at one of the photographs of Natalee, during her
 high school years, in her marching band regalia.  That photograph is in
 Beth's book, "Loving Natalee."

 Then let them look in the mirror and think, "But for the grace of God,
 there go I."

 Maybe then they will decide that it is absolutely indecent for them to go
 to Aruba ... spitting in the faces of Natalee's family and of all those
 who have tried to keep the lesson of her case as a vibrant message to the
 public: "No justice for Natalee, no tourists for Aruba."

 Maybe then you will share their insight.  If not, may I suggest that you
 write to Natalee's parents explaining why you choose to give Aruba your
 business. But then again, Natalee wasn't your daughter, was she?

VERY IMPRESSIVE LETTER!    The only thing is....I'm looking to write a non-aggressive full page ad to the Local people of Aruba...not the perps....need to change the tone a little to get what we are looking for...Thank You for posting this well thought out letter!!!.....We have a lot to work with....the disgruntled little people...the ones who might have a heart to reach...get my drift...or, tell me if I'm all off base here...I don't think bashing...shaming them, has worked...I want to try another approach....

[Observer]

Whiskey I would love to send those questions to Deepak on my msn..But after he added me he refuses to even say hello   

[Observer]

VERY IMPRESSIVE LETTER!    The only thing is....I'm looking to write a non-aggressive full page ad to the Local people of Aruba...not the perps....need to change the tone a little to get what we are looking for...Thank You for posting this well thought out letter!!!.....We have a lot to work with....the disgruntled little people...the ones who might have a heart to reach...get my drift...or, tell me if I'm all off base here...I don't think bashing...shaming them, has worked...I want to try another approach....

Threats and Bashing is definetly not a good idea. If I was writing it I wouldnt even mention Beth or call Natalee a Angel. The truth will set them free and any subtle way you can put it,its time for them to make a stand. They know darn well who's killing the economy.

[texasmom]

Whiskey I would love to send those questions to Deepak on my msn..But after he added me he refuses to even say hello   

  That sounds about right for Deepak! 

[Observer]

Hi Monkeys,

News,

The area in question now is off limited to anyone. A steel chain from across road with a sign saying area prohibited.

The area have dried a lot but still a deep end with water in it. I went to see it yesterday and I could not have access anymore.

Another thing, today a group of CSI (52 in total ) arrived from holland are in Aruba to work on the case. (secret mission)

In news paper this week Nancy Grace in Aruba to do a film on the case.


More Later.