Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[GBMW]

i don't think it is too uncommon that people do drugs in airplane toilets.
but lighting a joint or cigarette is stupid because the smoke alarm goes off straight away.

i wonder if they handed him over the authorities.
maybe there is some truth in the earlier story that he was busted for drugs.

Hi caesu, seems he was transporting drugs for his own consumption... minor charge usually, but what happened there? any charges? or is he still getting away with crimes?... does anyone want to ever charge him with any of the offenses he has allegedly committed?

sure seems like someone is protecting him... but why?

he should have been charged. especially if travelling to/from thailand or hongkong. stricter laws on drugs.
maybe these details will become public later.

if he is not charged he is getting away with more offenses.

but he is really making a mess. loosing his passport. stealing money from this dutch guy. smoking weed in an airplane.
but this is probably his usual behaviour. only now everybody watches him.

why in the hey wasn't he arrested if he was smoking pot on a plane...isn't that illegal???!!!

i watched the RTL Boulevard segment now.

Peter R. de Vries said that the airline staff and Joran agreed to cover up to prevent him from being charged/detained because Thailand has heavy penalties on drugs offenses. it was on a flight to Bangkok.
someone in the airline tipped Peter R. de Vries of in an e-mail.
 

SO!!!

Since when did Peter Devries become Joran van der Sloot's protector?  Does he not claim to be an advocate for Natalee Holloway.  Devries is the witness for the prosecution if the Natalee Holloway case ever goes to court. Logic implies Joran is suppose to hate Peter because of the hidden camera incident.  What is wrong with this picture?
 
Devries is doing exact what Joran's parents ... the Aruban authorities ... the management of all the casino/night clubs have been doing all along ... teaching Joran van der sloot the boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to him.  Why is Joran so special that he gets a free pass for breaking airline rules but ... other are expected conform or face the consequences.

I am so angry!!!  I would get kicked out of the Monkey cage in a second if I articulated my opinion of Peter Devries.  All I will say ... the smokescreen is clearing and ... the real Peter Devries is being reveal.

caesu ... would you please provide a link to Peter Devries explanation of what took place in regards to the plane incident.

Thank you.

Janet

Janet, I've posted a link a few posts back. Peter did make a remark about Joran getting a pass AGAIN. They also mentioned Mart again in the show...Paulus & Anita responded to the letter he send...they stated "You understand we've got nothing to do with this"....Peter had a nasty remarkt about that attitude of his parents as well.

So please don't jump to conclusions....

For once I agree with Paulus and Anita.  What was Peter Devries solution ... bailing Joran out.

Thank you GBMW.

Hubby and I are going for walk with dog (couple plus dog) (two plus dog) LOL.

Maybe fresh air is where it is at.

Later, Janet.

Janet

Hi Janet,

don't understand that remark.....he wasn't pleased at all with the fact Joran got away with it.

And you agree with Paulus and Anita? I think it's not their place to pay back the money but surely they could have given a more appropiate response to their sons' criminal activities when one of his victims addresses you. A part of the reason Joran is today who he is comes from their parenting....or lack of that is. But then again...of course I haven't seen Marts letter nor theirs.

[bleachedblack]

Exactly GBMW, the Sloots have got to be totally fed up with Jorans antics at this point. Apart from his alleged criminal wrongs, this latest stint on the plane,and previously the wine in DeVries face to name but a few......he is a miserable excuse of an off spring and they should try the tough love and stop pandering to his actions.

[dennisintn]

i don't think it is too uncommon that people do drugs in airplane toilets.
but lighting a joint or cigarette is stupid because the smoke alarm goes off straight away.

i wonder if they handed him over the authorities.
maybe there is some truth in the earlier story that he was busted for drugs.

Hi caesu, seems he was transporting drugs for his own consumption... minor charge usually, but what happened there? any charges? or is he still getting away with crimes?... does anyone want to ever charge him with any of the offenses he has allegedly committed?

sure seems like someone is protecting him... but why?

he should have been charged. especially if travelling to/from thailand or hongkong. stricter laws on drugs.
maybe these details will become public later.

if he is not charged he is getting away with more offenses.

but he is really making a mess. loosing his passport. stealing money from this dutch guy. smoking weed in an airplane.
but this is probably his usual behaviour. only now everybody watches him.

why in the hey wasn't he arrested if he was smoking pot on a plane...isn't that illegal???!!!

i watched the RTL Boulevard segment now.

Peter R. de Vries said that the airline staff and Joran agreed to cover up to prevent him from being charged/detained because Thailand has heavy penalties on drugs offenses. it was on a flight to Bangkok.
someone in the airline tipped Peter R. de Vries of in an e-mail.
 

SO!!!

Since when did Peter Devries become Joran van der Sloot's protector?  Does he not claim to be an advocate for Natalee Holloway.  Devries is the witness for the prosecution if the Natalee Holloway case ever goes to court. Logic implies Joran is suppose to hate Peter because of the hidden camera incident.  What is wrong with this picture?
 
Devries is doing exact what Joran's parents ... the Aruban authorities ... the management of all the casino/night clubs have been doing all along ... teaching Joran van der sloot the boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to him.  Why is Joran so special that he gets a free pass for breaking airline rules but ... other are expected conform or face the consequences.

I am so angry!!!  I would get kicked out of the Monkey cage in a second if I articulated my opinion of Peter Devries.  All I will say ... the smokescreen is clearing and ... the real Peter Devries is being reveal.

caesu ... would you please provide a link to Peter Devries explanation of what took place in regards to the plane incident.

Thank you.

Janet

peter is at least talking about the stupid things jvds is doing.  peter didn't have anything to do with covering up the drug charges, that sounds like something jvds begged and cried his way out of by himself with the airline people.  personally i think immediate expulsion from the plane at the moment he was caught would have been a good thing, but then we'd never know where natalee is for sure.  so i'll wait.
dennisintn

[johan555]

Maybe I jumped to conclusion but ... why would the airline employee have contacted Derives.  I suspect it was at Joran's request.

Something is not right.  Devries is suppose to be Natalee Holloway's advocate.

Janet

i think there was a leak to P rd V

[Destiny]

G'night Monkeys....have a lot to think about......

[hotping]

Good Night Destiny! 

[Kiwi]

International flights usually are rather large planes with 300-400 passangers and flight crews of 14. Question why would any employee let a stranger risk the lives of passengers by smoking in a bathroom. Why wouldn't you let the authorities decide? Why would you risk your own employment? Then again I'm probably making a big deal about nothing, and the Dutch really are not at risk with any terrorist groups that like planes. So the story can't be true.

[Destiny]

Good Night Destiny! 

I *need* to know...is anyone else in with me on this one?...it takes a lot of time and work....will be glad to pass it on to the *right* Monkey....

[Observer]

Thank you Caesu and GBMW for the Info! This is Hollands most famous suspected criminal and I can't help but think the Higher Powers again let him off scott free. Why in gods name would anyone want to help Joran out? Sounds to me like they protected him once again so he didn't sit in a Thai prison and succumb to questioning from the FBI or anyone that would ask to question him!  If Martin didn't go public this probably would have all been swept under the carpet and we would of never known.MO

[SS]

i don't think it is too uncommon that people do drugs in airplane toilets.
but lighting a joint or cigarette is stupid because the smoke alarm goes off straight away.

i wonder if they handed him over the authorities.
maybe there is some truth in the earlier story that he was busted for drugs.

Hi caesu, seems he was transporting drugs for his own consumption... minor charge usually, but what happened there? any charges? or is he still getting away with crimes?... does anyone want to ever charge him with any of the offenses he has allegedly committed?

sure seems like someone is protecting him... but why?

he should have been charged. especially if travelling to/from thailand or hongkong. stricter laws on drugs.
maybe these details will become public later.

if he is not charged he is getting away with more offenses.

but he is really making a mess. loosing his passport. stealing money from this dutch guy. smoking weed in an airplane.
but this is probably his usual behaviour. only now everybody watches him.

why in the hey wasn't he arrested if he was smoking pot on a plane...isn't that illegal???!!!

i watched the RTL Boulevard segment now.

Peter R. de Vries said that the airline staff and Joran agreed to cover up to prevent him from being charged/detained because Thailand has heavy penalties on drugs offenses. it was on a flight to Bangkok.
someone in the airline tipped Peter R. de Vries of in an e-mail.
 

Something doesn't sound right with all of this.  If Joran was smoking pot on a plane, how does Peter de Vries or the airline staff have the ability to prevent him from being arrested?  Does Peter have the authority?  How was Peter able to communicate this coverup with an airline staff that he didn't even know?  I am wondering if any of this could be hype for Patrick's upcoming book.  Does it seem strange to anyone that Joran's passport was lost, photocopied, and then ended up here?  I guess that I have lost faith in the entire Patrick connection after we learned that Patrick didn't meet Joran for the first time in that Dutch casino and Patrick sent that anti boycott email to us.  I'm just thinking out loud.

[Observer]

Peter De Vries is absolutely powerless to do anything if this is all true. It has to be a connection with the Dutch Govt 

[AZSunny]

i don't think it is too uncommon that people do drugs in airplane toilets.
but lighting a joint or cigarette is stupid because the smoke alarm goes off straight away.

i wonder if they handed him over the authorities.
maybe there is some truth in the earlier story that he was busted for drugs.

Hi caesu, seems he was transporting drugs for his own consumption... minor charge usually, but what happened there? any charges? or is he still getting away with crimes?... does anyone want to ever charge him with any of the offenses he has allegedly committed?

sure seems like someone is protecting him... but why?

he should have been charged. especially if travelling to/from thailand or hongkong. stricter laws on drugs.
maybe these details will become public later.

if he is not charged he is getting away with more offenses.

but he is really making a mess. loosing his passport. stealing money from this dutch guy. smoking weed in an airplane.
but this is probably his usual behaviour. only now everybody watches him.

why in the hey wasn't he arrested if he was smoking pot on a plane...isn't that illegal???!!!

i watched the RTL Boulevard segment now.

Peter R. de Vries said that the airline staff and Joran agreed to cover up to prevent him from being charged/detained because Thailand has heavy penalties on drugs offenses. it was on a flight to Bangkok.
someone in the airline tipped Peter R. de Vries of in an e-mail.
 

SO!!!

Since when did Peter Devries become Joran van der Sloot's protector?  Does he not claim to be an advocate for Natalee Holloway.  Devries is the witness for the prosecution if the Natalee Holloway case ever goes to court. Logic implies Joran is suppose to hate Peter because of the hidden camera incident.  What is wrong with this picture?
 
Devries is doing exact what Joran's parents ... the Aruban authorities ... the management of all the casino/night clubs have been doing all along ... teaching Joran van der sloot the boundaries established by a civilized society do not apply to him.  Why is Joran so special that he gets a free pass for breaking airline rules but ... other are expected conform or face the consequences.

I am so angry!!!  I would get kicked out of the Monkey cage in a second if I articulated my opinion of Peter Devries.  All I will say ... the smokescreen is clearing and ... the real Peter Devries is being reveal.

caesu ... would you please provide a link to Peter Devries explanation of what took place in regards to the plane incident.

Thank you.

Janet

Janet, I've posted a link a few posts back. Peter did make a remark about Joran getting a pass AGAIN. They also mentioned Mart again in the show...Paulus & Anita responded to the letter he send...they stated "You understand we've got nothing to do with this"....Peter had a nasty remarkt about that attitude of his parents as well.

So please don't jump to conclusions....

Janet, I agree, I am not sure what upset you so much.  Let's just allow some time here we can always make a determination that we were wrong, but I just don't see it right now. I am still a fan.

[WhiskeyGirl]

Maybe I jumped to conclusion but ... why would the airline employee have contacted Derives.  I suspect it was at Joran's request.

Something is not right.  Devries is suppose to be Natalee Holloway's advocate.

Janet

i think there was a leak to P rd V

Why would Joran ever think he could take drugs on an airplane to Thailand?  Why would he actually do it?

Don't they warn people about stuff like that?  Don't they check at the gate?  Warn people?

[Blonde]

Why would Joran ever think he could take drugs on an airplane to Thailand?  Why would he actually do it?
Joran can tell the world he got rid of Natalee's body" not sure if she was dead".
He lies to everyone including ALE
He does drugs ,He steals from friends
BECAUSE HE CAN
GRRRRRRR

[johan555]

About peter :
That he came to know through an email from an employee of the airline afterwards .
To further "riots" would prevent them in the plane resolved and no further action taken.
Thailand is a little less friendly against 'criminals'.
And it was on Dutch ground (KLM plane)
As long as he flies over international waters can not land him on trial for smoking that joint.

[San]

Maybe I jumped to conclusion but ... why would the airline employee have contacted Derives.  I suspect it was at Joran's request.

Something is not right.   Devries is suppose to be Natalee Holloway's advocate.

Janet

I agree something isn't right.  But then again Janet we usually agree.

I will say this.  There is a plan in place.  I just don't know what the plan is yet but it will eventually click.  I will just watch this ridiculous game being played out.  This game started the day Joran threw the wine in Peter Devies face.

[San]

Exactly GBMW, the Sloots have got to be totally fed up with Jorans antics at this point. Apart from his alleged criminal wrongs, this latest stint on the plane,and previously the wine in DeVries face to name but a few......he is a miserable excuse of an off spring and they should try the tough love and stop pandering to his actions.

Paulus Van der Sloot = "I will do anything to protect my son"

How could Paulus be fed up with his son when he taught him everything he knows.

[johan555]

Normally they have to bring someone with drugs  to the airport police !

[johan555]

they give this  advice for Thailand :
Avoid any contact with drugs, including the Netherlands tolerated in so-called soft drugs. Very long prison sentences (to life and even the death penalty) may result. Even the smoking of hashish is punishable in Thailand.

[dennisintn]

Maybe I jumped to conclusion but ... why would the airline employee have contacted Derives.  I suspect it was at Joran's request.

Something is not right.  Devries is suppose to be Natalee Holloway's advocate.

Janet

i think there was a leak to P rd V

i agree with the leak theory.  it sounds like somebody didn't like the "cover jvds' butt" decision by the airline officials.  if there had been fewer people willing to cover up his crimes and stupidity for the last several years, natalee might be getting ready to start medical school next year. 
dennisintn