Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[always 1]

to Tamikosmom, HA!  Klassend gave me a face, so you cant see that Im still wearing my jammies.....the ones that say "in your dreams" on them....

[Tamikosmom]

OT/I'm sorry but how many times can you turn on Oprah and see Cher (age 61) and Tina Turner who's 68, shaking what they've got?

They are inspirational.  So pardon me for not paying attention.

Peaches ... completely understandable.  you got a choice.  Tamikosmom ... a 61 year old granny and ... then there is Cher ... a 61 year old WOW!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif[/img]

[Destiny]

to Tamikosmom, HA!  Klassend gave me a face, so you cant see that Im still wearing my jammies.....the ones that say "in your dreams" on them....

     good one!

[Tamikosmom]

OT/I'm sorry but how many times can you turn on Oprah and see Cher (age 61) and Tina Turner who's 68, shaking what they've got?

They are inspirational.  So pardon me for not paying attention.

Peaches ... completely understandable.  you got a choice.  Tamikosmom ... a 61 year old granny and ... then there is Cher ... a 61 year old WOW!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif[/img]

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Credit: Bearlyhere

[Destiny]

OT/I'm sorry but how many times can you turn on Oprah and see Cher (age 61) and Tina Turner who's 68, shaking what they've got?

They are inspirational.  So pardon me for not paying attention.

Peaches ... completely understandable.  you got a choice.  Tamikosmom ... a 61 year old granny and ... then there is Cher ... a 61 year old WOW!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif[/img]

I'll take TomikosMom...any old day....she can shake the chit out of Cher.....

[Tamikosmom]

OT/I'm sorry but how many times can you turn on Oprah and see Cher (age 61) and Tina Turner who's 68, shaking what they've got?

They are inspirational.  So pardon me for not paying attention.

Peaches ... completely understandable.  you got a choice.  Tamikosmom ... a 61 year old granny and ... then there is Cher ... a 61 year old WOW!

I'll take TomikosMom...any old day....she can shake the chit out of Cher.....

Well ... I better get shaking something right now.  Hubby went crab fishing with a friend yesterday and ... should be getting home shortly.  I would not want him getting the impression that I have been in front of the computer all day.  It's best he returns and finds me walking our dog.

 

Janet
2:00 PM

[Rob]

OT/I'm sorry but how many times can you turn on Oprah and see Cher (age 61) and Tina Turner who's 68, shaking what they've got?

They are inspirational.  So pardon me for not paying attention.

Peaches ... completely understandable.  you got a choice.  Tamikosmom ... a 61 year old granny and ... then there is MaudeCher ... a 61 year old WOW!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif[/img]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NglGyn8yE20



Hi Ladies

[Destiny]

OT/I'm sorry but how many times can you turn on Oprah and see Cher (age 61) and Tina Turner who's 68, shaking what they've got?

They are inspirational.  So pardon me for not paying attention.

Peaches ... completely understandable.  you got a choice.  Tamikosmom ... a 61 year old granny and ... then there is MaudeCher ... a 61 year old WOW!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Bearlyhere/dancinggrandma.gif[/img]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NglGyn8yE20



Hi Ladies

Helllllloooooooooooo Rob...and...Ladies we are....

[SS]

Janet,

This is a discussion between you and caesu that refers to the article.  It does mention Patrick's bungalow in the Netherlands, but in the previous paragraph in mentions the water sports business that is owned by Patrick's brother on Aruba.  This is where Patrick and Joran are said to have had lessons together.  I was very careful with the words that I chose in my email to Patrick.  I did not accuse him of previously knowing Joran.  I told him that I was disappointed to learn that he had previously known Joran.  He hasn't denied previously knowing him.

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SS ... I cannot comprehend why you are still defending CAPS.  I would have thought you would be upset.  After all ... your submission to Patrick's blog was based on CAPS' research ... research that implied that Patrick knew the VDS' for seven years and ... Patrick was a neighbour of Deepak and Satish.  Neither accusations can be support.

I am not a Patrick van der Eem fan but ...

Janet
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

CAPS:

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece


Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
 
it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

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SS:

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

38.  April 18th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Justice for Natalee Holloway said:

I am sincerely disappointed to learn that you have known the van der Sloots for seven years, lived across the street from the Kalpoes, and staged the entire video with your friend Joran. You should be ashamed of yourself. I, for one, will not be purchasing your volume of fiction and I have no intention of stopping my boycott of Aruba.
 
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Janet, I did not bring that post over to SM.  It was my response to Patrick when he sent us his boycott email.  I awoke this morning and saw that ******* had posted it from J4N.  I simply told ******* that it didn't come from J4N, but that it was my email response to Patrick over three weeks ago.  You are correct in that the source of that information was CAPS.  It was a Dutch newspaper article.  I don't read Dutch.  The article was posted with a translation for everyone to read including those on this site who do read Dutch.  There wasn't anyone here who corrected any information about Patrick and Joran knowing each other through the water sports business.  I accepted the translation to English as everyone else did.  I have to question why today the water sports connection and my three week old reference to it is suddenly being questioned.
     As far as I am concerned, Patrick has still not denied previously knowing Joran.  A statement of "nonsense" linked to nothing specific at the beginning of a paragraph is not something that I can accept as a denial.  Patrick said publicly to the world that he met Joran at a casino in Holland.  This had lots of worldwide play.  Any information to the contrary is really pretty big.  An unlinked and indirect statement of "nonsense" doesn't say much for me.  If Patrick had in fact not known Joran previously, I would epect at least a statement saying that "I did not know Joran previously".  This man's credibility is hanging on a string right now and he's about to release a book.  A vague, unattached "nonsense" doesn't cut the mustard.  As far as I am concerned, Patrick has not issued a denial.  The wrong Kalpoe family across the street is as we have since learned, an error.  I don't believe that the error was intentional.  I will also restate that my email to Patrick did not issue a direct accusation of knowing Joran or living across from the Kalpoes.  My statement to Patrick was an expression of my disappointment when I learned this information.  I would think that this would have been a perfect opportunity for Patrick to clear the record and issue an affirmative denial.  He didn't do it.  He didn't respond at all until his friend Jorik posted which was no doubt a well planned action.
     I understand that there are feelings of anger toward CAPS right now.  I see that other posters seem to have knowledge that he is misrepresenting himself and is someone other than who he appears to be.  I don't know who it is that he is supposed to be and this information has not been shared with me.  CAPS has not answered everyones questions and he is often very dificult to follow.  Sometimes it seems like he is all over the place and this is frustrating.  At the same time, CAPS has given us a lot of information about the belly of Aruba and I have to feel that he has put himself at risk to do this.  I could be completely wrong about CAPS and he could very well be another troll.  I just don't have any information that tells me this is the situation.  Is he frustrating? Yes. Does he hop around all over the place? Yes, just liike a flea.  Is he a troll or an Aruban plant?  Right now I have no reason to believe that.  Is his information sometimes not on target?  Yes, and I think that his information comes not only from libraries and registries, but also from people sources.  I don't think that all of the information that CAPS has given us can be documented.  The ALE can't be depended on for information.  They are either covering it up or withholding it.  The News isn'tdependable because much of it is controlled by Renfro and if what we are learning is even partially true, we can't believe a word.  The people who were involved with Natalee's tragedy aren't going to tell us anything and in fact will provide disinformation.  I believe that CAPS, even with some of the screwed up facts, is doing his best to give us the information that we need.  Once again, I could be wrong, but I will need to see proof that he has intentionally mislead us.

[Rob]

I saw the FP and was kinda of amazed that some posters were so upset that TES and Tim Miller would go back to Aruba and look for someone missing other than Natalee.

Isn't that what Tim and TES does? look for those missing regardless of race, creed, nationality, and gender? Maybe I got it all screwed up and I had it backwards this entire time. Or some need to getagrip!!

I have a picture (somewhere), I believe first brought forward by caesu, that should Hirsh Ballin and maybe Rudy Croes standing at the departure area of the airport where your immigration card is last stamped and there is clearly a pic of Mr. Jose Tromp on the window to the little booth. I've been looking for it and can't seem to locate it at the present.

Personally, I glad... very glad that Tim and TES will be going back to Aruba. There are a lot of people missing and Tim may stumble on to any one of them and having some type of relationship with a local family will be terrific. It can only mean better things in the future.

I have a feeling that more people will be missing on Aruba in the future if this issue isn't addressed in a competent manor.

Kudos to Tim and TES.

International Super-Heroes.

[SS]

I wasn't finished with my post above when it just posted itself.

     I will not be part of a group attack on CAPS.  I don't do nasty.  If someone can show me evidence of intentional misinformation or misrepresentation by CAPS, then I will certainly change my tune.  I will not jump all over him or anyone else though, because some people are annoyed or frustrated with him.  He has been open and forthright.  Before he even started blogging with us, he contacted Beth, Dave, TES, and the FBI to share his information with them.  He knew that TES had scanned the pond at Manserat long before we did.  He has made personal contact with Klaas and another poster.  He has email communication with Dave.  This just doesn't sound like a troll to me.  Is he perfect?  Nope, but neither am I.  I will not prematurely judge him or anyone else.

[Destiny]

I wasn't finished with my post above when it just posted itself.

     I will not be part of a group attack on CAPS.  I don't do nasty.  If someone can show me evidence of intentional misinformation or misrepresentation by CAPS, then I will certainly change my tune.  I will not jump all over him or anyone else though, because some people are annoyed or frustrated with him.  He has been open and forthright.  Before he even started blogging with us, he contacted Beth, Dave, TES, and the FBI to share his information with them.  He knew that TES had scanned the pond at Manserat long before we did.  He has made personal contact with Klaas and another poster.  He has email communication with Dave.  This just doesn't sound like a troll to me.  Is he perfect?  Nope, but neither am I.  I will not prematurely judge him or anyone else.

Well Said....and, I would hope...that could be said for any of us....we are all cyber Friends...Sleuths...Quirky...Angels in our own way....God/Goddess Bless our Diversity...

[KarmaRoundUp]

Good Moning Karma!

CAPS is the one who filled us in on Patrick knowing the van der Sloots and living across the street from the Kalpoe family.  He gave us a newspaper article that was written in Ducth and it is posted back on I think, the Shango thread.  It says that Joran and Patrick took part in water sports classes together at a water sports park that is/was owned by Patrick's brother.  The classes were about seven years ago.  Maybe Klaas or someone can find it and repost it.  Patrick has not denied that he did know Joran before their supposed in the Dutch casino last fall.  After I sent this email, he commented to a later poster (Jinx, I think) that the Kalpoes must have been in nappies when he lived across the street, but he didn't mention knowing Joran previously.  It seems that Castro also knew this information about Patrick knowing Joran and there are suppose to be comments on the camera and tape that was left on after Patrick's interview in Aruba.

Thanks SS,I'll go look for that.

[KarmaRoundUp]

SS ... it was revealed by caesu that CAPS' translation of the source he thought implied that there was a long time relationship between Patrick and the VDS' was incorrect.

Also ... CAPS' implication that Patrick live across the street from the Kalpoes' was a misunderstanding which was acknowledge by Klaas.  It was actually another Kalpoe family.

Janet

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PATRICK'S LONGTIME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VDS'?

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:
Hi Patrick,
I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.
Greetings,
Jorik

PATRICK’S RESPONSE
Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.

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PATRICK'S LONGTIME RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VDS'?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375280#msg375280

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 19, 2008, 06:31:47 PM

Here is your proof that where Patric lived in holland, he was only 15 minutes drive from the Sloot famaly and they know each other since 2003 according to this article.

check it out, it is in Dutch.

http://www.tctubantia.nl/algemeen/binnenland/2579829/Almelose-zakenman-ontfutselt-bekentenis.ece

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Quote from: caesu on April 19, 2008, 06:51:59 PM
 
it doesn't say that in that article.

it says he lives in a bungalow in Lathum - Zevenaar, 15 minutes from Arnhem.

and in 2003 he started his hydraulic hoses company in Almelo.

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #283 on: April 19, 2008, 07:23:44 PM »

 

caesu ... thank you.

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PATRICK WAS THE SATISH AND DEEPAK'S NEIGHBOUR?

Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 05:41:04 AM

Hi monkeys,

My research is going well,

Kalpoe                             Bodjhperkash S   5/2/1964                Distr. Wanica   Seroe Patrishi 14C
Kalpoe, geb. Debipersad   Santakoemarie   10/28/1968   Distr.Saramacca   Seroe Patrishi 14C

The Above names are the Father and Mother Kalpoe and their address is Seroe Patrishi 41C

Ospina                              Martha B                     11/20/1950   Barranquilla   Seroe Patrishi 14F
van der Eem                        Patrick P                 4/1/1973     Curacao                Seroe Patrishi 14F

Now in 2005 Patrick was register as living in Aruba. His Address is just 1 house down across the street from the Kalpoe's

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2733.msg372608#msg372608

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Quote from: Tamikosmom on April 19, 2008, 09:58:19 PM
 
I feel like I am in a twilight zone.

Could somebody please clarify.

Thank you.

Janet

1.  Kalpoes' Mother -  Nadira Ramirez
2.  Kalpoes; Stepfather - Ramirez  Luiz Antonio

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

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VMS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #326 on: April 19, 2008, 10:33:19 PM »

Hi Janet,

I don't understand it either. The Debipersad Kalpoe name was thrown around back in the beginning of the case because it is listed in the phone book. I've never seen anything to verify a connection to Deepak and Satish though. Maybe Caps will explain how he made the connection ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

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Klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #748 4/17 -
« Reply #325 on: April 19, 2008, 10:28:11 PM »

Janet - Hopefully Capslock will verify but I believe he may be wrong.  There must be another Kalpoe family (possibly related) that he's mixing up with the K2's mom and stepdad.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg375343;topicseen#msg375343

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Thank you Janet
So,to clarify......
1)May be different kalpoes living near Patrick....yes or no?
2)Did Patrick know joran for 7 years?

[MumInOhio]

I wasn't finished with my post above when it just posted itself.

     I will not be part of a group attack on CAPS.  I don't do nasty.  If someone can show me evidence of intentional misinformation or misrepresentation by CAPS, then I will certainly change my tune.  I will not jump all over him or anyone else though, because some people are annoyed or frustrated with him.  He has been open and forthright.  Before he even started blogging with us, he contacted Beth, Dave, TES, and the FBI to share his information with them.  He knew that TES had scanned the pond at Manserat long before we did.  He has made personal contact with Klaas and another poster.  He has email communication with Dave.  This just doesn't sound like a troll to me.  Is he perfect?  Nope, but neither am I.  I will not prematurely judge him or anyone else.

SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Three weeks ago, I sent Patrick an email response following the no boycott email that he sent to us.  This morning, I noticed that ******* had posted my email and said that it had come from J4N.  I responded to ******* and let him know that I was actually the author of what had originally been my email response to Patrick, and that it hadn't come from J4N.  Since that time, I have been asked twice to verify my source of information about Joran knowing Patrick.  What is this all about???  I never provided the information about Patrick previously knowing Joran and I never quoted anyone as having provided this information.  I simply told Patrick that I was disappointed to learn that he had previously known Joran.  He has never denied this in any response to me and in a later post to someone else, he accused Casto as being my source of information.  I don't know what is going on here at SM.  There appears to be some significant activity on Aruba right now.  Can't we just be happy and hopeful about this instead of trying to attack others?  Klaas, if it is OK with *******, would you please remove the post with the email to Patrick?  It's just too exhausting trying to keep up with demands for verification of something that I never originated.  I told Patrick that I had learned information.  I never posted anything as documented information.  I need a break.

I'm sorry SS....I was not targeting you.I only wondered if Patrick really knew joran 7 years ago and I would have posted my questions to anyone who posted about it.I was just wondering if we ever got a definite answer to all of that.

[Destiny]

When this thread is closed....might I ask someone to carry the/our article and any pertinant info to the next thread....TIA....My Dear Aunt is in hospital again.....Between her...and my business....I only have so much time....

Destiny

[KarmaRoundUp]

Good Moning Karma!

CAPS is the one who filled us in on Patrick knowing the van der Sloots and living across the street from the Kalpoe family.  He gave us a newspaper article that was written in Ducth and it is posted back on I think, the Shango thread.  It says that Joran and Patrick took part in water sports classes together at a water sports park that is/was owned by Patrick's brother.  The classes were about seven years ago.  Maybe Klaas or someone can find it and repost it.  Patrick has not denied that he did know Joran before their supposed in the Dutch casino last fall.  After I sent this email, he commented to a later poster (Jinx, I think) that the Kalpoes must have been in nappies when he lived across the street, but he didn't mention knowing Joran previously.  It seems that Castro also knew this information about Patrick knowing Joran and there are suppose to be comments on the camera and tape that was left on after Patrick's interview in Aruba.

POENTJE CASTRO

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

April 19th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Jorik said:

Hi Patrick,

I just noticed Justice for Natlee claims you’ve known the van der Sloots for 7 years and lived near the Kalpoes….and you didn’t respond to that…is that true? I doubt it but since you didn’t comment on it at all…..a bit weird.

Greetings,
Jorik


PATRICK’S RESPONSE
Total nonsense. Probably coming from this Casto tape. Funny how they believe that stuff, coz he is known as one of their biggest enemies if they really would care for Natalee. I start to doubt more and more the other information these people spread around. As far as the Kalpoe brothers go, they must have been in their nappies when I left Aruba.

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http://patrickvandereem.nl/stories/message-for-my-american-readers/

Friday, March 14th, 2008
Message for my American readers

Poentje Castro, a television reporter in Aruba, made a sneak recording of a private conversation with Patrick van der Eem, the insider in the Natalee Holloway case who recorded the confession of Joran van der Sloot during an undercover camera operation.  The temptation to slyly record a private conversation with the man who is now famous in Holland and the USA for recording a criminal confession must have been just too much to resist.

<snipped>

In another fragment that made headlines as hard news, Van der Eem is reported to have said: “because I already know him (Joran) for so many years”. However, at the end of the same sentence, he states that he knows Joran in flesh and blood only “for seven months” for the duration of the undercover operation plus aftermath. What he in fact says in the first part is that “he had already heard of him (Joran) for so many years”, as have so many of us since Natalee’s disappearance.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2745.msg368490;topicseen#msg368490

Thanks again Janet,that's the qoute I was looking for because it confused me.

[texasmom]

I saw the FP and was kinda of amazed that some posters were so upset that TES and Tim Miller would go back to Aruba and look for someone missing other than Natalee.

Isn't that what Tim and TES does? look for those missing regardless of race, creed, nationality, and gender? Maybe I got it all screwed up and I had it backwards this entire time. Or some need to getagrip!!

I have a picture (somewhere), I believe first brought forward by caesu, that should Hirsh Ballin and maybe Rudy Croes standing at the departure area of the airport where your immigration card is last stamped and there is clearly a pic of Mr. Jose Tromp on the window to the little booth. I've been looking for it and can't seem to locate it at the present.

Personally, I glad... very glad that Tim and TES will be going back to Aruba. There are a lot of people missing and Tim may stumble on to any one of them and having some type of relationship with a local family will be terrific. It can only mean better things in the future.

I have a feeling that more people will be missing on Aruba in the future if this issue isn't addressed in a competent manor.

Kudos to Tim and TES.

International Super-Heroes.

Hi Rob!
Thanks for bringing the information about TES over here.  I haven't been to the front page and haven't seen the comments; but I don't see Tim Miller turning his back on any family with a missing loved one.  I'm with you!  Kudos to Tim and TES!
 

[texasmom]

When this thread is closed....might I ask someone to carry the/our article and any pertinant info to the next thread....TIA....My Dear Aunt is in hospital again.....Between her...and my business....I only have so much time....

Destiny

Hi Destiny!
I read what you've sent for review from work and just wanted to say WELL DONE!!!!