Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[Tamikosmom]

Deepak obviously did not just drop Joran and Natalee off at the beach and ... drive home.  He knows too much ...

Janet

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THE KALPOES' INVOLVEMENT

Translation of the Natalee Holloway Case police report
Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot accuse each other
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN)

J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the shit.

<snipped>

D says to J: They’re going to give you 15 years if they find the girl.
J says to D: Why? Why?
D says to J: That scholarship of yours. Gooooooodbye, you can forget about it.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/04/translation-of-natalee-holloway-case.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.msg27023#msg27023

[Lala'sMom]

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on...

[San]

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on...

 

[Destiny]

Sending Prayers, and lighting candles for Klaas.....

Get Well Soon Sweetie...

[Observer]

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on...

I don't get her at all..I have read her post's the last few months and I am totally confused She seems to think the Van Der Sloots and Rene'e Gielen are the only ones who can be guilty of anything. I enjoyed your post's Briany,but I am confused why you would leave after all your hard work of defending Natalee and trying to find the truth. We can differ on how big this cover up is,but rest assured you are giving Paulus and Anita way too much credit.

[Observer]

Sending Prayers, and lighting candles for Klaas.....

Get Well Soon Sweetie...

We love you Klaas!  Please check in when you can and let us know you are ok..

[Tamikosmom]

Let us not forget that it was Deepak who escorted a drugged Natalee out of the bar to he car. We can differ on opinion,but this is what Beth & Dave  believe also and it's backed up by 3 witnesses. He went back and grabbed her like a Hyena grabbing his tranquilized prey and the bartender witness saw it and did nothing.. Why would Deepak do that if this was all for Joran? Rest assured,he is equally as guilty as Joran in the premeditated events. Joran drugged her and Deepak snagged her after the bar cleared out and the rape drug took affect.

It makes me want to puke seeing the Dutch program and De Vries portraying Natalee as a drunk horny teen creating her own demise from being careless. Making out with Joran,saying Beth was hitlers sister,K2 were slaves..etc Its all 100% BS told only by the main suspects who have lied about everything but yet the Dutch TV portrays it as real,never once revealing there true motives as predators..It's not even close to what happened,she was drugged,abducted and kidnapped. I will bet it all. Not only did they use Joran's lies as facts but they even had a dark skin actor play him to protect him and tried to say Natalee drugged herself with cocaine

You have to consider this is an old tape. Peter says there was a witness. Peter can make mistakes.

Your not able to solve things yourselves and blame people who are trying to find the truth.

The only thing you hope is that there is a big huge complot. Well it is a bit silly to think drugspeople are interested in the disappearance of one girl.

Goodbye, sort it out for yourselves. I don't come back.

I am trying to tell you the facts as we know them Briany. I could care less who is involved,I just want justice and answer's. Not sure what you mean by drugspeople as I am talking about Joran and his pimp friends. They didn't call themselves pimps for nothing. Is that bad for Aruba's tourism if they told the truth what JK2 were really doing that night? Apparently it is and it's a shame that not even once publicly they can show who really is the victim and who is the predator and what there real motives were for that night. Instead it was a drunk,horny Natalee who caused her own demise from being stupid and careless

This is all a healthy debate with people that have read everything for 3 years now,I do not understand why you would leave now after a good debate and fact gathering. No one here is a conspiracy theorist with agenda's to blame the Kalpoes because they are creeps,the truth is the evidence points directly right at them. No one said either Kalpoe violently murdered Natalee,the evidence says they knew Natalee was drugged,they were involved in the abduction and they know a lot more including something bad happened. If they see the girl they will see the shit! If they find that girl Joran you will get 15 years and that scholarship of yours you can say goodbye.

Thank you *******.There it is in deepak's own words.I sure don't know what truths and facts Briany is looking for.

I do not know either but ... I speculate that a hidden camera ... which captured the Kalpoes participation in the events that encompassed  the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would not suffice Briany.

I speculate that an Aruban agenda is being furthered.  That is what the Devries/vander Eem video recording was all about.

Think about it ... Joran implicated only himself in the Natalee Holloway case but ... not enough to be held legally responsible and ... he implicates Paulus in providing him with a cell phone in prison.

However ... he distanced the Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus as a participant in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  He distanced the "pimps" who could implicate Paulus.  He distanced those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach.  He distanced those within the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved or aware of the coverup and ... could implicate Paulus.

The gardener becomes a non-issue ... all the witness/suspect statements becomes non-issues ... all the suspicions which implied detainment becomes non-issues ... Mickey John's words to Greta becomes a non-issue ... the landfill witness becomes a non-issue ... the June 20, 2005 confession becomes an non-issue ...Lorenzo becomes a non issue.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING WAS ALL ABOUT KEEPING THE FOCUS ON JORAN ... KEEPING THE OUTCOME OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE SIMPLE ... APPEASING THE FAMILY AND ... CLOSING THE CASE.

Janet

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Joran persona non grata’
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

Justice-minister Rudy Croes does no longer want Joran van der Sloot on the island, because he has caused and is still causing a lot of damage to the image of Aruba.

ORANJESTAD – The minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has declared Joran van der Sloot, who is suspected of having murdered Natalee Holloway, persona non grata. Other than for judicial investigation, Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome on the island.

The ministry of Justice also proposes this vote of censure in the light of a package of measures to tackle the criminality problems among Aruban and Antillean young persons in the Netherlands that is agreed on in the Dutch cabinet. The Dutch Justice-minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is preparing a law that makes it possible to send them back to Aruba or the Antilles if necessary. “Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman that is not wanted in Aruba”, said the minister, who also knows that judicially, it’s going to be difficult to really deny him admission to the country. “I simply do not want him here.”

Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him. Justice is now investigating whether Van der Sloot must be dismissed as member of the special committee on the prison system. The same applies to his participation in the LAR-committee. Legislation Administration and Judicial Affairs is checking whether he can still be a lawyer. The president of the Bar, Ronald Wix indicated that there no reason for that yet. “If it turns out that what Joran said is true, we will take disciplinary measures. He indicated in a letter to the Dutch programme Pauw & Witteman that what Joran said it is not true.”

All eyes are now focused on the declaration that Joran van der Sloot wants to give to the police. According to his lawyers’ firm in the Netherlands, he hadn’t done that yet yesterday. On no account does the Public Prosecutor (OM) want to say where, when, or if there’s going to be an encounter. The ministry of Justice said that two detectives from Aruba had gone to the Netherlands for this. Also chief prosecutor Hans Mos is in the Netherlands, but supposedly on vacation.

Because the suspect has voluntarily committed to give a statement, the OM must passively wait a see whether Van der Sloot will come to the police station. Arresting him is impossible, as long as the examining magistrate in Oranjestad does not give permission for this. The OM had till this afternoon to submit the court of Justice with all relevant information and objections regarding the appeal against the decision that the examining magistrate made last week, not to arrest Joran. The court will decide on this next week.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

<snipped>

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

April 16th, 2008 at 12:38 am
I do know that Hans Mos from the moment Peter R. de Vries has been showing him the tapes has been working incredibly hard to get the evidence on the table that Joran did not only dispose of a body (carries a maximum jail sentence of 6 months in Holland), but to find the evidence that Joran can be accused of “murder” or “manslaughter” because it became clear from huis confession that he never checked if Natalee was really dead.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

[Destiny]

Does anyone really still think Mos is going to do anything?

The forum seems to be going around in circles on old facts and old quotes. IMO Mos CLOSED the criminal case against J2K FOUR months ago and then released the three as suspects. The Judge agreed they were no longer suspects and forbid the prosecution to investigate or question them any further without substantial new evidence. As a  matter of fact the Judge said they could never be suspects again without new evidence and a rearrest.

You may wish to disagree with me, but the Dutch have closed the case. No suspects, no body, no case, and no prosecution.

Spock, for all PRACTICAL purposes -- you may be right. But, for the LEGAL purposes -- the case is re-opened and Joran is an OFFICAL suspect. We go through this with you all the time. It gets tiresome.

Agree Wreck....I've been told....the case is NOT closed...

[Tamikosmom]

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Could you please change the yellow highlight in my post to red and ... could you please add ... Lorenzo becomes a non-issue.

Thank you.

Janet

[Observer]

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Could you please change the yellow highlight in my post to red and ... could you please add ... Lorenzo becomes a non-issue.

Thank you.

Janet

Excellent work Janet and I agree with you 1000% percent!

[Tamikosmom]

*******

Could you please change the yellow highlight in my post to red and ... could you please add ... Lorenzo becomes a non-issue.

Thank you.

Janet

Excellent work Janet and I agree with you 1000% percent!

Thanks *******.

I hope you are having a good day.

Janet
2:00 PM

[sirensong]

Let us not forget that it was Deepak who escorted a drugged Natalee out of the bar to he car. We can differ on opinion,but this is what Beth & Dave  believe also and it's backed up by 3 witnesses. He went back and grabbed her like a Hyena grabbing his tranquilized prey and the bartender witness saw it and did nothing.. Why would Deepak do that if this was all for Joran? Rest assured,he is equally as guilty as Joran in the premeditated events. Joran drugged her and Deepak snagged her after the bar cleared out and the rape drug took affect.

It makes me want to puke seeing the Dutch program and De Vries portraying Natalee as a drunk horny teen creating her own demise from being careless. Making out with Joran,saying Beth was hitlers sister,K2 were slaves..etc Its all 100% BS told only by the main suspects who have lied about everything,but yet the Dutch TV portrays it as real,never once revealing there true motives as predators..It's not even close to what happened,she was drugged,abducted and kidnapped. I will bet it all. Not only did they use Joran's lies as facts but they even had a dark skin actor play him to protect him and tried to say Natalee drugged herself with cocaine

Right on, *******.  I don't post a whole lot, but I have watched this board since Natalee disappeared, and these Monkeys know what they are talking about.  I have read everything they have read.  There is tons of information in the archives.  It is hard for a newer person to come in and know what all the Monkeys know.  Briany, there is no reason for anyone here to tell you something that is not true.  They have kept up on every piece of information that is available.  I think it is a matter of you reading back, then forming an opinion.  There's plenty of information about the Kalpoes being neck deep into whatever happened to Natalee.  You can't believe a work Joran OR the Kalpoes say, as they are protecting themselves.  Just read what the Monkeys have offered as evidence.

Klass, I am so sorry you are so sick.  Hugs and kisses to make it better!!  We miss you.

[sirensong]

And I would like to ask Patrick what the hell Mos is working so hard on, that it is all these months, years later that he can't charge Joran and the Kalpoes.  THE EVIDENCE is either in the police reports, and if it is not, then someone got rid of it.  That is the big problem, no one knows what happened to the evidence.  It WAS there, where is it now?  We were told we are not allowed to know the evidence.  We do know some of it, and it should be enough to solve this case.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Let us not forget that it was Deepak who escorted a drugged Natalee out of the bar to he car. We can differ on opinion,but this is what Beth & Dave  believe also and it's backed up by 3 witnesses. He went back and grabbed her like a Hyena grabbing his tranquilized prey and the bartender witness saw it and did nothing.. Why would Deepak do that if this was all for Joran? Rest assured,he is equally as guilty as Joran in the premeditated events. Joran drugged her and Deepak snagged her after the bar cleared out and the rape drug took affect.

It makes me want to puke seeing the Dutch program and De Vries portraying Natalee as a drunk horny teen creating her own demise from being careless. Making out with Joran,saying Beth was hitlers sister,K2 were slaves..etc Its all 100% BS told only by the main suspects who have lied about everything but yet the Dutch TV portrays it as real,never once revealing there true motives as predators..It's not even close to what happened,she was drugged,abducted and kidnapped. I will bet it all. Not only did they use Joran's lies as facts but they even had a dark skin actor play him to protect him and tried to say Natalee drugged herself with cocaine

You have to consider this is an old tape. Peter says there was a witness. Peter can make mistakes.

Your not able to solve things yourselves and blame people who are trying to find the truth.

The only thing you hope is that there is a big huge complot. Well it is a bit silly to think drugspeople are interested in the disappearance of one girl.

Goodbye, sort it out for yourselves. I don't come back.

I am trying to tell you the facts as we know them Briany. I could care less who is involved,I just want justice and answer's. Not sure what you mean by drugspeople as I am talking about Joran and his pimp friends. They didn't call themselves pimps for nothing. Is that bad for Aruba's tourism if they told the truth what JK2 were really doing that night? Apparently it is and it's a shame that not even once publicly they can show who really is the victim and who is the predator and what there real motives were for that night. Instead it was a drunk,horny Natalee who caused her own demise from being stupid and careless

This is all a healthy debate with people that have read everything for 3 years now,I do not understand why you would leave now after a good debate and fact gathering. No one here is a conspiracy theorist with agenda's to blame the Kalpoes because they are creeps,the truth is the evidence points directly right at them. No one said either Kalpoe violently murdered Natalee,the evidence says they knew Natalee was drugged,they were involved in the abduction and they know a lot more including something bad happened. If they see the girl they will see the shit! If they find that girl Joran you will get 15 years and that scholarship of yours you can say goodbye.

Thank you *******.There it is in deepak's own words.I sure don't know what truths and facts Briany is looking for.

I do not know either but ... I speculate that a hidden camera ... which captured the Kalpoes participation in the events that encompassed  the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... would not suffice Briany.

I speculate that an Aruban agenda is being furthered.  That is what the Devries/vander Eem video recording was all about.

Think about it ... Joran implicated only himself in the Natalee Holloway case but ... not enough to be held legally responsible and ... he implicates Paulus in providing him with a cell phone in prison.

However ... he distanced the Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus as a participant in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  He distanced the "pimps" who could implicate Paulus.  He distanced those who assisted Paulus in moving Natalee from the beach.  He distanced those within the Aruban/Dutch administrations who were involved or aware of the coverup and ... could implicate Paulus.

The gardener becomes a non-issue ... all the witness/suspect statements becomes non-issues ... all the suspicions which implied detainment becomes non-issues ... Mickey John's words to Greta becomes a non-issue ... the landfill witness becomes a non-issue ... the June 20, 2005 confession becomes an non-issue ...Lorenzo becomes a non issue.

THE DEVRIES/VAN DER EEM VIDEO RECORDING WAS ALL ABOUT KEEPING THE FOCUS ON JORAN ... KEEPING THE OUTCOME OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE SIMPLE ... APPEASING THE FAMILY AND ... CLOSING THE CASE.

Janet

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Joran persona non grata’
Amigoe.com
02/08/2008

Justice-minister Rudy Croes does no longer want Joran van der Sloot on the island, because he has caused and is still causing a lot of damage to the image of Aruba.

ORANJESTAD – The minister of Justice, Rudy Croes has declared Joran van der Sloot, who is suspected of having murdered Natalee Holloway, persona non grata. Other than for judicial investigation, Joran van der Sloot is no longer welcome on the island.

The ministry of Justice also proposes this vote of censure in the light of a package of measures to tackle the criminality problems among Aruban and Antillean young persons in the Netherlands that is agreed on in the Dutch cabinet. The Dutch Justice-minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is preparing a law that makes it possible to send them back to Aruba or the Antilles if necessary. “Let Joran be the first example of a Dutchman that is not wanted in Aruba”, said the minister, who also knows that judicially, it’s going to be difficult to really deny him admission to the country. “I simply do not want him here.”

Also Joran’s father, lawyer Paul van der Sloot seems to fall into disfavour with the Justice-minister. The justice-department does not rule out the fact that the lawyer has smuggled in a cellular phone for his son, when he was in prison. Joran mentioned that when the Dutch crime journalist Peter R. de Vries was secretly recording him. Justice is now investigating whether Van der Sloot must be dismissed as member of the special committee on the prison system. The same applies to his participation in the LAR-committee. Legislation Administration and Judicial Affairs is checking whether he can still be a lawyer. The president of the Bar, Ronald Wix indicated that there no reason for that yet. “If it turns out that what Joran said is true, we will take disciplinary measures. He indicated in a letter to the Dutch programme Pauw & Witteman that what Joran said it is not true.”

All eyes are now focused on the declaration that Joran van der Sloot wants to give to the police. According to his lawyers’ firm in the Netherlands, he hadn’t done that yet yesterday. On no account does the Public Prosecutor (OM) want to say where, when, or if there’s going to be an encounter. The ministry of Justice said that two detectives from Aruba had gone to the Netherlands for this. Also chief prosecutor Hans Mos is in the Netherlands, but supposedly on vacation.

Because the suspect has voluntarily committed to give a statement, the OM must passively wait a see whether Van der Sloot will come to the police station. Arresting him is impossible, as long as the examining magistrate in Oranjestad does not give permission for this. The OM had till this afternoon to submit the court of Justice with all relevant information and objections regarding the appeal against the decision that the examining magistrate made last week, not to arrest Joran. The court will decide on this next week.

http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2008/02/joran-persona-non-grata-amigoe.html


Peter Devries
On the Record w/ Greta
February 8, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

I am not going into any claims of possible corruption in Aruba from the moment Natalee disappeared because I do not have the knowledge, nor the evidence, that there has been any official government corruption in this case. God knows if the father of Joran has used personal contacts to try to influence the outcome of the case when he was a judge in training. If so, than I would not call it official corruption, but the act of a man who is not even Aruban.

<snipped>

If it was a perfect world the bad guy would always go to jail, but it is not a perfect world. Yours neither Aruba’s. The boycott can go on forever, but at a certain point it ceases to be any good for anyone and that point started after I got Joran’ confession and Beth found peace after she came to know what happened to her daughter.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

April 16th, 2008 at 12:38 am
I do know that Hans Mos from the moment Peter R. de Vries has been showing him the tapes has been working incredibly hard to get the evidence on the table that Joran did not only dispose of a body (carries a maximum jail sentence of 6 months in Holland), but to find the evidence that Joran can be accused of “murder” or “manslaughter” because it became clear from huis confession that he never checked if Natalee was really dead.

http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/

I totally agree Janet.While it was a good thing(Peter getting joran on tape in all of his crude glory)it sure doesn't solve the case.Those joran tapes also will never appease justice.I'm almost apalled that Mos and ALE AND Patrick would think we would just settle for the joran tapes being the truth.I am disgusted that Patrick would think that the joran tapes would/could give Beth and Dave a sense of justice for thier beloved Natalee.
I am also disgusted that still,after almost 3 years some will come here and seek to make any of the suspects"seem innocent"

[Lala'sMom]

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on...

I don't get her at all..I have read her post's the last few months and I am totally confused She seems to think the Van Der Sloots and Rene'e Gielen are the only ones who can be guilty of anything. I enjoyed your post's Briany,but I am confused why you would leave after all your hard work of defending Natalee and trying to find the truth. We can differ on how big this cover up is,but rest assured you are giving Paulus and Anita way too much credit.

Actually, if you were to believe that the Kalpoes are innocent, why not stick around and defend them?  I have done that with other things when I was being brow beaten by the best of them before.  I was hoping we could tango a little in the other forum...seems Briany has some idea as to whom she thinks are Shango and Simian.  It would have been an interesting discussion for sure.

[briany]

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on...

I don't get her at all..I have read her post's the last few months and I am totally confused She seems to think the Van Der Sloots and Rene'e Gielen are the only ones who can be guilty of anything. I enjoyed your post's Briany,but I am confused why you would leave after all your hard work of defending Natalee and trying to find the truth. We can differ on how big this cover up is,but rest assured you are giving Paulus and Anita way too much credit.

Actually, if you were to believe that the Kalpoes are innocent, why not stick around and defend them?  I have done that with other things when I was being brow beaten by the best of them before.  I was hoping we could tango a little in the other forum...seems Briany has some idea as to whom she thinks are Shango and Simian.  It would have been an interesting discussion for sure.

It also pity for the Dutch forum. Other people have to ask questions if they want to know things. Anyway I did in the first place my best to defend Natalee and her mother. I don't want to be attacked the way some people do here. For me its very tyring and the whole case is not my problem. I am a private person, have nothing to do with nobody wanted to make up my own opinion, tell you what i was thinking and ask question but the reactions in this forum are not good for my health.

It's also difficult to do it all in a different lanquage.

By the way: If seen the guy looks like Kalpoe.

If I ever post again, I will do it in Dutch in the Dutch treath but I think I beter find myself something else to concentrate on.

It is not my problem, after all.

Goodbye everybody.

[friend of monkeys]

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on...

 

san....sending you a hug and shoulder massage....BREATHE...

SPEAKING of BREATHING..... ANY WORD ON KLASS???

[Tamikosmom]

Briany ... I am sincere.

Do you have an emotional/ family connection to the Kalpoes?  Do you have a connection to the ALE/ ATA in any way?

This morning and the other day ... I worked very hard using the SM and my desktop search engine to retrieve credible backup to convince you that the Kalpoes had to have been involved in the events which encompassed the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Other Monkeys did likewise.

Your only response was to undermine or ... simply state that you did not believe quotes.  Briany ... that is not a dialogue.

I would love to know what your foundation is where you derive your belief in regards to the Kalpoe's innocence.

However ... the time I spent was not in vain.  I consider it a refresher course ... a reminder that justice for Natalee Holloway was never a consideration from the getgo ... a reminder that I cannot be detracted from that truth.

Janet 

[Rob]

It is not my problem, after all.

that's the apathy that permeates this case.

Goodbye Briany.

[friend of monkeys]

Any word on Klass???

TY