Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 - 5/8/08

[MumInOhio]

HMMMMMM.  Did Briany leave?   I feel a song coming on...

 

hehe

Good Morning...talking about songs and colors...I see Briany's 'True Colors Shining Through'!

[Destiny]

*This just in from Diario*

*Hi XXXXXXX;

Sorry that I have not answer your call. That's because that we are not working since April 29. We have had off days April 30, May 1, May 2, May 3 was Saturday, May 4 Sunday and we begin to work today.

How is everything. Here still nothing about the case. But I think we gone write something for the end of this month when it will be the date that Natalee has disapeared.

I let you know if we gone do something.*



I'll call today regarding the full page ad...we discussed a few days ago....I think we should try to coincide it with their article...double whammy 

I'll see if we can get them to *work* with us...for the most impact....put your thinking caps on Monkeys!  They will have photos...and we must have at least one photo of Natalee...and one of ...Beth...

I will have the info we need by this afternoon....Destiny...

[GBMW]

******* ... I disagree.  Something was very wrong.

Briany was firm in her position regarding the innocence of the Kalpoes and the guilt of Joran ... firm in her position without providing any credible backup.  When the Devries/van der Sloot video recording is considered ... the video recording that implicates only Joran ... this is very suspicious.

******* ... please look back on this thread.  Monkeys afforded Briany the research which they had accumulated over a three year period in a sincere attempt to convince her that the Kalpoes should not be given a free pass.  This research was not appreciated ... it was underminded and disregarded.  Briany was not open to any backup to the contrary and ... she made that very clear.  It was as though she had an agenda to pursue and ... nothing that contradicted that agenda was a consideration.

I had a gut feeling that something was not right when ... the other day ... Briany referred to the corrupt investigation that has denied Natalee Holloway justice as a baby (little) coverup.

Janet

Janet you hit the nail on the head and I agree with you.

Saying that Briany is here for a reason, proves to me (and to the Dutch people of course who have more brains than the average poster here) that your indeed are not the most intelligent person of the world.
On FOK and other fora it is said a lot of times: "The Scared Monkeys are stupid plotthinkers who can't think for themselves".

There are some things wrong in the statemens and they can proof a few things. I tried to explane this, but I'am not going to argue if you can not read for yourself. It is not a riddle, it is there.
You refuse to read, instead you prefer to accuse everybody who's name you have heard and do not care who is blamed for what happened to Natalee, as long as you can be into plottinking. As long as Dr. Phil or other mediapeople says so, it is defenitely true.
 
Follow the leader, what they say is true.

You did not even manage to solve one little thing in three years. In stead you start to solve riddles from all over the world, like

Brian(y), is it a he or a she? How silly people can get. I am of course neighter Brian or Briany. Clever he?
Most of the posters here are grandmothers that have nothing else to do than parrot eachother or the media.

This a needed to say. I stay to post in the Dutch people. That were the more intelligent people post. If they want to discuss something, at least they give reasons why I see it wrong instead of calling "but Dr. Phil says" or "but this and this person says".

As far as the "baby-coverup": I am not English and translated in directly from the way I speak, but you are too stupid to realise that. You are not even capable of speaking another language yourselve.


Have a lot of fun in the thearoom.

Hi Briany,

I'm also not that convinced about the involvement of the Kalpoe Brothers or the huge cover up as most SM posters are. Neither do I believe that Peter, Joran & Patrick worked together...that the confessionshow was a cover up...and I'm not for a boycott....but I respect people that are on Natalee's & her loved ones side no matter what. And because of this I post here.
All of the posters here only want justice for Natalee...no matter who is involved....but this doesn't mean everybody has the same opinion.

I think it's too bad you seem to want to leave because not everybody agrees with you....if you want to change opinions /perspectives of some posters try to bring information to the board that will make them think about it. If not, respect their views & go you own course on this board when it comes to your views on that particular subject...let it be.

Some posters gave links / info etc....check them out and think about it...maybe your views will change or you'll see things differently...maybe not...but you should be able to discuss this in a 'normal' way & respect it if people have a different opinion.

I just don't think it's necessary for you or any other poster to get rude if one doesn't share the same opinion. Those kind of posts aren't very helpful in this (or any other) discussion.

Just hope you'll stay on this board Briany...I have enjoyed your posts. Just try to discuss in a 'normal' way and if the discussion doesn't work out...just agree to disagree.

Greetings of a another Dutch poster!
GBMW

[MumInOhio]

*This just in from Diario*

*Hi XXXXXXX;

Sorry that I have not answer your call. That's because that we are not working since April 29. We have had off days April 30, May 1, May 2, May 3 was Saturday, May 4 Sunday and we begin to work today.

How is everything. Here still nothing about the case. But I think we gone write something for the end of this month when it will be the date that Natalee has disapeared.

I let you know if we gone do something.*



I'll call today regarding the full page ad...we discussed a few days ago....I think we should try to coincide it with their article...double whammy 

I'll see if we can get them to *work* with us...for the most impact....put your thinking caps on Monkeys!  They will have photos...and we must have at least one photo of Natalee...and one of ...Beth...

I will have the info we need by this afternoon....Destiny...

Thanks Destiny...I love the photo of Natalee that was posted, I think by Blonde, at the end of the last thread!

[Blonde]

[Peaches]

Briany, absolutely NO ONE disputes the Skeeter tape is that of Deepak. Not Deepak himself, nor his staunchest supporters. Deepak claims the tape is "altered" -- but he does admit he in deed gave the interview to Skeeters. No offense intended, but when did you start following this case? You don't seem to be aware of many things that are undisputed facts.

Thank you, wreck.  I'm with you. 
This is providing a nice review of all the reasons the K2 are in this up to the eyeballs.  The fact remains the K2 are lying POS, just like their buddy Joran.  Of course, Joran could have just been using the K2 for rides, etc. but the bottom line is IF they are innocent, they sure don't act like it.

briany, PEOPLE WITH NOTHING TO HIDE, HIDE NOTHING.   
The K2, like most of those people down there, seem incapable of telling the truth.  If they didn't do anything and weren't involved, they need to shut up and furnish the documents to the court or drop the suit against Dr. Phil.  They are not going to win.  Failure to produce documents is but one way to be sure to irritate the judge.  Our courts are busy.  I'm surprised the judge hasn't chased this case out of court for lack of evidence, among many other things.

Good morning.

[Destiny]

*This just in from Diario*

*Hi XXXXXXX;

Sorry that I have not answer your call. That's because that we are not working since April 29. We have had off days April 30, May 1, May 2, May 3 was Saturday, May 4 Sunday and we begin to work today.

How is everything. Here still nothing about the case. But I think we gone write something for the end of this month when it will be the date that Natalee has disapeared.

I let you know if we gone do something.*



I'll call today regarding the full page ad...we discussed a few days ago....I think we should try to coincide it with their article...double whammy 

I'll see if we can get them to *work* with us...for the most impact....put your thinking caps on Monkeys!  They will have photos...and we must have at least one photo of Natalee...and one of ...Beth...

I will have the info we need by this afternoon....Destiny...

Thanks Destiny...I love the photo of Natalee that was posted, I think by Blonde, at the end of the last thread!

Thanks Mum!....I love that photo too....it looks a little dark on my computer...I'll also find out what is the best dpi for the paper...we might need to resize it too...may with a caption under it with something like...*please help me go home, to rest with my Family*....need very much input from you Monkeys...I can't write this all by myself...I *talk* best

[Observer]

Have a great Monday everyone! Klaas we miss you!!!

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Blonde...a beautiful picture of a beautiful young woman...

[Tamikosmom]

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The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

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I agree Briany.  In his own own words ... Deepak states that he was "frustrating" the investigation prior to Natalee Holloway being missed by her Mountain Brook friends.

Janet

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Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005

To your question as to who John Charles CROES is, where he lives and how often I have chatted to him on "MSN", I can say the following.  The afore mentioned John lives with his whole family in Miami. I have known him since school. We were together at the MAVO. On Monday Mai 30th 2005 I had chatted with John from about 02:40 to 03:30 hours. We didn't chat continually. From time to time I went and watched some TV. But I am sure that he was online during the time-frame I just mentioned above here.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 29, 2005

You are telling me that John Charles CROES has stated that I wrote while I was chatting with him that I had written that the girl had put her hands in/down my pants, I can say the following. I did this to frustrate/mess up the investigation. 

[Rob]

Good Morning everyone-

I sure Hope Klaas is feeling better today... I sure miss ya!!! Get well soon!!!

_____________

Janet, do you have the quote from Jorge Pesquera where he indicates there was a cover-up?

Something like this -

Beth: 'I asked if there was a cover-up and Mr Pesquera said' ~ "yes, yes there was".

TIA

[Tamikosmom]

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The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

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Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.

[Tamikosmom]

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The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

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“NO MAN HAS A GOOD ENOUGH MEMORY TO MAKE A SUCCESSFUL LIAR.”  Abraham Lincoln

Why were Deepak Kalpoe’s inconsistencies in his declarations regarding his departure from Carlos 'N Charlies not challenged by interrogators?

1.  Did or did not Natalee introduce herself?
2.  Did or did not Deepak use his cell phone?
3.  Did or did not Deepak sit outside his vehicle ... Satish had the keys?
4.  Did or did not Satish return to the vehicle ahead of Joran and Natalee?
5.  ...
 
It is said that lies are created to cover the truth.  What truth was Deepak attempting to cover regarding the departure from Carlos ‘n Charlies on the evening of May 30, 2005?

Janet

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Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005

I continued to walk around in Carlos & Charlies in search of my brother and Joran but I could not find them. I knew for certain that my brother and Joran were not in Carlos & Charlies at that moment because I had looked around the whole place. At that time it was 01.00 and everyone started leaving.

On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 01.05, I walked to my car to wait for Joran and my brother. Around 01.12 Satish and Joran came to my car. My brother sat beside me in the car and then in the mirror, I saw that Joran and the blonde girl that had been dancing on the stage, sat in the back seat. I greeted the girl in English and she greeted me in English.  The girl did not introduce herself.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

When I turned around Satish and Joran were nowhere to be seen. They hadn't even told that they were leaving. I looked for them for a short while, but hadn't found them. I was in the bathroom for a little while. I have no patience to look. After the bathroom I looked around somewhat. I walked past the bar, past the glass section where the "Carlos & Charlies" souvenirs of "Carlos & Charlie" are sold to the outside. When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing, I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 11, 2005

I had turned around and talked to my friend. After a while I turned around and noticed that Satish, Joran and the girl Natalee were not there any more where I had last seen them stand. I then searched for them in the club but without result. Then I went to look near the bathrooms. I also didn't find them there, I then used the bathroom myself. . After I walked out of the bathroom, I called Joran on his mobile phone. He did not answer. I walked to the parking lot where my car was parked. When I arrived at my car I sat on the ground next to my car, because my brother had the keys. I then called my brother on his mobile phone. I had almot no more minutes on my pre-paid phone so I called him in a way that produces what in English is called a “miss call”. After that my brother phoned me back, I asked him where they were and he said they were still inside and that he would come. After a while Satish came walking, I asked him where Joran was and he said that Joran was still inside. I told Satish to give me the keys and to go find Joran. Satish left again and I got into my car. I stayed inside of the car with the door open. I had one leg outside the car and I was playing music and adjusting my radio set-up. After a while I heard the door on the passenger side open. I saw Satish getting into the car. Joran opened the door behind Satish and also got into the car. I cannot remember if the girl got into the same car door. I do know that she sat down behind me. I turned around somewhat and introduced myself to the girl. She had told me that her name was Natalee.

[GBMW]

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The statement are in the: Police File and Civil Case Documents.
They can tell more than anonymous people or people who are "important" on TV.

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Freddy Arambatzis
Witness Statement
June 12, 2005

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house.

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.

Freddy got this from Joran....and he had every reason to include the brothers in this story.

And if this was the real story....what about the messaging that clearly indicates that Deepak was waiting at home for Joran to let him know he got home ok....why send Deepak a message: I'm home now..thanks for waiting. Waiting for what then?

If you don't believe the computerrecords...that they did something with it...why would Joran give an ok to create false alibi / computerstuff that surely incriminates him. He would never do this jmo.


 

[crazybabyborg]

Morning All! I miss Klaas too!

The Kalpoe brothers are involved, either by comission or omission, in my firm opinion. All you have to do is review the Police taped conversation from the car when they were speaking with Joran. They know much more than what they've said.

[caesu]

tonight Hero Brinkman @ Pauw & Witteman.

one subject is the War in Afghanistan.

but Aruba / Antilles might also come up.
as the restructuring of the Antilles is not yet resolved.

today the PVV issued a press release to complain that in the upcoming talks they are not allowed to speak about corruption.
http://www.allepersberichten.nl/persbericht/5610/1/Brinkman-Geen-overleg-met-Antillen-meer/

Brinkman: “Ik beledig niemand als ik feitelijk vaststel dat Antilliaanse politici aldaar grotendeels corrupt zijn. Hun incompetentie bewijzen ze bijna wekelijks. Dat zijn feitelijkheden”.

“De Antillen gedragen zich nu als opnieuw als een gemiddelde Afrikaanse bananenrepubliek: corrupt en geen vrijheid van spreken voor mensen met een andere mening”

i still encourage to send him information about the corruption / cover-up on Aruba.
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

end of May Hero Brinkman is going to bring a motion forward in parliament about the corruption on the islands.

he doesn't say Antilles, but islands - so it might include Aruba.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Morning everyone-

I sure Hope Klaas is feeling better today... I sure miss ya!!! Get well soon!!!

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Janet, do you have the quote from Jorge Pesquera where he indicates there was a cover-up?

Something like this -

Beth: 'I asked if there was a cover-up and Mr Pesquera said' ~ "yes, yes there was".

TIA

Beth made this claim in LOVING NATALEE ... I am not sure of the page.

Janet

[MumInOhio]

tonight Hero Brinkman @ Pauw & Witteman.

one subject is the War in Afghanistan.

but Aruba / Antilles might also come up.
as the restructuring of the Antilles is not yet resolved.

today the PVV issued a press release to complain that in the upcoming talks they are not allowed to speak about corruption.
http://www.allepersberichten.nl/persbericht/5610/1/Brinkman-Geen-overleg-met-Antillen-meer/

Brinkman: “Ik beledig niemand als ik feitelijk vaststel dat Antilliaanse politici aldaar grotendeels corrupt zijn. Hun incompetentie bewijzen ze bijna wekelijks. Dat zijn feitelijkheden”.

“De Antillen gedragen zich nu als opnieuw als een gemiddelde Afrikaanse bananenrepubliek: corrupt en geen vrijheid van spreken voor mensen met een andere mening”

i still encourage to send him information about the corruption / cover-up on Aruba.
http://www.pvv.nl/index.php?option=com_facileforms&Itemid=114

end of May Hero Brinkman is going to bring a motion forward in parliament about the corruption on the islands.

he doesn't say Antilles, but islands - so it might include Aruba.

Good afternoon caesu...Thanks for the information.

I have a question and maybe you can help...Would the US have been dealing with the Aruban or the Dutch government back in 1999 when they wanted to open the Forward Operating Location on Aruba? TIA

[Dayhiker]

This uneducated poster has had to sit on paws so many times in past few days to refrain from posting any answer to our highly educated Briany.  Also suspected their name is or should be Kalpoe.

There are none so blind as those that do not wish to see.

Another proud Australian who values highly all the American friends I have made through these pages.

Morning Tibbie, and we have enjoyed getting to know you! 


Gee, as Monkeys have so aptly pointed out and more:

1- Freddie confirms the three suspects freaked out when Natalee didn't wake up.
2- Deepak admits he went home and got on his computer to create an alibi.
3- Satish asks Deepak the next day, "How is the girl?"
4- Steve Cohen says in their statements at least two of the suspects admitted having sex with Natalee.
5- Deepak tells Joran he'll get 15 years if they find the girl.
6- They all three lie about dropping her off at the Holiday Inn.
7- Deepak's friend Steve Croes makes up a false witness statement.
8- The Kalpoes refuse to turn over documents in their civil suit.

AND THE KALPOES HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT? YEAH RIGHT!

[Dayhiker]

*This just in from Diario*

*Hi XXXXXXX;

Sorry that I have not answer your call. That's because that we are not working since April 29. We have had off days April 30, May 1, May 2, May 3 was Saturday, May 4 Sunday and we begin to work today.

How is everything. Here still nothing about the case. But I think we gone write something for the end of this month when it will be the date that Natalee has disapeared.

I let you know if we gone do something.*



I'll call today regarding the full page ad...we discussed a few days ago....I think we should try to coincide it with their article...double whammy 

I'll see if we can get them to *work* with us...for the most impact....put your thinking caps on Monkeys!  They will have photos...and we must have at least one photo of Natalee...and one of ...Beth...

I will have the info we need by this afternoon....Destiny...

DESTINY, YOU ROCK GIRL!