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« Reply #960 on: May 08, 2008, 08:45:21 PM »

Not quite to page 50 yet I see.

I trust when we get to the new thread, the latest effort on the article will be posted again??

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« Reply #961 on: May 08, 2008, 08:47:06 PM »

A suggestion for Destiny's letter to the people of Aruba :  maybe a mention of TES planning to search for the Aruban guy with a comment that ALL missing persons are of concern to us, and we would help regardless of race, creed or country.

EXCELLENT POINT!! 

One of their own is missing and who's coming to search?  Americans
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« Reply #962 on: May 08, 2008, 08:47:25 PM »



off topic but satisfying and important.  cnn is announcing that the head of al qaeda in iraq has been arrested.  didn't see any details.
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OT but yes Dennis, al-Masri is a very BIG FISH.

Yahoo News1 hour, 13 minutes ago
 
BAGHDAD - Iraqi police commandos captured the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq in a raid in the northern city of Mosul, Iraqi officials said Thursday, in what could mark a significant blow to the Sunni insurgency in its last urban stronghold.

Iraqi Defense Ministry Spokesman Mohammed al-Askari said the arrest of Abu Ayyub al-Masri — also known as Abu Hamza al-Muhajir — was reported by the Iraqi commander in Mosul, where insurgents have sought to establish a foothold after being widely uprooted from Baghdad and surrounding areas last year.

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« Reply #963 on: May 08, 2008, 08:49:51 PM »

A suggestion for Destiny's letter to the people of Aruba :  maybe a mention of TES planning to search for the Aruban guy with a comment that ALL missing persons are of concern to us, and we would help regardless of race, creed or country.
Great Idea!!!! This is EXACTLY the kind of message we need to convey. I'm going to suggest one other thing, but I want to be VERY careful not to offend anyone or come off as someone who is castigating in any way....... I think we really should leave any religous overtones completely out. I just feel it is better that we convey our Christian beliefs through the tone of our message and by example rather than wearing it on sleeves in this situation. JMHO
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« Reply #964 on: May 08, 2008, 08:50:35 PM »

A suggestion for Destiny's letter to the people of Aruba :  maybe a mention of TES planning to search for the Aruban guy with a comment that ALL missing persons are of concern to us, and we would help regardless of race, creed or country.

EXCELLENT POINT!! 

One of their own is missing and who's coming to search?  Americans


I agree. This is a very good thing. I applaud Tim for doing it!
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« Reply #965 on: May 08, 2008, 08:51:07 PM »

Notice the Sunday Freeroll at the Excelsior. It says for players who have played cash games or tournaments. To all others $25. It doesnt matter if it was totally free in 2005 because they still handed out real money and it's against the law for anyone under 18 to gamble. I guess it doesn't matter anyways because they have Joran on video playing Black Jack in the Excelsior and it's part of this case The Excelsior Mob Casino most likely even had a credit line for Joran so he could gamble illegally. It's amazing how no one is held accountable for any crimes of any kind involving this case.

It appears Hero Brinkman wants to put into place a anti corruption policy in the antilles. He says 90% of the Antillen politicians are corrupt and will have to go. He called them a bunch of whining children that the Dutch Govt should not give in to.   thumleft


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« Reply #966 on: May 08, 2008, 08:53:36 PM »

Janet - Caps is not perfect, he can make mistakes but he is STILL one of the good guys.  I'm not perfect either but as I eliminate vices I might be soon, LOLOL 


Mammie, Mammie, Mammie! So good to have you back!
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« Reply #967 on: May 08, 2008, 08:56:06 PM »

I saw the FP and was kinda of amazed that some posters were so upset that TES and Tim Miller would go back to Aruba and look for someone missing other than Natalee.

Isn't that what Tim and TES does? look for those missing regardless of race, creed, nationality, and gender? Maybe I got it all screwed up and I had it backwards this entire time. Or some need to getagrip!!

I have a picture (somewhere), I believe first brought forward by caesu, that should Hirsh Ballin and maybe Rudy Croes standing at the departure area of the airport where your immigration card is last stamped and there is clearly a pic of Mr. Jose Tromp on the window to the little booth. I've been looking for it and can't seem to locate it at the present.

Personally, I glad... very glad that Tim and TES will be going back to Aruba. There are a lot of people missing and Tim may stumble on to any one of them and having some type of relationship with a local family will be terrific. It can only mean better things in the future.

I have a feeling that more people will be missing on Aruba in the future if this issue isn't addressed in a competent manor.

Kudos to Tim and TES.

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« Reply #968 on: May 08, 2008, 09:05:01 PM »

Notice the Sunday Freeroll at the Excelsior. It says for players who have played cash games or tournaments. To all others $25. It doesnt matter if it was totally free in 2005 because they still handed out real money and it's against the law for anyone under 18 to gamble. I guess it doesn't matter anyways because they have Joran on video playing Black Jack in the Excelsior and it's part of this case The Excelsior Mob Casino most likely even had a credit line for Joran so he could gamble illegally. It's amazing how no one is held accountable for any crimes of any kind involving this case.

It appears Hero Brinkman wants to put into place a anti corruption policy in the antilles. He says 90% of the Antillen politicians are corrupt and will have to go. He called them a bunch of whining children that the Dutch Govt should not give in to.   thumleft



Hell, they are most likely the ones who are paying his legal bills. Couple of possibilities here. One, if Joran gets off they don't get sued for him using their casino as a murder trap. Two, Joran, with no visible means of income, was laundering money for the casinos. Three, Paulus is into money laundering and corrupt government contracts up to his ears. Regardless, the Sloots don't have the kind of money to pay the top Mafia lawyer in the U.S. and he doesn't work for free.
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« Reply #969 on: May 08, 2008, 09:13:24 PM »



Hell, they are most likely the ones who are paying his legal bills. Couple of possibilities here. One, if Joran gets off they don't get sued for him using their casino as a murder trap. Two, Joran, with no visible means of income, was laundering money for the casinos. Three, Paulus is into money laundering and corrupt government contracts up to his ears. Regardless, the Sloots don't have the kind of money to pay the top Mafia lawyer in the U.S. and he doesn't work for free.

I think there are just too many people involved that came out of chicago,if they arent helping the ATA with the legal expenses then I suspect they are using Posner's contacts. I sure would like to know why he hired Ernie Rizzo the famous PI and if this is the guy PVDS says he hired in July/Aug 05. Mr Rizzo is deceased but who was he investigating and what did he find out? Sure was nice of Mr.Posner to hire his own PI,is he also involved with Wonder Woman,The Law firm out of Chicago and part of the enormous defense for the Van Der Sloots that has involved at least 6 law firms?
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« Reply #970 on: May 08, 2008, 09:15:07 PM »

Notice the Sunday Freeroll at the Excelsior. It says for players who have played cash games or tournaments. To all others $25. It doesnt matter if it was totally free in 2005 because they still handed out real money and it's against the law for anyone under 18 to gamble. I guess it doesn't matter anyways because they have Joran on video playing Black Jack in the Excelsior and it's part of this case The Excelsior Mob Casino most likely even had a credit line for Joran so he could gamble illegally. It's amazing how no one is held accountable for any crimes of any kind involving this case.

It appears Hero Brinkman wants to put into place a anti corruption policy in the antilles. He says 90% of the Antillen politicians are corrupt and will have to go. He called them a bunch of whining children that the Dutch Govt should not give in to.   thumleft



Hell, they are most likely the ones who are paying his legal bills. Couple of possibilities here. One, if Joran gets off they don't get sued for him using their casino as a murder trap. Two, Joran, with no visible means of income, was laundering money for the casinos. Three, Paulus is into money laundering and corrupt government contracts up to his ears. Regardless, the Sloots don't have the kind of money to pay the top Mafia lawyer in the U.S. and he doesn't work for free.

I always thought they could be sued even if Joran was let off the hook.  He should not have been allowed in there in the first place.  They let a psycho who was underage into their establishment.  Just like CnC's being responsible for letting him drink underage.  All these things factored into Natalee's disappearance.

Does that mean CnC's can't be sued also?
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« Reply #971 on: May 08, 2008, 09:24:52 PM »

Let's get to page 50 so we can lock this thread and start fresh.  Any takers 
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« Reply #972 on: May 08, 2008, 09:37:17 PM »

Notice the Sunday Freeroll at the Excelsior. It says for players who have played cash games or tournaments. To all others $25. It doesnt matter if it was totally free in 2005 because they still handed out real money and it's against the law for anyone under 18 to gamble. I guess it doesn't matter anyways because they have Joran on video playing Black Jack in the Excelsior and it's part of this case The Excelsior Mob Casino most likely even had a credit line for Joran so he could gamble illegally. It's amazing how no one is held accountable for any crimes of any kind involving this case.

It appears Hero Brinkman wants to put into place a anti corruption policy in the antilles. He says 90% of the Antillen politicians are corrupt and will have to go. He called them a bunch of whining children that the Dutch Govt should not give in to.   thumleft



Hell, they are most likely the ones who are paying his legal bills. Couple of possibilities here. One, if Joran gets off they don't get sued for him using their casino as a murder trap. Two, Joran, with no visible means of income, was laundering money for the casinos. Three, Paulus is into money laundering and corrupt government contracts up to his ears. Regardless, the Sloots don't have the kind of money to pay the top Mafia lawyer in the U.S. and he doesn't work for free.

I always thought they could be sued even if Joran was let off the hook.  He should not have been allowed in there in the first place.  They let a psycho who was underage into their establishment.  Just like CnC's being responsible for letting him drink underage.  All these things factored into Natalee's disappearance.

Does that mean CnC's can't be sued also?

San ... there is no accountability by the management of any of the establishments that allow an underage Joran on the premises to drink and gamble and ... there is no accountability for the Father of an underage Joran who took Joran to the Excelsior casino which set the cain of event into motion that would end the life of Natalee Holloway.

Despicable!!

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JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

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Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

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CARLOS 'N CHARLIES

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After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


EXCELSIOR CASINO

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Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.   He is tall.  Good-looking boy.  Like a Dutch marine."   My mouth drops wide open.  "Where is he from?" I ask her.  She replies.  "He lives in Aruba."  I stutter.  "He's ... he's not a tourist just here for the summer?"  "Non, non," she says.

It takes a few moments to absorb this information.  The supposed tourist who befriended some of Natalee's classmates and who told them he was staying at their hotel lied tothem.  He isn't a tourist.  He isn't staying here.


RADISSON CASINO

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June 13, 2005


Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".
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« Reply #973 on: May 08, 2008, 09:37:30 PM »

Let's get to page 50 so we can lock this thread and start fresh.  Any takers 

Maybe someone could post a big map or something?   
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« Reply #975 on: May 08, 2008, 09:43:32 PM »

Klaas is back! Everyone give the lady a Hug!   
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« Reply #976 on: May 08, 2008, 09:44:50 PM »

Notice the Sunday Freeroll at the Excelsior. It says for players who have played cash games or tournaments. To all others $25. It doesnt matter if it was totally free in 2005 because they still handed out real money and it's against the law for anyone under 18 to gamble. I guess it doesn't matter anyways because they have Joran on video playing Black Jack in the Excelsior and it's part of this case The Excelsior Mob Casino most likely even had a credit line for Joran so he could gamble illegally. It's amazing how no one is held accountable for any crimes of any kind involving this case.

It appears Hero Brinkman wants to put into place a anti corruption policy in the antilles. He says 90% of the Antillen politicians are corrupt and will have to go. He called them a bunch of whining children that the Dutch Govt should not give in to.   thumleft



Hell, they are most likely the ones who are paying his legal bills. Couple of possibilities here. One, if Joran gets off they don't get sued for him using their casino as a murder trap. Two, Joran, with no visible means of income, was laundering money for the casinos. Three, Paulus is into money laundering and corrupt government contracts up to his ears. Regardless, the Sloots don't have the kind of money to pay the top Mafia lawyer in the U.S. and he doesn't work for free.

I always thought they could be sued even if Joran was let off the hook.  He should not have been allowed in there in the first place.  They let a psycho who was underage into their establishment.  Just like CnC's being responsible for letting him drink underage.  All these things factored into Natalee's disappearance.

Does that mean CnC's can't be sued also?

San ... there is no accountability by the management of any of the establishments that allow an underage Joran on the premises to drink and gamble and ... there is no accountability for the Father of an underage Joran who took Joran to the Excelsior casino which set the cain of event into motion that would end the life of Natalee Holloway.

Despicable!!

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You are right Janet it is despicable.

Even if Beth tried to sue them the courts are so corrupt she would never win.
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« Reply #977 on: May 08, 2008, 09:45:53 PM »

To bring this thread to a close ...

TAMIKOSMOM'S GRAND FINALE'

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« Reply #978 on: May 08, 2008, 09:46:04 PM »

Klaas is back! Everyone give the lady a Hug!   

And almost ready to do cartwheels, LOL   

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