Does this help our Country

[mrs. red]

http://freedomfolks.blogspot.com/2006/08/illegal-alien-evades-deportation-in.html

Dear LV,
This is the story I promised you. What do you think about these kind of people that are intent on helping illegal immigrants in our Country?  Now keep in mind, I am all for legal immigration... just not the illegal stuff and we don't know who all is here.... to me that's scary!

[LouiseVargas]

Dear Mrs. Red,

Thank you for your kindness in remembering about the article. In reading it, I realized I had heard of the case. What I heard was: An illegal Mexican woman, who had borne a child in the United States - thus he was a US citizen, was holed up in a church to avoid deportation. She didn't want to be separated from her child. I did not know she was previously deported or had been convicted of Social Security fraud. I don't know the answer to Elvira Arellano's case.  If she is deported, does the son go with her?  Does she have relatives here that the boy can stay with? If so, how will she ever see him again unless he travels to Mexico?

What do you think should be done with Elvira and her son?

[Carnut]

Dear Mrs. Red,

Thank you for your kindness in remembering about the article. In reading it, I realized I had heard of the case. What I heard was: An illegal Mexican woman, who had borne a child in the United States - thus he was a US citizen, was holed up in a church to avoid deportation. She didn't want to be separated from her child. I did not know she was previously deported or had been convicted of Social Security fraud. I don't know the answer to Elvira Arellano's case.  If she is deported, does the son go with her?  Does she have relatives here that the boy can stay with? If so, how will she ever see him again unless he travels to Mexico?

What do you think should be done with Elvira and her son?

Appears to me the lady is just trying to beat the system.

Just because the son is a 'citizen' dosen't mean he 'has' to stay here.

She should be deported and she can decide if she wants to take her son with her or not.

[Tylergal]

The priest who was defending her based on his Biblical teaching should remember that Jesus admonished us to obey and render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, reminding us that this woman had created fraud and should be prosecuted, sent back to her homeland after repaying what she has stolen from "Caesar" (USA).

[mrs. red]

LV... I agree with Carnut and Tyler,  why can't she take she son with her?  I think the Preist is completely misguided and is not doing the right thing.  He probably thinks he is... but how is he truly helping anyone?  

This whole thing reminds me slightly of Elian Gonzales.  Under President Clinton we sent Elian Gonzales back to Cuba. In fact they raided the home of his family here in Miami in the middle of the night...and ripped him from his bed.  His dad KNEW he was coming to the USA... and his mom died bringing him here...   My good friend's family was friends with his Miami family's atty... the press skewed that story to unbelivable lengths... .but I digress... but if Elian - who's mom died bringing him here had to leave (Elian)... why shouldn't this woman need to take her son and come back legally if she wants to live here?

[LouiseVargas]

I confess to having an "old-timer's" moment, but I never thought of her taking the son with her.

[mrs. red]

I confess to having an "old-timer's" moment, but I never thought of her taking the son with her.

LV, it's because it has been presented that she can't....

[LouiseVargas]

Mrs. Red, I'm confused.  

You wrote above "LV... I agree with Carnut and Tyler, why can't she take she son with her?" so I thought that option was available. Now you are saying "it's because it has been presented that she can't." So she CANNOT take the boy with her?

That changes everything, including my mind. I would die before I could endure having my child ripped away from me.

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red, I'm confused.  

You wrote above "LV... I agree with Carnut and Tyler, why can't she take she son with her?" so I thought that option was available. Now you are saying "it's because it has been presented that she can't." So she CANNOT take the boy with her?

That changes everything, including my mind. I would die before I could endure having my child ripped away from me.

No what I meant LV was that the articles, etc are protraying that she can't take her son... she CAN.

[LouiseVargas]

Thanks for clueing me in, Mrs. Red, so I can write coherently.

If she can take the child with her, he will be better off leaving the country as soon as possible. All this tension with the church, police and media is not in the best interest of the child. This illegal woman in the church is not thinking about the well being of her son.  She is thinking only of herself.  

What do you think will happen? I can't remember a case where the police stormed a church. It would set a precedent.

However, there are always going to be priests who will give shelter to whoever needs it. Here in Los Angeles Cardinal Roger M. Mahony has currently said he will not turn over any illegal immigrants who come to his cathedral for asylum.  The police would rather ignore it than deal with it.

I suppose the only answer is negotiation.  This is a terrible situation.  Is the child going to be the bargaining chip?

[Carnut]

It would appear that the mother was using the child as a bargining chip from the start.