THE KALPOE'S INVOLVEMENT

[KarmaRoundUp]

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There are lots of people who give sworn statements.

I told you earlier why I think the statement does not look very reliable to me.

Look at this:
the gardener writes: I got out of bed and saw that on my watch it was 02:30. Before 03.00 I was at my work.

Was Joran’s phone call to Deepak from 02.26-02.34?
The gardener saw that is was 02.30. So Joran phoned Deepak while they were sitting in a car together? Yeah right.
The whole statement is loose sand and does not fit.
Recognizing people accidently in a flash, and coming out with this story weeks later?
Is it possible that the gardener was threatened in the first week? How?

So why couldn't joran and deepak texed,called eachother while sitting right next to eachother?They could have even had a wireless laptop in the car with them.They were all told by paulus to set up alibis using their phones,computers.Yes,I do believe the gardener witness could have been threatened,by those who know(and helped)paulus and by those who protect aruban tourism(government,ATA,AHTA etc).
 
The whole story of (Ramos) the gardener does not make any sense. Besides that, there was no reason for him not to go to the police at once.

Yes there was.The gardener was already threatened with deportation BEFORE he even went before a judge to give his sworn statement.

So the gardener saw at his watch it was 02.30.  At that time Joran was already 4 minuten on the phone with Deepak. Fifteen minutes later, 02.46, Deepak was at home to send Joran a message from his computer, while at the same time Valentijn was on the computer in the VdS’s house?

It's very possible that they dropped the weaker satish off at home to set up an alibi and instructed val to do the same for joran.

The story looks impossible to me.

The Mr. Skeeter’s tape is dubious to me while Deepak denies some things he supposed to have said in the tape. Before the tape Deepak told he did not rape Natalee and after the tape he also tells he did not rape Natalee and on top of this in the tape itself he does not mention that he raped Natalee. It is easy to leave a few words out. 

How do we know what deepak said before and after he was taped?

Here are quotes from the statement of Deepak 11-06-2005.

Satish came and picked me up from work at approximately 23:10 hours at my place of work. I had brought Satish home because he had school the following day, and also because my mother had been angry because we had stayed out late that day, and Satish hadn't gone to school. I then went to the "Radisson Hotel". When I arrived there I met up with Joran, Guido and Andre. Joran was playing in a poker tournament. I sat and watched. Joran was pretty inebriated that evening. We stayed there and played for about 2 hours after I arrived. I had arrived there at approximately 00;00 hours. At some point there was an verbal altercation between a tourist and Joran. The tourist was of the opinion that we were helping Joran. We said to Joran that it was better if we left. We then left. Guido left to take Andre home and me and Joran went to the "Wyndham" hotel. I wanted to play blackjack. When we arrived at the "Wyndham", while I was parking Joran received a telephone call on his mobile. He spoke to a person. I heard him say the name Paul. I assumed that he was talking to his father, because I know his father's name is Paul. After the conversation Joran said to me that it had been his father calling, and that he told him that there were police at their house and that it was about the girl that we had been out with the previous night. Paul also said to Joran that we should stay put and that he would come to pick us up. Joran had misunderstood that, and we drove to his house.

So,deepak states he arrived at the Radisson about 12:00 midnight.He stayed at the Radisson for about 2 hours.Then deepak and joran headed over to the Wyndham.

Here are quotes from the statement of Dos Santos 20-06-2005.

On Sunday, May 29, 2005, around 16:30, I met Joran in the Excelsior casino of the Holiday Inn hotel. The moment I met Joran, I was in the company of my father called "Montival SANTOS". Joran was in the company of father named “Paul” that is when my father and I met them in the “Excelsior Casino”. On that day we played in a "Texas Hold 'em" poker Tournament. Joran was first to be eliminated from the tournament. I no longer remember at what time Joran lost. I saw that Joran then played "blackjack" and I continued playing poker. After I was eliminated from the poker game, I went over to Joran who was still sitting at the blackjack table. I no longer remember what time I left the poker table. When I stood beside Joran, I saw that there was a group of American students there, who were on holiday in Aruba. I saw that Joran helped one of the girls play blackjack. Joran told me that he was busy helping the girl with blackjack, because according to Joran she had lost much money. After Joran helped the girl, Joran and I walked around in the Excelsior casino. I saw the group of girls who were playing blackjack with Joran walk by, and I heard the girls say he should go to Carlos & Charlies later in the evening because they would like to meet him there. Joran told them not to worry, he would go.
On Monday, May 30, 2005, around 20.00, my father and I went to the casino at the Wyndham hotel to play Texas Hold’m poker. When I arrived I met Elvis KELLY and his spouse there "Gladys" and I greeted them. When we arrived I called Joran from the mobile telephone of my father “Montival”. My father has the mobile telephone number "5xxxxxx". I asked Joran if he was on his way to the Wyndham hotel casino to play in the Texas Hold’m tournament. Joran told me he was on his way there. Around 20.30, Joran walked in to the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel. I can no longer remember how Joran was dressed when he walked into the casino. I do remember that Joran walked in by himself. I walked up to Joran and I greeted him. I saw that Joran then registered to play Texas Hold’m poker. I must say that it lasted very long before the Tournament stared. I saw that Joran played blackjack during this time. When I started the tournament I saw that Joran sat at another table to play poker. Joran did not play long because he was eliminated very early from this poker tournament. I no longer remember what time Joran was eliminated. I saw Joran walking around in the casino. I saw then that "Guido WEAVER" came into the Casa Blanca casino of the Wyndham hotel and walked up to Joran. I no longer remember what time Guido WEAVER arrived at the casino. Because Joran and Guido wanted to play a “live game”, they told me they went to Joran’s house to pick up money to gamble with. I no longer remember how Guido was dressed. I saw that Joran and Guido then went outside. When Joran and Guido left I was still in the Texas Hold'm poker Tournament. I estimate that it was approximately 30 or 40 minutes after Joran and Guido left the Casa Blanca casino that I was eliminated from the poker tournament. After I was eliminated, I called Guido and/or Joran on their mobile telephone. Guido has the mobile telephone with the number "5xxxxxx". I asked Joran and/or Guido where they were, they told me they were at the casino at the Radisson hotel and would wait for me there. I told them that I would be there later. Approximately 30 minutes after I had spoken with Joran and/or Guido, I left the casino at the Wyndham hotel and walked to the casino at the Radisson hotel. I estimate that the complete route lasted 10 minutes. I found Joran and Guido in the casino of the Radisson hotel and they were in a Texas Hold 'em poker "Live-Game". I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw  Deepak walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400, and cashed in the chips immediately. I walked to the bathroom and afterwards Joran also came into the bathroom, but we spoke of nothing in particular. Then Joran and Deepak left because they wanted to play blackjack at a casino in Oranjestad.

The statements are here:
http://www.hollowaycase.com/
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joran arrives at the Wynham at 8:30 pm.joran left the Wynham with guido,they went to the Radisson.deepak arrives at the Radisson.So now we have joran,guido,deepak and andre at the Radisson.At some point andre states that joran,deepak and guido left the Radisson.He then says that guido returned about an hour later to cash in his chips.Now here is where it gets fuzzy to me.......if joran,deepak and guido all 3 left the Radisson,why does andre state that joran kept gambling?(in red above)IF joran and deepak left with guido then guido returned after one hour....where was deepak and joran during that hour?Or did they even leave?
Briany,I don't see how you can insist that deepaks and andres statement match up exactly and even IF they did....what does that prove?

[KarmaRoundUp]

I believe quite differently regarding the Skeeters tape.  If Deepak is denying what he said on the tape then just hand over the documents in his lawsuit against Dr. Phil and let's get it on in court.  Let's get the truth out there according to the Kalpoes.  They came to use the American Justice System for a reason.  Follow through and hand over the documents.

I'll quote Deepak on this one "Enough of this BS already".  If Deepak and Satish were such Goody Two Shoes then go to court and defend yourself.
Briany wrote:

The Mr. Skeeter’s tape is dubious to me while Deepak denies some things he supposed to have said in the tape. Before the tape Deepak told he did not rape Natalee and after the tape he also tells he did not rape Natalee and on top of this in the tape itself he does not mention that he raped Natalee. It is easy to leave a few words out. 

LOL....ITA with that San.

[briany]

So why couldn't joran and deepak texed,called eachother while sitting right next to eachother?They could have even had a wireless laptop in the car with them.They were all told by paulus to set up alibis using their phones,computers.Yes,I do believe the gardener witness could have been threatened,by those who know(and helped)paulus and by those who protect aruban tourism(government,ATA,AHTA etc).

Sure, Karmaround. They brought there computers in the car, or asked the parents from the Kalpoe to cooperate.
Very logical en sensible. That must be it.

Yes there was.The gardener was already threatened with deportation BEFORE he even went before a judge to give his sworn statement.

A quote from the statement from the gardener:

This is the first time that something like this happens to me. I was on holidays. You ask me why I did not show up on the previous occasions. There are persons, who wanted to put pressure on me to make a statement.

There were persons who wanted to put pressure on him to make a statement. There were no persons who threatened him in the first weeks, because nowbody knew hat he "saw them" and besides that, he would have told so, if that was the case.
Your turn the things upside down Karmaroundup.

How do we know what deepak said before and after he was taped?

From his statements and interviews. It is also told in this forum.
Scrux writes about the Kalpoe interview very specified:
http://www.scrux.com/forum/index.php

I found Joran and Guido in the casino of the Radisson hotel and they were in a Texas Hold 'em poker "Live-Game". I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw  Deepak walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400, and cashed in the chips immediately. I walked to the bathroom and afterwards Joran also came into the bathroom, but we spoke of nothing in particular. Then Joran and Deepak left because they wanted to play blackjack at a casino in Oranjestad.

What do you think they did in one hour. Getting soms money or hiding a body.

[Tamikosmom]

15.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Thirty minutes prior to the Twitty's arriving at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's vehicle was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound.

Deepak lied about being at the Wyndham ... Radisson and ... when it is considered that lies are created to cover the truth.  What truth was Deepak attempting to hide and ... Why?

Janet

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.  Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leav.  Jug gets out and goes to the fron with the officers.  The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police as to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel. 

[briany]

15.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Thirty minutes prior to the Twitty's arriving at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's vehicle was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound.

Deepak lied about being at the Wyndham ... Radisson and ... when it is considered that lies are created to cover the truth.  What truth was Deepak attempting to hide and ... Why?

Janet

++++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.  Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leav.  Jug gets out and goes to the fron with the officers.  The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police as to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel. 

Maybe your right. Maybe he is hiding something and maybe he knows more.
Maybe he is into this. I am not sure, but you could be right.

[Tamikosmom]

THE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183

I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 4, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: We found out about three weeks later that that statement that I signed on June 10 is not my statement. We were given that statement by an Aruban attorney sometime during the month of July and finally had it translated, and it is not my original statement.

GRACE: What was left out, Beth?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: There were a lot of names that were left out, you know, just key elements as far as how Joran asked Jug and -- to leave the group before he admitted the sexual assaults that he committed against Natalee and -- and just a lot of things. You know, Paulus`s name -- I didn`t know anyone`s name. I didn`t know Charles Croes`s name, which is just ludicrous.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/04/ng.01.html


Jug Twitty
NANCY GRACE
October 3, 2005

J. TWITTY: I`ll tell you, Nancy, the thing that really upset me, and I found this out when Beth read some statements down there, is that the two uniformed officers that were there, that were standing as close as we are here, listening to him say this, they gave their statements, and they were very graphic in detail of everything that happened that night, except for one thing. Guess what they left out? The part about him saying what he did sexually to her in that car.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0510/03/ng.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

Off to the Eastern Fraser Valley to daughter's home.

HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL MOMMY MONKEYS!

Janet
3:00 PM

[KarmaRoundUp]

So why couldn't joran and deepak texed,called eachother while sitting right next to eachother?They could have even had a wireless laptop in the car with them.They were all told by paulus to set up alibis using their phones,computers.Yes,I do believe the gardener witness could have been threatened,by those who know(and helped)paulus and by those who protect aruban tourism(government,ATA,AHTA etc).

Sure, Karmaround. They brought there computers in the car, or asked the parents from the Kalpoe to cooperate.
Very logical en sensible. That must be it.

They don't have laptops on aruba?

Yes there was.The gardener was already threatened with deportation BEFORE he even went before a judge to give his sworn statement.

A quote from the statement from the gardener:

This is the first time that something like this happens to me. I was on holidays. You ask me why I did not show up on the previous occasions. There are persons, who wanted to put pressure on me to make a statement.

There were persons who wanted to put pressure on him to make a statement. There were no persons who threatened him in the first weeks, because nowbody knew hat he "saw them" and besides that, he would have told so, if that was the case.
Your turn the things upside down Karmaroundup.

LOL....omg,ok Briany.....I'll play with you.
The gardener witness DID tell others what he had seen.Maybe at the time he didn't think much of it?He said he went on holiday and by the time he came back I'm sure the once happy island was in an uproar over Natalee being missing.I highly doubt that if the gardener witness was threatened he would have went to the polis and told them lol....WHO would he tell?With most of the polis and government dirty,who could he have trusted?Who would you have trusted?BTW,don't go getting all snippy with me because you know how agressive I can get

How do we know what deepak said before and after he was taped?

From his statements and interviews. It is also told in this forum.
Scrux writes about the Kalpoe interview very specified:
http://www.scrux.com/forum/index.php

I found Joran and Guido in the casino of the Radisson hotel and they were in a Texas Hold 'em poker "Live-Game". I remained watching them gamble for a very long time. At some time I saw  Deepak walk into the casino and came up to us. At some time, I no longer remember the exact time, Guido, Joran and Deepak left the casino and I stayed behind. Approximately one hour later, Guido returned because he had silver-plate US $100 chip. I no longer remember if Guido continued to gamble but I am certain that Joran did. After Joran was done at the poker table he had won approximately US $400, and cashed in the chips immediately. I walked to the bathroom and afterwards Joran also came into the bathroom, but we spoke of nothing in particular. Then Joran and Deepak left because they wanted to play blackjack at a casino in Oranjestad.

What do you think they did in one hour. Getting soms money or hiding a body.

Yes,now that you mention it I think that's exactly what joran,deepak and paulus WERE doing that monday night.Cleaning up(and covering up)what they all did with Natalee around 2 am monday morning.They were covering up thier mess,thier guilty as all hell and there's really nothing you can do about that Briany.Doesn't matter who lied first,who lied the most,they are all guilty of the crimes they ALL committed against Natalee Holloway on aruba.That's a fact.
 

[KarmaRoundUp]

15.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Thirty minutes prior to the Twitty's arriving at the VDS' residence on the morning of May 31, 2005 ... Deepak's vehicle was observed parked inside the gate of the VDS' compound.

Deepak lied about being at the Wyndham ... Radisson and ... when it is considered that lies are created to cover the truth.  What truth was Deepak attempting to hide and ... Why?

Janet

++++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 44
Back at the Holiday Inn (following the Charles Croes meeting) we again ask management about watching the video of their blackjack tables to see what Joran looks like.  This time the hotel manger finds someone to show us the tapes.  Jug and I will view the tapes while the handlers volunteer to hit the streets to see what they can learn ...

Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fences, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just like the (MB) students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and the address.  On the piece of paper is everything we need: the name of Joran van der Sloot, his address, and the tag number.

Page 45
We haven't located any police yet, but with this solid information (the name, address, and tag number) the handlers decide to take us to the Noord police station.

Page 45
At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.  Once we arrive Mat and Ruffner, the two men from home, go around to the back to make sure no one tries to leav.  Jug gets out and goes to the fron with the officers.  The silver Honda isn't there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police as to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isn't home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament in the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel. 

Thank you Janet.That makes my point,if deepak and joran were at the casinos that night,they were there before Beth found out that deepaks fancy little car was parked right there at the van der sloots.

[Observer]

Thank you Janet.That makes my point,if deepak and joran were at the casinos that night,they were there before Beth found out that deepaks fancy little car was parked right there at the van der sloots.

That fancy little car was also parked on the side of the Bubali Police station at 8AM on May 31st when Beth went to talk to Dennis Jacobs. Hours before Deepak said he went there to give his statement.

[briany]

They don't have laptops on aruba?

Sorry Karmaroundup. It was very silly of me not to realize that the Kalpoe brothers went out and took the laptop with them. 

Also very silly that I did not trust the statement of the Gardener. It is quite obvious that he was threatened right after this. He forgot to tell that the who men were phoning eachother while the gardener was looking but who cares, maybe he only recognized the faces but did not see the phones. It could have been special phones with a little eardop. It that case the gardener could not have seen the phones. Probably it was something like that.

The statement is the most logical statement I have ever seen, since I have read it for the second     time.

And of course the cashwash of the Kalpoe brothers took place in the morning Natalee disappeared. Silly of me to doubt the late statements.
The brothers were not afraid the neighbours might notice, it is completely normal to do a carwash in the early morning.
The neighbours were probably also threatened to go to the police and that must be the reason they came too so late with the story.

Same with the mix-up with the casino's. It is 100% sure that there are no mistakes in the book.
The same for the torn statement in the policestation. Beth could read the language and could see and read this for sure.
All the witnesses are lying and if something in the statements of the Kalpoe's accidentally fits, the police-officer was in the complot.

I have to look at the other rumours again, may be they make more sense if I am willing to understand what they try to say.

About the found blood found in the car of the Kalpoe: the police was right. They send the blood to the Forensic laboratory but the Forensic laboratory was eighter too stupid to tell it was chocolate or they were in the lot too.

It is all very clear.

And Oh I forgot: Peter and Patrick are in this too, of course. The tape is faked in cooperation with Joran.
Everybody want too make money by writing books, exept of course the parents of Natalee.

[KarmaRoundUp]

Thank you Janet.That makes my point,if deepak and joran were at the casinos that night,they were there before Beth found out that deepaks fancy little car was parked right there at the van der sloots.

That fancy little car was also parked on the side of the Bubali Police station at 8AM on May 31st when Beth went to talk to Dennis Jacobs. Hours before Deepak said he went there to give his statement.

There you go.....even more lies by deepak.I believe by the 31st of May Dennis Jacobs and Jan van Straaten were in overdrive mode to cover this case up.Of couse some here will just say that deepak stopped by the police station that tuesday morning to get his plates renewed or something.

[KarmaRoundUp]

They don't have laptops on aruba?

Sorry Karmaroundup. It was very silly of me not to realize that the Kalpoe brothers went out and took the laptop with them. 

Briany,really.....they could have had one wireless laptop with them.joran has/had one(if he didn't sell it yet for drug/gambling money.I don't understand why you don't understand this.

Also very silly that I did not trust the statement of the Gardener. It is quite obvious that he was threatened right after this. He forgot to tell that the who men were phoning eachother while the gardener was looking but who cares, maybe he only recognized the faces but did not see the phones. It could have been special phones with a little eardop. It that case the gardener could not have seen the phones. Probably it was something like that.

Where did I say that just because the gardener witness DID see joran and deepak in that car(between 2:30-3:00 am) that the gardener saw everything they were doing in that car?
The gardener stated that deepaks car was kinda blocking the road and he had to drive up the side of the road a little which put him on an incline with his headlights flashing directly in the car so he DID see joran and deepak trying to hide their faces in the front seat of the car.It's not like this witness stopped his car,ran over to deepaks car and demanded they all get out while he frisks them and searches the car to see what they were doing.Why do you say you believe only in the actual statements BUT you don't believe the gardeners statement?

The statement is the most logical statement I have ever seen, since I have read it for the second     time.

And of course the cashwash of the Kalpoe brothers took place in the morning Natalee disappeared. Silly of me to doubt the late statements.
The brothers were not afraid the neighbours might notice, it is completely normal to do a carwash in the early morning.
The neighbours were probably also threatened to go to the police and that must be the reason they came too so late with the story.

Try to imagine living on an island where there is corruption and coverups and people being killed weekly all while the government is the #1 sponsor of tourism.Now try to imagime you witness weird things going on on this island....you think you may have knowledge about a crime committed but you LIVE on this tiny island(with your whole family) corrupted by those in charge of justice and laws.Would you not think twice about coming forward with info?Would you not think twice about your family,your jobs,your life knowing that IF you came forward you could endanger not only yourself but your family AND there would be no one to protect you?I know I would.

Same with the mix-up with the casino's. It is 100% sure that there are no mistakes in the book.

What mistakes exactly?

The same for the torn statement in the policestation. Beth could read the language and could see and read this for sure.

joran's name is about the same in english as it is in dutch except the in the ditch part
Do we know what laungage this torn statement was in?If it was in english then I think Dennis Jacobs left that statement out for Beth to see on purpose,to imtimidate her.

All the witnesses are lying and if something in the statements of the Kalpoe's accidentally fits, the police-officer was in the complot.

I have to look at the other rumours again, may be they make more sense if I am willing to understand what they try to say.

I'm kinda offended that you think that I believe rumors Briany.I have followed this case for dang near 3 years and rumors have nothing to do with my opinions.

About the found blood found in the car of the Kalpoe: the police was right. They send the blood to the Forensic laboratory but the Forensic laboratory was eighter too stupid to tell it was chocolate or they were in the lot too.

So you don't think the corrupted higher ups within ale could have sent a different sample from the car to forensics?Like from a different car?BTW,why is it that when they found the bloody mattress on the beach,they determined within hours that the blood was dog blood but when they found blood in deepaks car,they couldn't tell chocolate from blood and had to send samples to NL to be tested.

It is all very clear.

Naaa,not to some it isnt.

And Oh I forgot: Peter and Patrick are in this too, of course. The tape is faked in cooperation with Joran.
Everybody want too make money by writing books, exept of course the parents of Natalee.

Briany,I know you did not just dis Beth and Dave for writing books about thier beloved daughter who disappeared on aruba?????
Let me know because IF you did,this whole"the kalpoes are innocent(or not as guilty as joran)"conversation will end right now.

[briany]

Thank you Janet.That makes my point,if deepak and joran were at the casinos that night,they were there before Beth found out that deepaks fancy little car was parked right there at the van der sloots.

That fancy little car was also parked on the side of the Bubali Police station at 8AM on May 31st when Beth went to talk to Dennis Jacobs. Hours before Deepak said he went there to give his statement.

There you go.....even more lies by deepak.I believe by the 31st of May Dennis Jacobs and Jan van Straaten were in overdrive mode to cover this case up.Of couse some here will just say that deepak stopped by the police station that tuesday morning to get his plates renewed or something.

How do you know the Kalpoe's said this and how do you know it was a lie.

Karmaroundup,

I never discussed anybodies book. Everybody has the right to right a book. You are discussing all people exept the parents of Natalee. There are people around who did their very best for Natalee and her mother.
Look what you do?
Dregging everybody around.

So, only the parents of Natalee are aloud to make money out of the disappearance of their daughter?

You make me say this sorry.

And the way you try to make the Kalpoe's and the whole island suspect, gives me the feeling there might be something else going on.

[briany]

Same with the mix-up with the casino's. It is 100% sure that there are no mistakes in the book.

What mistakes exactly?

Deepak and Dos Santos BOTH claim Deepak entered in the Raddison Hotel. Later they went to the Wyndham.

And do you really think the whole maffia is interested in the disappearance of one girl?

Were are all the disappeared people? One?
Six years earlier?

Or the disappearance of the boy (which I find very strange too).

I do not see any relation with drugsmaffia sorry. The killings on the island might have something to do with the drugsmaffia. There is no reason to think this has a connection with the disappearance of Natalee.

Were do you live?

In the middle of nowhere?

[Tamikosmom]

16.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
Why was Deepak's vehicle sitting in the parking lot of the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on May 31, 2005 ... less than two hours following the disbursement of those who were present at the early morning gathering at the VDS resident and ... trip to the Holiday Inn ... less than two hours after Deepak claimed he had driven home in his own vehicle?

Deepak claims in his suspect statement of June 13, 2005 that he drove home following the disbursement of the Twitty gathering.  There was no mention of going to the Bubali police station. Yet ... Satish's words in his June 10, 2005 suspect statement declare otherwise.

Could it be that potential DNA evidence would link Joran and Natalee to Deepak's vehicle have dictated immediate impounding?  Could it be that Deepak had been driven home by Aruban police?

Declarations imply that the May 31, 2005 witness statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish were given later that day.  Joran was picked up from school by Paulus and ... Deepak and Satish's interrogations followed.

++++++++++++++

Beth Hollowy
LOVING NATALEE
Page 59

Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp.  One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back.  It's definitely his.  I spent a lot of time staring at it last night.  The tag The details.  Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myslef for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station.  And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish. 

... After almost hree house dectective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn't need me today.  He won't take our statements today.  What?  I don't understand.  Did the yung men give theirs?  We never see them, but Deepak's car is still out side.  Are they upstairs in the loft area?  Can they see me?


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
 
The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door ...
 
Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on ...
 
After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

[Tamikosmom]

They don't have laptops on aruba?

Sorry Karmaroundup. It was very silly of me not to realize that the Kalpoe brothers went out and took the laptop with them. 

Also very silly that I did not trust the statement of the Gardener. It is quite obvious that he was threatened right after this. He forgot to tell that the who men were phoning eachother while the gardener was looking but who cares, maybe he only recognized the faces but did not see the phones. It could have been special phones with a little eardop. It that case the gardener could not have seen the phones. Probably it was something like that.

The statement is the most logical statement I have ever seen, since I have read it for the second     time.

And of course the cashwash of the Kalpoe brothers took place in the morning Natalee disappeared. Silly of me to doubt the late statements.
The brothers were not afraid the neighbours might notice, it is completely normal to do a carwash in the early morning.
The neighbours were probably also threatened to go to the police and that must be the reason they came too so late with the story.

Same with the mix-up with the casino's. It is 100% sure that there are no mistakes in the book.
The same for the torn statement in the policestation. Beth could read the language and could see and read this for sure.
All the witnesses are lying and if something in the statements of the Kalpoe's accidentally fits, the police-officer was in the complot.

I have to look at the other rumours again, may be they make more sense if I am willing to understand what they try to say.

About the found blood found in the car of the Kalpoe: the police was right. They send the blood to the Forensic laboratory but the Forensic laboratory was eighter too stupid to tell it was chocolate or they were in the lot too.

It is all very clear.

And Oh I forgot: Peter and Patrick are in this too, of course. The tape is faked in cooperation with Joran.
Everybody want too make money by writing books, exept of course the parents of Natalee.

 

[briany]

16.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH
Why was Deepak's vehicle sitting in the parking lot of the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on May 31, 2005 ... less than two hours following the disbursement of those who were present at the early morning gathering at the VDS resident and ... trip to the Holiday Inn ... less than two hours after Deepak claimed he had driven home in his own vehicle?

Deepak claims in his suspect statement of June 13, 2005 that he drove home following the disbursement of the Twitty gathering.  There was no mention of going to the Bubali police station. Yet ... Satish's words in his June 10, 2005 suspect statement declare otherwise.

Could it be that potential DNA evidence would link Joran and Natalee to Deepak's vehicle have dictated immediate impounding?  Could it be that Deepak had been driven home by Aruban police?

Declarations imply that the May 31, 2005 witness statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish were given later that day.  Joran was picked up from school by Paulus and ... Deepak and Satish's interrogations followed.

++++++++++++++

Beth Hollowy
LOVING NATALEE
Page 59

Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp.  One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back.  It's definitely his.  I spent a lot of time staring at it last night.  The tag The details.  Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myslef for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station.  And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish. 

... After almost hree house dectective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn't need me today.  He won't take our statements today.  What?  I don't understand.  Did the yung men give theirs?  We never see them, but Deepak's car is still out side.  Are they upstairs in the loft area?  Can they see me?


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
 
The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door ...
 
Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on ...
 
After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

@ Tamikosmom,

These stories are in harmony with Beth's story.
On that tuesday morning, after the confrontation at the house of VanderSloot, Jug and Beth went, together with the others to the Holiday Inn. Jug and Beth stayed in Natalee's room for a short rest. (page 57).  Jug was going to sleep and Beth was waiting in the lobby, while she could not sleep anyway,  for Dennis Jacobs who was supposed to be there in a few hours.

[Tamikosmom]

16.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Why was Deepak's vehicle sitting in the parking lot of the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on May 31, 2005 ... less than two hours following the disbursement of those who were present at the early morning gathering at the VDS resident and ... trip to the Holiday Inn ... less than two hours after Deepak claimed he had driven home in his own vehicle?

Deepak claims in his suspect statement of June 13, 2005 that he drove home following the disbursement of the Twitty gathering.  There was no mention of going to the Bubali police station. Yet ... Satish's words in his June 10, 2005 suspect statement declare otherwise.

Could it be that potential DNA evidence would link Joran and Natalee to Deepak's vehicle have dictated immediate impounding?  Could it be that Deepak had been driven home by Aruban police?

Declarations imply that the May 31, 2005 witness statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish were given later that day.  Joran was picked up from school by Paulus and ... Deepak and Satish's interrogations followed.

++++++++++++++

Beth Hollowy
LOVING NATALEE
Page 59

Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp.  One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back.  It's definitely his.  I spent a lot of time staring at it last night.  The tag The details.  Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myslef for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station.  And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish. 

... After almost hree house dectective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn't need me today.  He won't take our statements today.  What?  I don't understand.  Did the yung men give theirs?  We never see them, but Deepak's car is still out side.  Are they upstairs in the loft area?  Can they see me?


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
 
The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door ...
 
Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on ...
 
After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

@ Tamikosmom,

These stories are in harmony with Beth's story.
On that tuesday morning, after the confrontation at the house of VanderSloot, Jug and Beth went, together with the others to the Holiday Inn. Jug and Beth stayed in Natalee's room for a short rest. (page 57).  Jug was going to sleep and Beth was waiting in the lobby, while she could not sleep anyway,  for Dennis Jacobs who was supposed to be there in a few hours.

Briany ... issue is Deepak's vehicle!!  It cannot be in two places at once!!

Janet

[briany]

16.  THE INVOLVEMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Why was Deepak's vehicle sitting in the parking lot of the Bubali police station at 8:00 AM on May 31, 2005 ... less than two hours following the disbursement of those who were present at the early morning gathering at the VDS resident and ... trip to the Holiday Inn ... less than two hours after Deepak claimed he had driven home in his own vehicle?

Deepak claims in his suspect statement of June 13, 2005 that he drove home following the disbursement of the Twitty gathering.  There was no mention of going to the Bubali police station. Yet ... Satish's words in his June 10, 2005 suspect statement declare otherwise.

Could it be that potential DNA evidence would link Joran and Natalee to Deepak's vehicle have dictated immediate impounding?  Could it be that Deepak had been driven home by Aruban police?

Declarations imply that the May 31, 2005 witness statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish were given later that day.  Joran was picked up from school by Paulus and ... Deepak and Satish's interrogations followed.

++++++++++++++

Beth Hollowy
LOVING NATALEE
Page 59

Jug, Jodi, and I arrive at Bubali at eight o'clock sharp.  One of the first things I notice is Deepak Kalpoe's silver-gray car parked in the back.  It's definitely his.  I spent a lot of time staring at it last night.  The tag The details.  Not sure what to make of this, I mentally prepare myslef for an encounter with Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe inside the police station.  And maybe I'll also get a look at the other guy, Satish. 

... After almost hree house dectective Jacobs comes back into the waiting area and tells me he doesn't need me today.  He won't take our statements today.  What?  I don't understand.  Did the yung men give theirs?  We never see them, but Deepak's car is still out side.  Are they upstairs in the loft area?  Can they see me?


Satish Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

How late did you wake up on Tuesday?

I had awoken at approximately 06.30 hours on Tuesday.

Was Deepak home at that time?

Deepak had just come home. I had asked Deepak where he had been. Deepak then told me he came from the police station. Deepak told me that he had to go to the police station because of the girl that had been with us on Sunday May 29th 2005.


Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 13, 2005
 
The police officers drove from the Holiday Inn to Joran's house. The police had dropped us off at Joran's house.

We then went to Joran's room because Joran's dad wanted to talk to us so we sat down on the floor, because Joran's mattresses were on the floor in his room.

It was already about 06:10 hours, and I said that it really is late and that I had to go home. I got up and walked to the door.

I said my goodbyes and drove home. I went with my car and drove home via the road leading through Paradera. At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home.

At approximately 06:45 hours, I got home. I had locked my car and walked to the front door. Before I could open the door, Satish had opened the door ...
 
Satish signaled me not to make noise because my mother was still sleeping. We walked to Satish's bedroom. When I got into his bedroom he asked me what precisely was going on ...
 
After that Satish said to me that we would talk later, but that he needed to get ready to go to school.. Then I said to him that I would be going to bed too. I walked to my bedroom and turned on my airco and my computer and I went on "msn messenger". I had then turned off the screen of my computer and the loudspeakers. I sat down on my bed, took off my shoes and fell asleep. I was very tired. And that was in the night from Monday to Tuesday.

@ Tamikosmom,

These stories are in harmony with Beth's story.
On that tuesday morning, after the confrontation at the house of VanderSloot, Jug and Beth went, together with the others to the Holiday Inn. Jug and Beth stayed in Natalee's room for a short rest. (page 57).  Jug was going to sleep and Beth was waiting in the lobby, while she could not sleep anyway,  for Dennis Jacobs who was supposed to be there in a few hours.

Briany ... issue is Deepak's vehicle!!  It cannot be in two places at once!!

Janet

I agree with you.

Deepak claims he drove home in his own car. Satish tells the same story, separated from Deepak.
Besides that, this were probably not the questions expected. Why would he lie about it?

Jug and Beth went to the police station at 08.00 AM.

It is possible that  Deepak went to the police station after he came home, but I see no reason why he would deny it was Deepaks car was on the parking place. I guess Beth was mistaken. She did not sleep at all and was very upset.

But, If Deepak drove to the police station after coming home because the police phoned, what is so suspicious regarding Deepak about this?

I do not see why this could be important. But maybe you can explain.

In Holland on FOK  the carwash was discussed. There were people claiming Deepak and Satish were washing the car at 03.00 in the morning. Deepak was on his computer at that time, but the statement was not to be taken serious anyway, because if the neighbours really heard them cleaning the car that morning, they would have gone to the police in the week the boys were arrested.
They did not. Instead they went far much later.