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« Reply #400 on: May 13, 2008, 09:08:40 AM »

The judge involved the scuffle with Sidney Ponson was Willem Jan Noordhuizen.



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http://wjnoordhuizen.spaces.live.com/recent/ 

http://wjnoordhuizen.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!1BA47E98229A979A!236/
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« Reply #401 on: May 13, 2008, 09:55:49 AM »

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Woah. His entire "meetingthaipeople.com" message board seems to be an ode to old men having sex with young (and even underage) girls!

BUT on his biography, he claims to have spent the years 1962 through 2004 in Suriname! Here's a quote:

1962- 2004: Failed really as a conscripted 1-star Officer in the Dutch Army stationed in Suriname

http://www.meetingthaipeople.com/about.html

He also claims to have handcuffed a schoolteacher to a boiler for an entire weekend as a youth:

Rumors were flying of encounters in previous, very shortly attended schools. The less serious one, being a successful attempt to curb the freedom of a Dutch language teacher by handcuffing her to a coal boiler in the school's cellar over the weekend.

And his personal ad explicitly offers cash to the under-age-26 woman willing to move in with him:

LOVE ISSUES in Thailand are different from how they are looked at in the western world.

As money is involved, I will mention it openly ... the right, intelligent, attractive female, not older than 26 years of age and single, will be paid B 7.500 per month, increasing by B 2.500 per month until B 15.000 is reached after 4 month. That will be her money and she will be free to spend it the way she wants. Our normal living expenses together will be taken care of by me.

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I find it disconcerting that he claims to have lived in Suriname from 1962 until 2004. He might actually know the Kalpoes (and all those girls from the tickle.com profiles) personally. Since he is so vocal about being a pervert, who knows what kind of interests he might have that he is actually being discreet about...
 
 


Marten does know the Kalpoes.  He, at one time had Depak on his friends list, Depak's face on an Aruban flage and captioned "king of bling."  Also he has spent some time in Aruba.  He is into martial arts and is or was keeping a book or journal on the Holloway case.  Very pro-vandersloot.  He was also on some boards at one time in Aruba during the times he says he was in Suriname, closer to the date of NH disappearance.  One Deutek. pic with Roman Polanski shown to be a woman-like person (in female clothes, at any rate) standing beside a sitting down, Polanski huggin him on the shoulders.  Yes, I would venture to say they are all well acquainted, the perps and Marten.  Marten had the pics of his room with all the worst serial killers books on a shelf (Gacy, Dahmer, the dude who killed the little girl and buried her outside his trailer before she died,) and I am thinking the Polly Klass murderer.  Can't be sure about the last one.  It has been awhile.  He also had pics of Beth, Jug and some more tv'sand computers running.  I told about the "doll house" like statues that turned out to be either very grainy photos with the Sloots looking out a window and a figure tied up with clothes like NH.  Could have been some type of wierd art.  All those people need to burn in hell.  Jackb

Hey jack b,

I have been looking for weeks for a pic of Deutekom with no luck.  Could you please post the pic you mentioned above?  TIA

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« Reply #402 on: May 13, 2008, 09:56:09 AM »

Hello TM Smile

Your right,Caps called Super Dirty Hands Deutekomthe behavioral specialist,who was involved with PVDS last year in the false identifications scam. Not Kuiperdal




Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
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Yes, that's him.  I'd still like to see proof of Kuiperdal's death; puzzles me that I can't find anything....
You sure he's not a practicing lawyer on the island?

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Firm:    C. Helen Werleman-Lejuez
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Advokatenkantoor Mr. J. Kuiperdal
Address: Rooi Koochi 46A
Phone: (297) 584-4107

Interesting that he works in the Lejuez law firm...much more so than most of you guys think at this moment. No wonder nothing came of things in Aruba concerning this case. All I can say is....hmmmmmm.
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« Reply #403 on: May 13, 2008, 10:01:22 AM »

Ponson Remains Jailed
Attorney: Alcohol-Fueled Fight Left 4 Injured, 3 in Custody



By Dave Sheinin
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Thursday, December 30, 2004; Page D05


The beachside altercation that has kept Baltimore Orioles pitcher Sidney Ponson locked up in an Aruban jail since Christmas Day grew out of an alcohol-fueled confrontation that left four people injured and three people, including Ponson, in police custody, Ponson's attorney said yesterday .

Attorney Chris Lejuez acknowledged Ponson's part in the fight, but declined an opportunity to proclaim his client's innocence of the charges of assault and fighting in a public place.

"If you are in a fight, it is very hard to be innocent," Lejuez said. "The only way to be innocent in a fight is to avoid it."

Ponson, 28, spent a fifth night in jail last night at a police station in the town of San Nicholas, and could remain there through the weekend as the public prosecutor finishes investigating Saturday's altercation. Ponson remains in police custody because Aruba's legal system has no bail option.

Although it remains unclear when Ponson will be released -- he could be transferred to a prison early next week if the prosecutor finds there is cause to keep him detained, and a judge agrees -- Lejuez said he believes Ponson will be available for spring training on time in mid-February.

"I'm very confident he will be able to get back in time for his preparations for spring training," Lejuez said. Asked about the possibility of prison time, he said, "I'm hopeful we don't get to that point."

The Orioles have remained mostly silent on Ponson's case, and majority owner Peter Angelos said yesterday that he will withhold judgment until all the facts are out.

"I would be the last person to prejudge him," said Angelos. "There was an allegation made, but it isn't fair to just automatically assume he was in the wrong. [Someone else] could have been the aggressor."

According to police reports, Ponson was confronted on the beach Saturday by a group of people who asserted he had harassed them by recklessly operating his personal watercraft. In the ensuing altercation, Ponson allegedly struck a man in the face, then fled the scene. The alleged victim, who turned out to be a local judge named W. Noordhuizen, was hospitalized, and Ponson was later taken into police custody.

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1331.html

Messages left at Noordhuizen's office were not returned yesterday, and a receptionist said he was on vacation.
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« Reply #404 on: May 13, 2008, 10:05:13 AM »

Gabe Leo left a comment on Michelle's site a long time ago saying ~

'Beth was the worst client Helen ever had' (paraphrased) and claimed that Helen was his cousin.

I don't trust those Lejuenz's at all.
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« Reply #405 on: May 13, 2008, 10:13:08 AM »

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I have a Gabe Leo question...could you tell me about his name...it does not sound like most of the Aruban names...no hyphenated names or anything.  Can you tell me what you know about that?  Also, do you know how long he was in the USA at school and when did he return to Aruba?  I have more questions...making a connection here...be patient with me.  Thanks.
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« Reply #406 on: May 13, 2008, 10:17:26 AM »

I've found a Hyacinth Yolanda Leo-Lejuez

-> it's a pdf that opens in XL also, so no link.

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« Reply #407 on: May 13, 2008, 10:22:45 AM »

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I have a Gabe Leo question...could you tell me about his name...it does not sound like most of the Aruban names...no hyphenated names or anything.  Can you tell me what you know about that?  Also, do you know how long he was in the USA at school and when did he return to Aruba?  I have more questions...making a connection here...be patient with me.  Thanks.

I just know what you know.

His grandfather was very close to Betico and part of that separate aparte status and has the Leo mall named after him. He claims that Jairo Dirksen is his cousin and Jairo is from Columbia.

I "suspect" that his house in Florida was transferred to him in a love and consideration transaction. But do not know all of the details.



I believe he was in Florida before Natalee went to Aruba and was already in school there.
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« Reply #408 on: May 13, 2008, 10:30:51 AM »

So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.
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« Reply #409 on: May 13, 2008, 10:35:38 AM »

So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY

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« Reply #410 on: May 13, 2008, 10:39:14 AM »

So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.

I can only guess he worked for UA while on summer recess. Seems the kids get out of school so much earlier these days. Some schools here are already done and some have been done for a month already. <go figger>

That property transfer indicates a sale for 100 dollars. That usually signifies a transfer from one family member to another for love and consideration. The house was sold previously for $146K in 2003, so it's worth more than a 100 dollars. LOL

What is your theory? I'm interested to learn.
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« Reply #411 on: May 13, 2008, 10:47:30 AM »

 
No matter how crazy my life gets...just have to read at RU again and I feel normal..dirty..but normal..lol Probably why Jerry Springer show is still going strong!!! LOL We love to watch the nut cases of the world!!

ok...this is just too rich!! Chuckie the Rat is "leaking" our letter to the Arubans and the Aruban media (yes that's what they call Renho! )

Yep...taking a letter written on an open forum and "L_E_A_K_I_N_G"  IT...ok that one was just too much!!! HEY Chuck!!!! It's already P-U-B-L-I-C!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!

He mentions how he hates and despises the Monkeys...Hey Chuck...where's the love?? We don't hate YOU!!! You generate some great laughs here!!! quite amusing!!! A little upsetting poor Beth had to put up with your drooling over her...she is not used to fat sweaty men I am sure...but we do find you quite amusing!!! Keep posting!!! You give me my morning laughs!!!

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Damn shame that their letter has already been leaked and published on Aruba, along with a representative sampling of the hatred and evil that is the scared monKKKeys. Sucks to be in the KKKlan.

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Charlie ~ would you please send it to "R?" I left that for you... Perhaps she'd like to do a little public service in her column...   
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« Reply #412 on: May 13, 2008, 10:55:01 AM »

I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box. 

freakin' eunuch!
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« Reply #413 on: May 13, 2008, 10:57:12 AM »

I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box. 

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 

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« Reply #414 on: May 13, 2008, 11:01:19 AM »

So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.
Lala's...I don't know if You have or need this info but here is some on Gabriel Leo
His Date of Birth is 2/25/81
and He recently renewed His Florida Drivers License on May 8,2008 (original issue date is 4/02/1999)
He is shown at the Miramar Fl address along with a Gary Leo who is 17 years old and Hyrma Raphael is listed there also....along with a Junel Citerme and Marie Marielle Basseth...
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« Reply #415 on: May 13, 2008, 11:02:26 AM »

I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box. 

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 



I'll accept that as a compliment Lis.. no harm there!!

Maybe Chuckie should team up with Jimmy Carter to re-build the Lago slums and spend his time a little more wisely. After-all that's where he was hatched like a reptile.

I could use some new reptile shoes and a new belt made from Chuck's backside. I bet we could make a purse for every grandmother here. LOL
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« Reply #416 on: May 13, 2008, 11:22:50 AM »

So when would he have worked at Universal Aviation?  Could he have been the go between as far as those that work at UA and were feeding him info?  People such as Alberto Groenveldt and Claudio Ethridege? I have worked on this theory for a while, but always came up empty when I would hit a brick wall.  So he lived in Miramar, Florida.  I thought it was another place?  Very interesting indeed. Thanks.

BTW I remember seeing a pic of Gabe and his UA friends at a party at the airport having a send off party of some type.


Good morning all....map with distances here if it helps Lala's...

http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2832203950028659610XJthTY



Good morning Mum. 

You may want to check the distance between his home and the Aruba Tourist Bureau in Ft Lauderdale. (ATA or AHATA -- I get them confused )

A lot closer 

Also --Rob where did he go to school?? Do you know?? FIU??
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« Reply #417 on: May 13, 2008, 11:24:33 AM »

Catching up…Thanks vms…saved me looking for that about Ponson. I believe Judge Smid was the one that made the ruling in both Ponson’s  and Joran’s cases to let them go. IIRC Ponson was the precedent for Joran’s release.

From yesterday…

Here is a previous post I made in Shango and an excerpt from Satish’s 6/30 PV. The info on Jaime is from the Important Documents thread…Thanks again to Sunfreak…

The link to Haleigh Uncapher’s quote is no longer available, but it is said to be from the 11th. day of the search!

Not sure if I had the right road, there is an unpaved road in the pic from first link…not sure where it leads. Sorry…map and photo challenged! (And sometimes we look at things a little differently in the “Shango’ thread –unpaved roads…gold bricks…LOL)

Strange they would ask Satish about the Natural Bridge. Is there anything significant about the date he was asked?



« Reply #2573 on: February 25, 2008, 08:29:35 AM »   
 
This was the earlier post I made on 1/11/2008...


UNCAPHER:   Well, normally, they‘ve been searching from the lighthouse to the Alta Vista, which is a church which they think that Natalee may be.    And then this area, there is just a lot of brush and just a lot of ground to cover and also little homes that we may think that, you know, people don‘t have cable or—we can‘t imagine people not knowing about this, but we are just trying to go out there just to see if, you know, people haven‘t heard about it.

CACERES,  JAIME, Alberto Carrasquilia (DOB 4-25-85) - born in Columbia, E.P.I.(Sector Economico)  reportedly one of the PIMPS. Drives a 4 door green Honda Civic, 1997 or 1998. Nickname “Beto”   The places he frequents are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. Met Joran through Freddy in 2004.  Worked at Caribbean Overseas (June 2005).  Lives in the hamlet of Alto Vista, Aruba.   Interviewed by ALE on two occasions, 6-17-05 and 8-30-05.Joran met Jaime through Freddy according to Joran’s book.


On the way to the Alto Vista Chapel there is a paved road on the left leading to a water tank on a hill. The view from there encompasses the entire north end of the island including a good panoramic view of the Palm Beach hotels, the lighthouse, and the golf course.

http://www.orrin.org/aruba/
Looks like the road to Alto vista is not paved. See picture at link above.

‘Built by Spanish missionaries in 1750, services are still conducted in this little yellow chapel that is considered to be the first church...’

Looks more gold in this pic.

http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Aruba-Pictures/Chapel-of-Alto-Vista.htm

Satish…6/30 PV

On your question if I have ever been to the "Natural Bridge", I will answer yes. I have been on the North side of Aruba but I have never swum there.

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« Reply #418 on: May 13, 2008, 11:26:23 AM »

Thanks for the info!  That helps me a lot.

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« Reply #419 on: May 13, 2008, 11:26:37 AM »

I just LOVE our archives 


A very short thread about 'marten' -- here are 2 of the interesting posts...


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1494.0


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Woah. His entire "meetingthaipeople.com" message board seems to be an ode to old men having sex with young (and even underage) girls!

BUT on his biography, he claims to have spent the years 1962 through 2004 in Suriname! Here's a quote:

1962- 2004: Failed really as a conscripted 1-star Officer in the Dutch Army stationed in Suriname

http://www.meetingthaipeople.com/about.html

He also claims to have handcuffed a schoolteacher to a boiler for an entire weekend as a youth:

Rumors were flying of encounters in previous, very shortly attended schools. The less serious one, being a successful attempt to curb the freedom of a Dutch language teacher by handcuffing her to a coal boiler in the school's cellar over the weekend.

And his personal ad explicitly offers cash to the under-age-26 woman willing to move in with him:

LOVE ISSUES in Thailand are different from how they are looked at in the western world.

As money is involved, I will mention it openly ... the right, intelligent, attractive female, not older than 26 years of age and single, will be paid B 7.500 per month, increasing by B 2.500 per month until B 15.000 is reached after 4 month. That will be her money and she will be free to spend it the way she wants. Our normal living expenses together will be taken care of by me.

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I find it disconcerting that he claims to have lived in Suriname from 1962 until 2004. He might actually know the Kalpoes (and all those girls from the tickle.com profiles) personally. Since he is so vocal about being a pervert, who knows what kind of interests he might have that he is actually being discreet about...
 
 


Marten does know the Kalpoes.  He, at one time had Depak on his friends list, Depak's face on an Aruban flage and captioned "king of bling."  Also he has spent some time in Aruba.  He is into martial arts and is or was keeping a book or journal on the Holloway case.  Very pro-vandersloot.  He was also on some boards at one time in Aruba during the times he says he was in Suriname, closer to the date of NH disappearance.  One Deutek. pic with Roman Polanski shown to be a woman-like person (in female clothes, at any rate) standing beside a sitting down, Polanski huggin him on the shoulders.  Yes, I would venture to say they are all well acquainted, the perps and Marten.  Marten had the pics of his room with all the worst serial killers books on a shelf (Gacy, Dahmer, the dude who killed the little girl and buried her outside his trailer before she died,) and I am thinking the Polly Klass murderer.  Can't be sure about the last one.  It has been awhile.  He also had pics of Beth, Jug and some more tv'sand computers running.  I told about the "doll house" like statues that turned out to be either very grainy photos with the Sloots looking out a window and a figure tied up with clothes like NH.  Could have been some type of wierd art.  All those people need to burn in hell.  Jackb

Hey jack b,

I have been looking for weeks for a pic of Deutekom with no luck.  Could you please post the pic you mentioned above?  TIA

Helen



I would love to see that too.
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