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« Reply #460 on: May 13, 2008, 02:25:32 PM »

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« Reply #461 on: May 13, 2008, 02:35:42 PM »

I wish Beth would have taken a wooden clog and kicked Chuckie right square in his tackle box. 

freakin' eunuch!

oh crap Rob...now we are going to get called the "bible toting vigilantes" again!!!
 



I'll accept that as a compliment Lis.. no harm there!!

Maybe Chuckie should team up with Jimmy Carter to re-build the Lago slums and spend his time a little more wisely. After-all that's where he was hatched like a reptile.

I could use some new reptile shoes and a new belt made from Chuck's backside. I bet we could make a purse for every grandmother here. LOL

EEEEEW!!!  This granny declines.

I would rather my purse be made out of vinyl ... plastic ... cloth ... cardboard ... ANYTHING BUT HIDE FROM CHUCK'S BACKSIDE.

Janet.
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« Reply #462 on: May 13, 2008, 02:50:11 PM »

Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html

Thanks, Rob.

From that thread:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.

What a diversion, considering that one party boy breaking their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.


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« Reply #463 on: May 13, 2008, 02:57:06 PM »

Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


maybe here
http://coffeepotghost.com/SHANGO_AND_SIMIAN.html

Thanks, Rob.

From that thread:

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking.

What a diversion, considering that one party boy breaking their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.




Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 12:09 pm
With the insurance fruad I would like to illustrate that we have seen that Americans do that when they are down here. They do all sorts of stuff. Including abusing our laws on drinking. ********************************************

What a diversion, considering that one party boy abusing their laws on gambling, drugs and drinking was the catalyst that began the downward spiral for Nat and at least 20 others.


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« Reply #464 on: May 13, 2008, 03:19:18 PM »

Hello MumInOhio  ,
Were can i find the first post of Shango & simian ?


Hello to you Johann...they posted on the FP, Scared Monkeys.com, but they are in the Shango/Simian reference threads if that is what you need. I don't have the FP links, they are spread out over different days...I am sure some-one else has them though!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0


Just catching up for a bit.

Johan555

I have many of the 'links' to S & S on the Front Page And the ones I don't have links to -- I have all the posts and dialog copied 

Let me know if you want them
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« Reply #465 on: May 13, 2008, 03:21:44 PM »

here we go... I found the correct image


Thank you, Rob.

That's the image 


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« Reply #466 on: May 13, 2008, 03:41:35 PM »

Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

Janet, you are cracking me up over here. LOL

Dayhiker, sorry I missed you. Those aren't my maps... they are Grande's. I just know where to look. The terrible humor is mine so I have to own up to that. 

Shar, you're welcome.

caesu, so Rudy is not happy??? hmm imagine that!!! he wants that corrupt POS working all things crooked for Aruba forever. Finding someone that corrupt takes time and energy. Hard to find someone like that over and over again.

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« Reply #467 on: May 13, 2008, 03:53:44 PM »

Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,

Janet, you are cracking me up over here. LOL

Dayhiker, sorry I missed you. Those aren't my maps... they are Grande's. I just know where to look. The terrible humor is mine so I have to own up to that. 

Shar, you're welcome.

caesu, so Rudy is not happy??? hmm imagine that!!! he wants that corrupt POS working all things crooked for Aruba forever. Finding someone that corrupt takes time and energy. Hard to find someone like that over and over again.

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I can dig up all the Plantation stuff too now that there could be another link.

i don't believe a word Rudy says.

even in this article it becomes clear that this incompetent Steenhuis is put forward to put pressure on Fernandes-Croes to abandon her strike and get back to work.
he said he had a phone call with David Dick, the justice minister of the Antilles.
Dick himself is embrioled in numerous scandals primarly on St. Maarten with police commissioners, public prosecutors and more officials being investigated or sentenced.

i don't get the full story here yet, but it seems to me some all kinds of ploys of the three justice ministers to embarass eachother.
they, especially Croes and Ballin, have been doing that for years - no: decades.
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« Reply #468 on: May 13, 2008, 04:21:04 PM »

Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum.  If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0
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« Reply #469 on: May 13, 2008, 04:33:44 PM »

Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum.  If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0

Can the Shango Simian posts not be posted in the S+S thread in context? I can't even get them all to open when I am in the S+S thread on the pages with their posts TIA
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« Reply #470 on: May 13, 2008, 04:38:04 PM »


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"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."



I fail to comprehend why Phil McGraw requires any backup documents from the investigation.

When McGraw implied that Deepak had raped Natalee he was relying on the the Skeeter recording as his source.  Why is Deepak's own words not the only evidence required ... Deepak's own words that can be revealed on the original hard drive which was turned over to the FBI?

Does anyone have an explanation?

Thank you.

Janet

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December 1, 2005


VAN SUSTEREN:  We are also curious what the FBI has to say about the content of this interview. I was told by Jamie Skeeters on the phone the other night that he originally "taped" this interview directly to his computer hard drive and that he gave the hard drive to the FBI. Of course this hard drive the "original" is what will tell us exactly what was said or not said ...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177286,00.html


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COSBY:  So there was nothing taken out of context, as theyre even suggesting?

TWITTY:  No, not that I could see, Rita.  But you know, I know that Jamie Skeeters will have to give the information on the tapes, but I do stand by him and his validity on the tapes, Rita.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10281941/

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HELP!! Any opinions??  I would sincerely appreciate some input.

I desperately require some insight regarding the reasons that McGraw requires documentation from the Natalee Holloway case file when Skeeter's hard drive should stand alone in revealing that Deepak defamed himself.

I have recently learned that "apparently" Dutch law .... does not allow case file documentation to be released while an investigation is still ongoing.

Considering Hans Mos claims the Natalee Holloway investigation is not closed ... maybe this is the current hold-up.

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« Reply #471 on: May 13, 2008, 04:49:48 PM »

Janet, maybe because Jamie is dead and they need collaborating info from the files?
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« Reply #472 on: May 13, 2008, 04:56:16 PM »

Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.

I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.

That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind article 45 like they saw the boogieman.
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« Reply #473 on: May 13, 2008, 05:08:59 PM »

Janet, maybe because Jamie is dead and they need collaborating info from the files?

Thank you Rob.

What will happen if Aruba has a legal position under Dutch law to disregard the American courts demand to disclose? 

I would have thought this would have been all sorted out long ago by Phil McGraw's legal team and the American court system.

When you think about it from theoretic perspective ... it makes perfect sense that documents revealed/released from an ongoing case could compromise an investigation.

I think this is the reason that the Natalee Holloway investigation will NEVER be officially closed.  Aruba will not be put in a position where documents which have the ability to reveal a corrupt investigation have to be released.

Anyways ... what the holdup is in regards to the Deepak/Satish lawsuit against Phil McGraw is very puzzling.

Hey ... I cannot comprehend why Satish is part of this lawsuit.

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« Reply #474 on: May 13, 2008, 05:11:01 PM »

Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.

I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.

That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind article 45 like they saw the boogieman.

What does Article 45 state?

Janet
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« Reply #475 on: May 13, 2008, 05:31:29 PM »

Jamie had the HD original and the Video Camera recording of the interview. There should hardly be any question as to what Deepak said.

I remember before Jamie died, and I spoke to him about 4 days before, and he told me he was still waiting for the NFI / DFI letter to confirm that everything was A OK. He told me that he had a verbal confirmation for the head of the Dutch Lab that said his HD was intact and not tampered or changed. He was waiting to get that letter that they would not be able to retract.

That is about the only area, beside the lawsuit itself, that has not been clear up yet. And maybe Deepak and Satish's attorney hiding behind article 45 like they saw the boogieman.

What does Article 45 state?

Janet

something like you stated - documents from an ongoing investigation will not be released. So, you're right.

Max DeVries' case is long over and Yvonne has never received anything. They just say that so they don't have to turn anything over ever. Open / Closed - it makes no difference. Documents never see the light of day again.

And I'm sure Paulus knew / knows that docs are never ever released. I'm sure he felt pretty confidant that there would never be a day while he was alive that his PV or Joran's PV / Witness Statement on 5-30 would ever be seen again. And he's kinda right... the parts that are missing from Paulus' PV have never turned up and I don't think anyone has any idea who might have them. They're probably in the donkey bone drawer.

As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.

I have no idea why Satish is part of the law suit either. He had no income and therefore was not economically harmed. I'm sure the Judge will visit that issue also. The defense is bound to bring it up. And this case isn't about Satish except the part where it is alleged that Deepak said they all had sex with Natalee.

Hey it's sue happy Aruba - if someone looks at you wrong - file an 800 million dollar lawsuit. Lots of thin skinned folks down there.
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« Reply #476 on: May 13, 2008, 05:40:13 PM »

Janet, I just remembered something...

The Skeeters (the remaining family) asked that Jamie be dropped from the suit, after-all he's not even here to defend himself, but the judge say no way Jose. And Jamie's suit is liable should a verdict go against Jamie.

See, Jamie's family can not even settle his estate and he's been dead since January of 07. Truly heartless. The longer this goes on the more damage could be done to Jamie's survivors.
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As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.


Thanks Rob

The fact that the there has been no ruling regarding the Kalpoe's lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... makes me very uncomfortable.

If the Kalpoes cannot legally comply with the judge's order to disclosure ... then why has the case not been dismissed until such time that Aruba officially closes the Natalee Holloway case.

If the Kalpoes will not comply with the judge's order to disclose ... then why has the case not been dismissed period?

It seems so simple yet ... the "powers that be" make it so complicated.

Janet

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KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html
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<snipped>

As for the CA Civil Suit, I have no idea why the Judge has not dismissed this case. This non-sense has been going on for about 8 months with the discovery and if they don't comply, there is nothing that can stop the defense from claiming they are at an unfair disadvantage. If the Kalpoe do not produce the docs it will be eventually dismissed.

<snipped>


Thanks Rob

The fact that the there has been no ruling regarding the Kalpoe's lawsuit against Phil McGraw ... makes me very uncomfortable.

If the Kalpoes cannot legally comply with the judge's order to disclosure ... then why has the case not been dismissed until such time that Aruba officially closes the Natalee Holloway case.

If the Kalpoes will not comply with the judge's order to disclose ... then why has the case not been dismissed period?

It seems so simple yet ... the "powers that be" everywhere make it so complicated.

Janet

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KELLY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

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« Reply #479 on: May 13, 2008, 06:05:40 PM »

Shango and Simian posts are located in the Shango forum.  If you want them in context I will be happy to send them to you.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=29.0

Can the Shango Simian posts not be posted in the S+S thread in context? I can't even get them all to open when I am in the S+S thread on the pages with their posts TIA

Several are posted in Shango 1 thread...unfortunately it would take a lot of space...you are talking about days worth of posting...I have found most people don't want to see them in context...I won't get back on that again...I have already made my feelings known about taking them out of context.
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