Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 - 5/15/08

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Destiny, I guess I worded that wrong....I wanted to read what he had written because someone in Simeon and Shango blog said he had quit writing....I wasnt looking for personal information about him.......

[Destiny]

Destiny, I guess I worded that wrong....I wanted to read what he had written because someone in Simeon and Shango blog said he had quit writing....I wasnt looking for personal information about him.......

Shango...Lala's Mom...is the *key keeper*....you must ask her....

[Bearlyhere]

Photos:  15 Unsolved FBI Mysteries

http://www.comcast.net/news/national/unsolved/slideshow/view/

[Bearlyhere]

There are no good people on Aruba?   

That's just bullshit! (and to me that's not jmo....it's a fact.)

 

[Bearlyhere]

I need to vent.

I am so tired with the people at RU lying about Tim Miller and everything else involved in this case.  They all make me sick.  I have half a mind to go over and post at RU and tell them all to "F" off.  Seriously, they are sick people.  They believe their own lies and defend the indefensible. 

Klaas, don't try to have a battle of the wits with unarmed people.

If they do make you sick, I will go unplug them myself...

 

[Bearlyhere]

I was wondering if JVDS's passport was lost on purpose.  Issue a new identity and move JVDS to a new location.  Maybe a little test marketing to see where he would not be recognized.  Maybe a new name and face.

That's funny...kinda like Frakenstein in reverse....

What are the features that make Joran recognizable in a crowd? 

What makes him stand out in a crowd?

Height?  Can't really change that, he's already tall.  No elevator shoes for Joran.

Cheek bones?  hmmm...  Brow?  Jaw bone?  Ears?

I think there are small changes that would make him less identifiable.  A small thing here or there that would make people think he just looks like Joran van der Sloot, and at the same time make them think he is not. 

"Hidden in plain sight."

Maybe we could help him out.  I'm sure we could come up with someone who would re-arrange his face for free.  Just trying to do my part...

WG, I love your angel.  Your posts are cracking me up.

[Bearlyhere]

Excellent post Sharon!

@ Sharon,

This is not about anonymous stories. There are also a lot of anonymous stories about Natalee.

It is about the official documents and not about what just everybody writes down.


If we start to believe the gossips about one person than we have to believe the gossips about the other person as well, don't you think?

How do you decide which story is true and which one is not true?

 

That's my point, briany. It is nearly impossible to decide which story is true and which is not.

But I put a higher belief in what was reported during the first few days of June than I do anything else.

And I believe Natalee's mother.

And I don't need to listen to the 'anonymous stories' about Natalee -- because I hear the truth from her family. And friends.

But then there is Anita who told us her son was a real sporter and didn't drink or do drugs    And Nadira -- who told us that 'all big people lie'. So when Nadira said her sons arrived home around 4:00 AM -- NOT 1:30 -- was she truthing or lieing?

I don't believe in the official statements. Specifically the ones taken by Dennsi Jacobs, as I believe Dennis Jacobs 'rewrote' several of them -- at least the ones that he didn't disappear.

I think the majority of the official statements were orchestrated -- to provide detailed and ambiguous lies to cover the truth.

As I said -- I am not a detective, or a law enforcer, or an author. But I am a very logical person and I make my living by analyzing and logically solving complex business problems.

And I believe in Occam's razor 

Did you know that 95% of all people who disappear, disappear at the hands of the LAST PERSON KNOWN TO BE WITH THEM??

Natalee got into Deepak's car with Joran, Deepak and Satish and was never heard from again.

I am trying to help out the newer posters that did not follow the case in the very early days. Before all the lieing began.

Before Natalee died her hair black and ran away -- before Natalee sailed away with a blue eyed Dutch boy -- before Natalee met up with her boyfriend from Alabama and slipped back to the states to have her baby and avoid her family -- before Beth became Hitler's sister -- before Natalee became pregnant with Jug's baby -- before all those stints in rehab that Natalee went thru -- before aliens came down to earth and whisked Natalee away.

Before all those lies. And all the rest of the lies.

All I want is justice for the innocent teen, Natalee Holloway.
And peace for her familiy and loved ones.

Wow!  Thanks for bringing that to my attention, *******.  How did I miss that one.  Well said, Sharon.

BH  (Standing on my roof applauding)
 

(Oh Klaas, can you send your roof guy over here when he is finished.  Thanks.   )

[Bearlyhere]

Klaas glad you are better. My daughter was in the hospital saturday through wednesday.  Scary situation! Hope you are doing well!

I am sorry to hear about your daughter, Casa.  I hope she is much stronger now.

[Bearlyhere]

Thank you to who responded to my post! HA  wanted to see who would respond. Business as usual!

Casa....sorry...I run in and out of the room...check computer....do other things.

Sorry I missed your post.....what was it about?

Destiny

Destiny, you are sweet to respond. I am used to being ignored. 

I am sorry that you feel that way, casa.  Sometimes I am laying down and other times I am up.  I usually respond if I can.  If it is a post that needs to be answered right away, I usually don't answer it as I am usually playing catch up and always think the post has been answered by then.

I sometimes get distracted by your little kitty wondering what he is doing and feel like a _voyeur.

[Bearlyhere]

Prostitution Report
from Aruba



Aruba is a Dutch island where P4P is legal if the establishment is registered with the Govt. This was my first trip to the island and I decided to explore the chica options.

Escorts From my experience, the chicas are from Colombia and Venezuela. The age of the escorts are in their 20’s. In the Aruba Today newspaper (free in hotel lobbies) there are escort services advertisements. Of the five I saw, I contacted three of them. A fourth I called did not answer the phone and I never tried the fifth, since by then I was busy with the chicas. Yap Yum. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room. If you need to get away, it’s an extra $20 US for a motel room, he picks you up and return. The manager is Gene, a really nice guy. I ended up hanging out with him many nights in San Nicolas. I also sampled all his chicas. He had a service where he will take you to San Nicolas and explore the chica bar scene with you. This was very valuable to me since this was my first trip to the island. After that experience, I spent most of my nights in San Nicolas. Exotic. An escort is $100 US for an hour in your hotel room and during the day, he has a house you can use, which is near the hotel area, at no extra charge. He will pick you up and return. The manager (owner?) is Clerance(sp?), and English is not his first language. Clerance also runs the Players Gentlemen’s Club (strip joint) in Oranjestad (I didn’t get a chance to see it). Elite. The owner is Eddie and he charges $120 US per hour in your hotel room. He has a website at www.arubaescort.com. There was also advertisement for World Best Escort Services & Massage, and Doll House. I don’t have any info on those.


Red Light District- San Nicolas This is where you will find the chica bars. It’s on the other side of the island from the hotels. It was reported that there are 31 chica bars in San Nicolas. There are usually 4 chicas per bar. Therefore, there are about 124 chicas (all from Colombia) in San Nicolas. Their rooms are next to the bars. All the chicas I talked with were in their early 20’s. You pay the bartender a room (and condom) charge and then you pay the chica. I found the usual price for the room to be $10 US and the chica $40 US per 30 minutes. I did have one chica ask for $30 US. Sometimes the amount of drinks I bought was deducted from the room charge. Of course, everything can be negotiated. It’s good to make friends with the bartender. Sometimes they are the owners of the bar. The chicas have 3 month contracts and they can only be in Aruba once a year (the escort girls’ situation seems to be different but I don’t have the details on this). Most of the chicas are light skin, but they are some dark skin available. I explored the following bars; Minchis Bar, Kiss Me Night Club, Ron & Menta Bar, China Clipper Bar, Bongo Bar, Copacabana Bar, Carolina Bar, Atoma De Mujer, Chesterfield Bar, American Bar (with restaurant attached inside), Caracas Bar, Saikong, Sto. Domingo Bar, Las Vegas Bar, Java Bar, Black & White Bar, Roxy Bar, Pleasure Zone, Sayonara Bar, Baranca Bar, and Caribbean Bar. I went looking for petite/slender chicas and found a number of them. Basically, there are a lot of different body types among the Colombianas.

General Notes. The Florin and US dollars are used everywhere. But most places will give you Florin change back. A lot of places will not take any higher than a $20 US bill. They have had problems in the past with fake currency. ATM machines are available (I used the one in my hotel lobby a lot), but be warned- do not use ATM machines in the casinos, the fees are way too high). The ATM machine in my hotel lobby (Wyndham) did not charge a fee and I got US currency. Arubans are Dutch and they speak four languages (Dutch, English, Spanish, and Papiamento). You will need a car to visit San Nicolas unless you use the bus system. The taxis are too expensive. It’s also hard to find taxis in San Nicolas late at night. Aruba is more expensive (food, hotel, airfare, etc) than the Dominican Republic. There are a lot of Americans vacationing on the island and there is a lot of timeshare property on the island. When leaving the island, you go thru Aruba customs and then U.S. customs (if you are flying to the U.S.) in the airport, so get to the airport early. You land like a domestic flight back in the U.S. (which means that you can get home faster). My typical day was watersports (sailing, snorkeling, etc.) during the day, escort in the late afternoon, and San Nicolas at night. The chicas in San Nicolas are usually stuck there all day, so they really like it when someone picks them up and takes them into town (Oranjestad) or to the beach/movies, etc. You can get some real GFE action. The bars in San Nicolas are closed on Sunday.



http://www.worldsexarchives.com/world_sex_guide/3Aruba.html

Now we know what Joran is up to.  He is writing historical features for the Aruban archives.

[Bearlyhere]

RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

[Destiny]

Good Day Cage Mates!

Hope Klaas is feeling stronger today....hope Casa'a Daughter is doing much better....hope Joran gets an impacted tooth today...ooops...did I say that?.....

Destiny

[texasmom]

Good Day Cage Mates!

Hope Klaas is feeling stronger today....hope Casa'a Daughter is doing much better....hope Joran gets an impacted tooth today...ooops...did I say that?.....

Destiny

  Good Day Destiny! 

[BIGORANGECRUSH]

BOC on a fly by! Keep the fires burning!

[texasmom]

BOC on a fly by! Keep the fires burning!

Good to see you BOC!   

[Destiny]

BOC on a fly by! Keep the fires burning!

Good to see you BOC!   

Hi BOC....got my matches handy....lighter fluid too...LOL

Tex....you got mail...

[Destiny]

RU is really a sad bunch of people.  To be that filled with hate and nastiness for a family is worse than sad.  I have not been raised that way and cannot imagine the mentality of the people who trash Natalee and her family.  When I read there I have to shake my head and laugh sometimes because of the lies they post.  They want to make people think they are so in the know but the ones who actually KNOW something know how ridiculous their lies are.  It really makes them look stupid.  Some are worse than others.  I am seriously doubting the mental stability of certain ones of them as they post things like all of Natalee's pictures are photo shopped because Beth did not want a mole or birthmark to show or the latest from this "person" is that maybe Natalee didn't graduate.  Sick or just stupid? Take your pick.

Found it.  Sorry, casa, I saw this post but didn't know you were asking a question.  Sick or stupid for RU--that is a rhetorical question.  I thought you knew that, already.

I try not to paint a whole group of people with one brush.  I am only saying I try, sometimes my human-ness gets in the way. 

Bearly....when it comes to that group...I use a commercial grade spray painter...swhoosh....

[Rob]

I see there is a Rodriguez-Romero arrested. When was Daury arrested? March - April? This is probably a totally different ring.

http://blogs.thenewstribune.com/crime/2008/05/09/u_s_attorney_operation_pink_tiger_nabs_m

U.S. Attorney: 'Operation Pink Tiger' nabs major drug dealers
Posted by Adam Lynn @ 05:27:35 pm
Friday, May 9th, 2008

Six more people were charged Friday with federal drug crimes as a result of "Operation Pink Tiger," an investigation aimed at breaking up what authorities are calling a major narcotics trafficking ring operating in South King County.

In all, 17 people from Burien to Fife have been charged with importing heroin, cocaine and methamphetamine into the Puget Sound region, according to a press release issued Friday by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Seattle.

Authorities have seized more than 18 kilograms of cocaine and $240,000 in their operation.

Here's the press release in full:

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    “OPERATION PINK TIGER” NETS SIXTEEN ARRESTS, 18+ KILOS COCAINE, AND $240,000+ CASH

    Ten Month Investigation of Cocaine, Heroin, and Methamphetamine Distribution Ring

    The King County Sheriff’s Office and the Drug Enforcement Administration concluded “Operation Pink Tiger” today with the filing of charges against six defendants for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Methamphetamine. The arrests late yesterday bring to 17 the total number of defendants charged in the case. One charged defendant remains a fugitive. The operation took it’s name from the original target of the probe who went by the nickname “Tigre,” and the fact that cocaine was wrapped in distinctive pink cellophane. The first arrests and indictments in the case occurred in late March 2008, with the arrest of ten people for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Heroin. This investigation utilized court authorized wiretaps, which were left in place even after the first round of arrests. The wiretaps lead to additional evidence which resulted in the additional arrests.

    Last night law enforcement executed seven search warrants and seized more than 16 kilos of cocaine, three guns and more than $203,000 in cash. Four cars were seized. An additional person was arrested for involvement in the drug conspiracy, but later was released when he was found to be a juvenile.

    Eight search warrants were served on March 25, 2008, which resulted in ten arrests, seizure of two kilos of cocaine and a pound of heroin. In addition law enforcement seized three guns, eight cars and $40,000 in cash.

    “This drug trafficking organization was based in Burien, Washington and had direct ties to Sinaloa, Mexico, an area directly responsible for sourcing drugs to the United States,” said Special Agent in Charge Arnold R. Moorin. “The organization was large, well established and was distributing over 30 kilograms of cocaine per month in the greater Seattle area. The Drug Enforcement Administration will continue to work with our federal, state and local partners to combat and dismantle organizations such as these, who bring their illegal activities and violence to our communities.”

    According to records filed in the case, using confidential informants and court authorized wiretaps, law enforcement was able to uncover a distribution ring for kilo quantities of cocaine and heroin centered around El Flamingo Restaurant in Burien, Washington. DOMINGO BAILON-YANEZ, 30, of Burien, was identified as the alleged leader of that distribution ring. El Flamingo Restaurant is owned by a relative of BAILON-YANEZ, and both the manager of the restaurant, RIGOBERTO SABALSA-LOZANO, 43, of SeaTac, and bartender CARLA RODRIGUEZ-ROMERO, 26, of Kent, have been charged in the case.

    These defendants are indicted and were arrested in March 2008, for Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Heroin:

    DOMINGO BAILON-YANEZ 30, Burien, Washington
    RIGOBERTO SABALSA-LOZANO, 43, SeaTac, Washington
    APOLINAR GUEVARA-TEJADA, 30, Fife, Washington

    ALBERTO ROMAN-PEREZ, 26, Federal Way, Washington
    ANTONIO SOTELO-TELLEZ, 29, Fife, Washington
    CARLA RODRIGUEZ-ROMERO, 26, Kent, Washington
    HUMBERTO CRISANTO-ARTEAGA, 29, SeaTac, Washington
    SIRINO HERNANDEZ-CORIA, 21, Burien, Washington
    JOSE ORELLANA, 38, Burien, Washington
    SAMUEL ESPINDOLA-VEJAR, 24, Burien, Washington

    These defendants have been charged with Conspiracy to Distribute Cocaine and Methamphetamine and will make their initial appearance in federal court at 2:30 today:


    JAVIER GASTELUM-INZUNZA, 29, Auburn, Washington
    ALONSO ROJO-LOPEZ, 21, Burien, Washington
    EFREN GALLEGOS-RAYMUNDO, 33, Burien, Washington
    SALVADOR HERNANDEZ-ARGUELLO, 43, Maple Valley, Washington
    OSCAR MANUEL VARGAS-FELIZ, 32, Federal Way, Washington

    GUTAVO ROJO-MELENDEZ, 18, Burien, Washington

    The charges contained in the indictment are only allegations. A person is presumed innocent unless and until he or she is proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.

    Conspiracy to distribute the amounts of drugs involved in this case is punishable by a mandatory minimum ten years to life in prison and a $4 million fine. Use of a juvenile to facilitate a drug crime can add an enhancement to the sentencing range, under federal law.

    This was an Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation, providing supplemental federal funding to the federal and state agencies involved. The case was investigated by the King County Sheriff’s Department, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and the FBI.

    The case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Sarah Vogel and Karyn Johnson.

[Destiny]

From Websleuths...Joran drinking rum and doing heroin?????

nl news

http://www.dag.nl/1073268/NIEUWS/Art...n-Thailand.htm

Joran gespot in Thailand

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06-05-2008 | Door: DAG
Van der Sloot aangeschoten wild voor Geenstijl en Telegraaf.
Het leek voor Joran van der Sloot afgelopen met de massale media-aandacht, toen het OM besloot om hem niet te vervolgen voor de moord/vermissing van de Amerikaanse Nathalee Holloway. Maar niets is minder waar. De Telegraaf en Geenstijl.nl zitten hem overal op de hielen. Nu is de 'Vieeeeeze' Arubaan op Thailand gespot.

Geenstijl wist de hand te leggen op scans van zijn paspoort, dat volstaat met internationale stempels. Eerder kopte de Telegraaf al 'Joran lacht in Thailand'. Daar geniet de voormalige verdwijningsverdachte volgens Geenstijl van Bacardi's en Thaise hoeren. Zie ook:

Het hele dossier Joran van der Sloot
Video: Parodie op videobeelden Joran
‘Joran en familie opnieuw voor de rechter’
Nederland krijgt primeur boek Van der Eem

word lingo translation:

Joran sneered in Thailand
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06-05-2008 | By: DAY
of of the ditch hit wildly for none style and telegraph.
http://www.dag.nl/web/contentViewCou...entid=73268Het seemed for Joran of of the ditch expired with the massive medium attention, then it Public Prosecution Service decided him for the assassination/vermissing of the American Nathalee not continue Holloway. But nothing is less where. The telegraph and Geenstijl.nl sit him everywhere on the heels. Now the Vieeeeeze Arubaan on Thailand have been sneered.
None style could lay the hand on scans of its passport, which is enough with international stamps. Rather the telegraph headed already Joran laughs in Thailand. There the former disappearance verdwijningsverdachte enjoys according to none style Bacardi's and Thai hoeren. See also:
The complete file Joran of of the ditch
video: Parody on video pictures Joran
`Joran and family for judge the Netherlands
gets early product book of of the Eem again
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[AZSunny]

Can you believe the 'balls' of this guy to be doing drugs in Thailand?  I hope they give him all the Herion he wants, and then lock his AZZ up for good!! How is your 'sporter' now Anita???